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Old 11-12-2008, 16:03   #61
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Fundamentalism

2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>


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Hate
1 a: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b: extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING <had a great hate of hard work>2: an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business — F. L. Paxson>

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Marginalizing
to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group


Political and Religious Fundementailism has led to hate and it has been suggested on this forum that it is OK to marginalize people who do not believe as they believe. Fundamentalism and hate is the cause of 9/11. Marginalization is precurser to many, many bad things that have happened in this world.

We need to learn how to disagree with out hate. Tollerance is what makes us a great society. Lack of tollerance is what brings a society to really bad places.
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Old 11-12-2008, 20:19   #62
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Fundamentalism

2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...fundamentalism

Hate
1 a: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b: extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING <had a great hate of hard work>2: an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business F. L. Paxson>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hate

Marginalizing
to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group


Political and Religious Fundementailism has led to hate and it has been suggested on this forum that it is OK to marginalize people who do not believe as they believe. Fundamentalism and hate is the cause of 9/11. Marginalization is precurser to many, many bad things that have happened in this world.

We need to learn how to disagree with out hate. Tollerance is what makes us a great society. Lack of tollerance is what brings a society to really bad places.
1. I disagree with your assessment, IMO you have it backwards. Liberal/socialists try to marginalize conservatives, libertarians and gun owners. They have little tolerance for us. I guess by the literal definition of fundamentalist, I'm a constitutional fundamentalist, call me a kook. I guess its not in style to interpret the constitution literally., the basis for the greatest country the world has ever seen.
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:53   #63
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To put it in more simple terms McCain is a Patriot who at least wanted to do well for this country ..Obama on the other had is NOT a patriot and MORE than likely wants the worst for this country and its silly Obamaton people...
http://nukegingrich.wordpress.com/20...stroy-america/
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEiwR2KklM
http://thelizardannex.blogspot.com/2...ical-liar.html
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:10   #64
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How's this for unity?

So I'm driving in this AM and notice a car about 5 cars back driving with their brights on (don't you love those!?). The car eventually makes it way up and passes me and I look over to read the following written in big, white, shoe polish

"Dear Haters, Your President is Black...Honk for Obama!"

I feel the love, don't you? Later on down the road I see here running about 45 on the highway (everyone running 60+) in an obvious attempt to draw attention to herself. I'm glad that this country is to the point where they can elect a ethnic (note, not black, he's of mixed decent people) President (even though I didn't vote for him), but this is "playing the race card". I don't go for that....ignorant people.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:07   #65
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1. I disagree with your assessment, IMO you have it backwards. Liberal/socialists try to marginalize conservatives, libertarians and gun owners. They have little tolerance for us. I guess by the literal definition of fundamentalist, I'm a constitutional fundamentalist, call me a kook. I guess its not in style to interpret the constitution literally., the basis for the greatest country the world has ever seen.
It's not right when anyone does it. Also, I am not saying give up your fight. Never said that. Just be aware of your own attitudes in the process. . I am simply saying that Hate, Political Fundmentalism and Marginaliziing people are not good things. You should be able to support your views wtih out going to those extreems.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:44   #66
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My reason for mentioning all this stuff is this belief. I don't think we can effectively advocate for our gun rights with out showing that we as gun owners are not pure fundementalist that hate the other side for believing how they believe. The group that appears more resonable will win in the end is my view. I want us to effectively be able to argue our case. Not just spout hate and venom as we seem to see all to much of lately on a variety of boards.
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My reason for mentioning all this stuff is this belief. I don't think we can effectively advocate for our gun rights with out showing that we as gun owners are not pure fundementalist that hate the other side for believing how they believe. The group that appears more resonable will win in the end is my view. I want us to effectively be able to argue our case. Not just spout hate and venom as we seem to see all to much of lately on a variety of boards.
There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
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There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
It's like talking to a wall.

Resonable discussion does not mean you agree or that you accept their position. It just means you are mature enough to treat them respectfully enough to properly debate the issue. Not result to hatefull, dogmatic retoric that will alienate and never help the cause.
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It just means you are mature enough to treat them respectfully enough to properly debate the issue. Not result to hatefull, dogmatic retoric that will alienate and never help the cause.
ah ..You mean like Obama's example at the end of this video clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guGz9P9m8ys
(also check 1:06)
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Sure, spend time justifying your hate. When the person who debates better then you helps take your gun rights you will still have your hate to hang on to. No politician can take the rights with out first winning the some important votes. Getting the average person (your neighbor/coworker) to understand your position is to me far more important then your HATE. If all those neighbors/coworkers see is your hate then you have very little chance of influencing them in a positive way at all.
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There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
Yup.

The Civil War, Women's Suffrage, Civil Rights movement, etc.... all completely unreasonable.

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ah ..You mean like Obama's example at the end of this video clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEhmbKazdw
I am so amazed that you have never used your middle finger to scratch your face. If you really think that he was flicking off John McCain, then I have some awesome ocean front property to sell in you in Arizona.
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Oi Vey ..No I haven't ..And I definitely have some to swamp land here to sell You
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Oi Vey No ..And I definitely have some to swamp land here to sell You
Only if the government bails me out of the Adjustable Rate mortgage I plan to use to buy it!
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If i had cameras on me all the time they would catch me scratching my balls, picking my nose and fondling both my guns at night. It would be shamefull and I would never stand a chance.
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ok Heres a better version showing Him Blatantly flipping Hillary @1:06 and 1:17
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If i had cameras on me all the time they would catch me scratching my balls, picking my nose and fondling both my guns at night. It would be shamefull and I would never stand a chance.
Dang, I thought I was the only one.
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Yup.

The Civil War, Women's Suffrage, Civil Rights movement, etc.... all completely unreasonable.
what is the etc.? I'm just curious what else you are talking about. Civil Rights movement, civil war and Women's suffrage were all righteous, considering Thomas Jefferson had "all men are created equal" written into the declaration of independance. What modern issue that needs to be "changed" have you identified that is clearly against our founding fathers intent?
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I love this country enough to NOT support Hussein's views on anything and I do not and will not.. Period!!! .
If your view of a country is only one man at the top of the executive branch of a government I respectfully say i do not agree. When i said i love this country and support it i meant the people that have lived and died to protect and create this place i call home. This is my opinion and what you say is yours, but some people worry about things that our president elect has stated that he will do but who knows if he will ever get the chance to do so. There are so many problems in this country that some thiings must be left to the side and how will we ever predict what those things will and will not be.
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wow, this thread is getting good! I am enjoying being on the sideline for once and watching other guys who are moderates shoot down some of the outlandish claims of many right-wing nut jobs. (i.e - the idiot who doesnt support our nation because the President that was overwhelmingly elected wasnt his pick...)


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What modern issue that needs to be "changed" have you identified that is clearly against our founding fathers intent?
Income tax, personal property tax, gun control, the dept. of education, the federal reserve, NAFTA...and that's without taking a breath.
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