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Old 11-10-2008, 16:40   #41
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This country rewards effort.
No. This country rewards the upper class, silver-spoon fed children of the elite. This country in no way rewards effort, either rep or dem.
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Old 11-10-2008, 16:45   #42
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Last time we had a DEM in office our country had a surplus of money.
And Whitewater, and infidelity in the white house, and many people wrongly assassinated(oh wait, non proved conspiricy theory, I will leave that one out)

I guess it just depends on where your morals are on your priority list. I know where mine are.
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Old 11-10-2008, 16:48   #43
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amazes me that BO has already stated that the door is still open to chages in his proposed tax cut plans. Flip-flopping already.
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Old 11-10-2008, 16:51   #44
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Now - however, it is time to rally behind the American President to be and support him, regardless of feelings pro or con for this man. He IS our President to be and if we become one people and support him, while holding him accountable, I think we will see positive things in this nation.
You left wingers amaze me. you bash on Bush, call all sorts of names, critisize decisions, and whatever else you can think of but now you have the audacity to say rally behind the new Dem prez cause he will make a difference. Correct me if I am wrong but behind the all might new prez there is still the DEM led House and Congress that has been screwing things up for the last 4 years. Explain where the change will come? except from our middle class pockets.
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Old 11-10-2008, 16:59   #45
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To many people said "I am voting for Obama. Not because I like him but because I don't like Bush" Amazing. He wasn't even running. 2 people in my own family stated that. I guess I just don't understand.
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Old 11-10-2008, 17:21   #46
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Blaa, Blaa, Blaaa

Like I said, I didn't mean to ruffle any feathers...

Left and right hasn't done that good of a job in.... I can't remember when! Both sides have their secrets.

I still would not live anywhere else................
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Old 11-10-2008, 17:30   #47
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One of the worst thing we have going on in America right now is the divisiveness as displayed in this thread and lack of understanding about how there can be another view besides your own. Obama did not get elected because he spouted off "Change" a bunch. To be honest, McCain lost the election because he had a poorly delivered message, lost his way during his campaign and failed to connect with the American people. He had a liar like "Joe the Plumber" as a spokesman. I mean come on, that’s just not going to work. Gun control is not the only issue in America and people failure to understand the other side of an argument just shows them to be narrow minded. Narrow minded people are not going to be able to effectively defend their own rights because they can not debate in an effective manner. We need to learn that not everyone believes like us and that does not make them stupid. Misinformed, perhaps, but not stupid. In many ways, we as gun owners are our own worst enemies because we cannot put ourselves in others shoes long enough to understand them so that we can effectively defend ourselves with out sounding angry or stupid ourselves.
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Old 11-10-2008, 17:35   #48
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One of the worst thing we have going on in America right now is the divisiveness as displayed in this thread and lack of understanding about how there can be another view besides your own. Obama did not get elected because he spouted off "Change" a bunch. To be honest, McCain lost the election because he had a poorly delivered message, lost his way during his campaign and failed to connect with the American people. He had a liar like "Joe the Plumber" as a spokesman. I mean come on, that’s just not going to work. Gun control is not the only issue in America and people failure to understand the other side of an argument just shows them to be narrow minded. Narrow minded people are not going to be able to effectively defend their own rights because they can not debate in an effective manner. We need to learn that not everyone believes like us and that does not make them stupid. Misinformed, perhaps, but not stupid. In many ways, we as gun owners are our own worst enemies because we cannot put ourselves in others shoes long enough to understand them so that we can effectively defend ourselves with out sounding angry or stupid ourselves.

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Old 11-10-2008, 21:34   #49
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[QUOTE=spdski;11627417] This is likely the smartest post I have read on GT since the election.

If so, you really need to get around a bit more in GT...

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Old 11-11-2008, 17:05   #50
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The only thing I can think of at this moment, besides trying to overcome the urge to throw everything I pick up is the disdain that I hold for Hussein Obama and all of the morons that voted for him. If you even begin to think that he is what this country needs, and I'm not just talking about 2nd Ammendment Rights, then you are as big an idiot as he is. I don't like him, or anything he stands for and I could really give a rat's ass what happens to him. I would, however, ask that you show those of us who still love this country to wear a black armband when in public so I will know , in the event the SHTF, not to raise my weapon to defend your sorry asses.. Want to know how I really feel about that piece of garbage?
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Old 11-11-2008, 18:21   #51
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I have decided that on December 31, 2008 to take the stars and strips down. My bare flag pole will be a symbolic reminder how the dumbing down of America has caught up with us and how too many people took their freedom for granted.
However, I still would like to know if that newly registered voter residing in the park at BENCH # 8 has seen much of a "change".
My last question when the president elect laid the wraith at Arlington National Cemetery did he step back and salute?
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Old 11-11-2008, 20:12   #52
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Why would he? He wouldn't even wear a flag lapel pin because it might offend those who would see our country brought to it's knees. There's no question what his colors are and to whom his loyalty goes. He's a real piece of work..
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Old 11-11-2008, 22:35   #53
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I remember when I heard someone say that Bush is not their president, the right responded by saying "If you don't like this country, you can leave."

Well. To all of you who want say it about Obama, feel free to leave. Otherwise, suck it up, and act like you live in a democracy because you do. Next time volunteer for the candidate you want, call your congressman when you have an opinion, f-ing DO SOMETHING.

This country rewards effort.

P.S. Calling someone a piece of crap is vile rhetoric.
I couldn't of said it better myself. After McCain lost he stated that he serves this country and it's leaders including the president. I voted for McCain, but no matter how i feel about Obama's views i still love this country and will support my country.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:08   #54
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I voted for McCain, but no matter how i feel about Obama's views i still love this country and will support my country.
I love this country enough to NOT support Hussein's views on anything and I do not and will not.. Period!!! None of them!!! It's hard to believe that anyone who was ever willing to serve their country and give our lives, as some of us did, to protect the freedoms and rights that we enjoy would even think about supporting a socialist that is hell bent on eroding our freedoms and confiscating the assets we have worked hard for so they can be distributed to a bunch of government sucking parasites who never bothered to take enough initiative to make themselves worth more than a $8/hr job at Taco Bell.
Support, praise, tolerate him, whatever you want to do. Think about that when you are sitting and watching the mailbox for your government handout and looking back on $4 gas as the "good ole days". If Hussein and his Communist chronies are allowed to run amok for the next for years, it's going to take this country a generation to recover, if it ever does.. Good Luck, America. You're going to need it, and thank God that I don't have a child that's going to have to grow up in what our country is about to become.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:11   #55
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The election is OVER. All of the sour grapes in the world won't change that. Let's get on with the hard work of supporting the changes we want and fighting the changes that we don't work.
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I have decided that on December 31, 2008 to take the stars and strips down. My bare flag pole will be a symbolic reminder how the dumbing down of America has caught up with us and how too many people took their freedom for granted.
However, I still would like to know if that newly registered voter residing in the park at BENCH # 8 has seen much of a "change".
My last question when the president elect laid the wraith at Arlington National Cemetery did he step back and salute?
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The past 8 yrs went from a surplus to a great big deficient and unemployment is once again at a all time high.
Unemployment all time high was during the depression when it was 25% ... We're nowhere close to that.
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We throw words like "Socialist" around and pin them to who we don't like. But we give Republicans and those who support our gun cause (not all republicans of course) a free pass when they do the same thing. The reality is we could hurl these things at anyone we wanted in government. ANYONE. It does not prove your cause or make your view valid. It's a hollow argument because all for them all guilty of the same thing to one degree or another. The reality is the world is Grey. There is very little black and white in our world. Other then killing, extremism (religious, political, they are all bad). Fundamentalism is one of the worst things this World is battling right now. We need to be cautious that we as Americans are not just as extreme as the rest of the world. I lived in between America and Europe till I was 16 (not military, born in Texas). I am constantly surprised at the lack of acceptance or even comfort in discussing opposing views. It seems over the last 20 + years we have become even more polarized as a nation. It’s like we all walk around and say in our minds “If you don’t believe like me I HATE YOU. Then we begin marginalizing people. It’s dangerous. Look what it has done to other nations. Iran for instance was a Persian country taken over by extremist that used HATE as their energy. I have seen what this same process has brought to Europe over the last 20 years. Iran with out the fundamentalism and the hate would be a very different place then it is today.
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We throw words like "Socialist" around and pin them to who we don't like. But we give Republicans and those who support our gun cause (not all republicans of course) a free pass when they do the same thing. The reality is we could hurl these things at anyone we wanted in government. ANYONE.
Anyone? How bout Ron Paul or Bob Barr? You don't know what you are talking about, many of us have called John McCain a quasi-socialist also, Mr. "I can fixsshhh the mortgage crisis", he just happened to be the lesser of two evils. The republican party leadership has lost its way and become socialist (this is why the republicans have gotten their clocks cleaned 2 elections in a row, people are hungry for true libertarian/conservative philosophy), its destruction & subsequent period of being rebuilt was inevitable, but of course, it is painful when it happens.

To say that I dislike socialists is an understatement, and you think that makes me a bad guy, please. The problem with socialism is that it imposes its will on everyone, where libertarian/conservative philosophy does not impose its will on you, it supports freedom and liberty, which is exactly what separates us from the rest of the world, it is why there is American exceptionalism. Freedom and liberty allow people to become who they were destined to be, it also allows people to see what they are made of. We've all faced adversity at one point or another. Socialism seeks to do away with your adversity in a broad sword kinda way, and when this happens, you are robbed of your ambition, which is what drives you to push yourself and become a net positive for society, and it also happens to be the path to making a happy life for yourself. So your absolutely right, I have a serious problem when you have a president who does not like the constitution, actively admits he wants to appoint judges who will ignore it, and he would like to mae a "new constitution" (ie, garanteed healthcare, housing, etc., listen to his 2001 NPR interview if you don't believe me, you can hear it in Barry's own words), in which those who are driven pay/work for those who do not wish to be a net positive for society.

I make no apologizes for my beliefs. This isn't about going one way or the other, as if it is a grey area of what is good. This is about right and wrong. Freedom and liberty are right, and a big government imposing its will on you is out right wrong.
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Anyone? How bout Ron Paul or Bob Barr?
I was talking about real politicians. Not people who have zero chance of getting elected.

And I never said you not liking socialism makes you anything. Thats kind of my point to not do those things.
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