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Old 11-11-2008, 17:21   #51
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I have decided that on December 31, 2008 to take the stars and strips down. My bare flag pole will be a symbolic reminder how the dumbing down of America has caught up with us and how too many people took their freedom for granted.
However, I still would like to know if that newly registered voter residing in the park at BENCH # 8 has seen much of a "change".
My last question when the president elect laid the wraith at Arlington National Cemetery did he step back and salute?
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Old 11-11-2008, 19:12   #52
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Why would he? He wouldn't even wear a flag lapel pin because it might offend those who would see our country brought to it's knees. There's no question what his colors are and to whom his loyalty goes. He's a real piece of work..
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Old 11-11-2008, 21:35   #53
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I remember when I heard someone say that Bush is not their president, the right responded by saying "If you don't like this country, you can leave."

Well. To all of you who want say it about Obama, feel free to leave. Otherwise, suck it up, and act like you live in a democracy because you do. Next time volunteer for the candidate you want, call your congressman when you have an opinion, f-ing DO SOMETHING.

This country rewards effort.

P.S. Calling someone a piece of crap is vile rhetoric.
I couldn't of said it better myself. After McCain lost he stated that he serves this country and it's leaders including the president. I voted for McCain, but no matter how i feel about Obama's views i still love this country and will support my country.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:08   #54
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I voted for McCain, but no matter how i feel about Obama's views i still love this country and will support my country.
I love this country enough to NOT support Hussein's views on anything and I do not and will not.. Period!!! None of them!!! It's hard to believe that anyone who was ever willing to serve their country and give our lives, as some of us did, to protect the freedoms and rights that we enjoy would even think about supporting a socialist that is hell bent on eroding our freedoms and confiscating the assets we have worked hard for so they can be distributed to a bunch of government sucking parasites who never bothered to take enough initiative to make themselves worth more than a $8/hr job at Taco Bell.
Support, praise, tolerate him, whatever you want to do. Think about that when you are sitting and watching the mailbox for your government handout and looking back on $4 gas as the "good ole days". If Hussein and his Communist chronies are allowed to run amok for the next for years, it's going to take this country a generation to recover, if it ever does.. Good Luck, America. You're going to need it, and thank God that I don't have a child that's going to have to grow up in what our country is about to become.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:11   #55
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The election is OVER. All of the sour grapes in the world won't change that. Let's get on with the hard work of supporting the changes we want and fighting the changes that we don't work.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:41   #56
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I have decided that on December 31, 2008 to take the stars and strips down. My bare flag pole will be a symbolic reminder how the dumbing down of America has caught up with us and how too many people took their freedom for granted.
However, I still would like to know if that newly registered voter residing in the park at BENCH # 8 has seen much of a "change".
My last question when the president elect laid the wraith at Arlington National Cemetery did he step back and salute?
Hang it upside down. That means distress.
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The past 8 yrs went from a surplus to a great big deficient and unemployment is once again at a all time high.
Unemployment all time high was during the depression when it was 25% ... We're nowhere close to that.
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We throw words like "Socialist" around and pin them to who we don't like. But we give Republicans and those who support our gun cause (not all republicans of course) a free pass when they do the same thing. The reality is we could hurl these things at anyone we wanted in government. ANYONE. It does not prove your cause or make your view valid. It's a hollow argument because all for them all guilty of the same thing to one degree or another. The reality is the world is Grey. There is very little black and white in our world. Other then killing, extremism (religious, political, they are all bad). Fundamentalism is one of the worst things this World is battling right now. We need to be cautious that we as Americans are not just as extreme as the rest of the world. I lived in between America and Europe till I was 16 (not military, born in Texas). I am constantly surprised at the lack of acceptance or even comfort in discussing opposing views. It seems over the last 20 + years we have become even more polarized as a nation. It’s like we all walk around and say in our minds “If you don’t believe like me I HATE YOU. Then we begin marginalizing people. It’s dangerous. Look what it has done to other nations. Iran for instance was a Persian country taken over by extremist that used HATE as their energy. I have seen what this same process has brought to Europe over the last 20 years. Iran with out the fundamentalism and the hate would be a very different place then it is today.
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Old 11-12-2008, 13:44   #59
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We throw words like "Socialist" around and pin them to who we don't like. But we give Republicans and those who support our gun cause (not all republicans of course) a free pass when they do the same thing. The reality is we could hurl these things at anyone we wanted in government. ANYONE.
Anyone? How bout Ron Paul or Bob Barr? You don't know what you are talking about, many of us have called John McCain a quasi-socialist also, Mr. "I can fixsshhh the mortgage crisis", he just happened to be the lesser of two evils. The republican party leadership has lost its way and become socialist (this is why the republicans have gotten their clocks cleaned 2 elections in a row, people are hungry for true libertarian/conservative philosophy), its destruction & subsequent period of being rebuilt was inevitable, but of course, it is painful when it happens.

To say that I dislike socialists is an understatement, and you think that makes me a bad guy, please. The problem with socialism is that it imposes its will on everyone, where libertarian/conservative philosophy does not impose its will on you, it supports freedom and liberty, which is exactly what separates us from the rest of the world, it is why there is American exceptionalism. Freedom and liberty allow people to become who they were destined to be, it also allows people to see what they are made of. We've all faced adversity at one point or another. Socialism seeks to do away with your adversity in a broad sword kinda way, and when this happens, you are robbed of your ambition, which is what drives you to push yourself and become a net positive for society, and it also happens to be the path to making a happy life for yourself. So your absolutely right, I have a serious problem when you have a president who does not like the constitution, actively admits he wants to appoint judges who will ignore it, and he would like to mae a "new constitution" (ie, garanteed healthcare, housing, etc., listen to his 2001 NPR interview if you don't believe me, you can hear it in Barry's own words), in which those who are driven pay/work for those who do not wish to be a net positive for society.

I make no apologizes for my beliefs. This isn't about going one way or the other, as if it is a grey area of what is good. This is about right and wrong. Freedom and liberty are right, and a big government imposing its will on you is out right wrong.
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Anyone? How bout Ron Paul or Bob Barr?
I was talking about real politicians. Not people who have zero chance of getting elected.

And I never said you not liking socialism makes you anything. Thats kind of my point to not do those things.
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Fundamentalism

2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...fundamentalism

Hate
1 a: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b: extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING <had a great hate of hard work>2: an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business — F. L. Paxson>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hate

Marginalizing
to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group


Political and Religious Fundementailism has led to hate and it has been suggested on this forum that it is OK to marginalize people who do not believe as they believe. Fundamentalism and hate is the cause of 9/11. Marginalization is precurser to many, many bad things that have happened in this world.

We need to learn how to disagree with out hate. Tollerance is what makes us a great society. Lack of tollerance is what brings a society to really bad places.
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Fundamentalism

2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>


http://www.merriam-webster.com/dicti...fundamentalism

Hate
1 a: intense hostility and aversion usually deriving from fear, anger, or sense of injury b: extreme dislike or antipathy : LOATHING <had a great hate of hard work>2: an object of hatred <a generation whose finest hate had been big business F. L. Paxson>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hate

Marginalizing
to relegate to an unimportant or powerless position within a society or group


Political and Religious Fundementailism has led to hate and it has been suggested on this forum that it is OK to marginalize people who do not believe as they believe. Fundamentalism and hate is the cause of 9/11. Marginalization is precurser to many, many bad things that have happened in this world.

We need to learn how to disagree with out hate. Tollerance is what makes us a great society. Lack of tollerance is what brings a society to really bad places.
1. I disagree with your assessment, IMO you have it backwards. Liberal/socialists try to marginalize conservatives, libertarians and gun owners. They have little tolerance for us. I guess by the literal definition of fundamentalist, I'm a constitutional fundamentalist, call me a kook. I guess its not in style to interpret the constitution literally., the basis for the greatest country the world has ever seen.
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To put it in more simple terms McCain is a Patriot who at least wanted to do well for this country ..Obama on the other had is NOT a patriot and MORE than likely wants the worst for this country and its silly Obamaton people...
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How's this for unity?

So I'm driving in this AM and notice a car about 5 cars back driving with their brights on (don't you love those!?). The car eventually makes it way up and passes me and I look over to read the following written in big, white, shoe polish

"Dear Haters, Your President is Black...Honk for Obama!"

I feel the love, don't you? Later on down the road I see here running about 45 on the highway (everyone running 60+) in an obvious attempt to draw attention to herself. I'm glad that this country is to the point where they can elect a ethnic (note, not black, he's of mixed decent people) President (even though I didn't vote for him), but this is "playing the race card". I don't go for that....ignorant people.
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1. I disagree with your assessment, IMO you have it backwards. Liberal/socialists try to marginalize conservatives, libertarians and gun owners. They have little tolerance for us. I guess by the literal definition of fundamentalist, I'm a constitutional fundamentalist, call me a kook. I guess its not in style to interpret the constitution literally., the basis for the greatest country the world has ever seen.
It's not right when anyone does it. Also, I am not saying give up your fight. Never said that. Just be aware of your own attitudes in the process. . I am simply saying that Hate, Political Fundmentalism and Marginaliziing people are not good things. You should be able to support your views wtih out going to those extreems.
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My reason for mentioning all this stuff is this belief. I don't think we can effectively advocate for our gun rights with out showing that we as gun owners are not pure fundementalist that hate the other side for believing how they believe. The group that appears more resonable will win in the end is my view. I want us to effectively be able to argue our case. Not just spout hate and venom as we seem to see all to much of lately on a variety of boards.
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My reason for mentioning all this stuff is this belief. I don't think we can effectively advocate for our gun rights with out showing that we as gun owners are not pure fundementalist that hate the other side for believing how they believe. The group that appears more resonable will win in the end is my view. I want us to effectively be able to argue our case. Not just spout hate and venom as we seem to see all to much of lately on a variety of boards.
There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
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There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
It's like talking to a wall.

Resonable discussion does not mean you agree or that you accept their position. It just means you are mature enough to treat them respectfully enough to properly debate the issue. Not result to hatefull, dogmatic retoric that will alienate and never help the cause.
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It just means you are mature enough to treat them respectfully enough to properly debate the issue. Not result to hatefull, dogmatic retoric that will alienate and never help the cause.
ah ..You mean like Obama's example at the end of this video clip...
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Sure, spend time justifying your hate. When the person who debates better then you helps take your gun rights you will still have your hate to hang on to. No politician can take the rights with out first winning the some important votes. Getting the average person (your neighbor/coworker) to understand your position is to me far more important then your HATE. If all those neighbors/coworkers see is your hate then you have very little chance of influencing them in a positive way at all.
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There is nothing reasonable about wanting to "fundamentally change" the country/constitution and ignoring the constitution of the United States of America.
Yup.

The Civil War, Women's Suffrage, Civil Rights movement, etc.... all completely unreasonable.

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ah ..You mean like Obama's example at the end of this video clip...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEhmbKazdw
I am so amazed that you have never used your middle finger to scratch your face. If you really think that he was flicking off John McCain, then I have some awesome ocean front property to sell in you in Arizona.
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Oi Vey ..No I haven't ..And I definitely have some to swamp land here to sell You
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Only if the government bails me out of the Adjustable Rate mortgage I plan to use to buy it!
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If i had cameras on me all the time they would catch me scratching my balls, picking my nose and fondling both my guns at night. It would be shamefull and I would never stand a chance.
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ok Heres a better version showing Him Blatantly flipping Hillary @1:06 and 1:17
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