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Old 07-22-2010, 19:18   #1081
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Just got mine; transferred as Caliber: n/a; shot: n/a; type: frame; barrel length: N/A; Model: Timber Wolf. This is on the pistol sales record for my state, though - not sure what went on the 4473. The sheriff's offce (I am required to provide them with two copies of the record) said "I need this info (the n/a stuff)" - I told her "it's just a frame - there is no information available other than that" she said "well, I'll just have you call them if they need to." Fine by me.

Installation of the mag catch spring and mag release button went smoothly.
Installation of the locking block was tight, but fine (once I figured out that my G19 parts were not proper).
The take-down lever spring also came out of the G19 until I realized I needed the one out my G17.
The dis- and re-assembly of the ejector and trigger housing was simple.
For the first time ever, I improperly installed the trigger housing spring. That was weird.

Initial impressions:
- checkering is nice - gives good purchase without digging into my hand.
- finger grooves are comfortably spaced and properly sized - not too deep, not too shallow.
- the beaver-tail is good, too - doesn't feel unexpected, doesn't change and characteristic of the gun noticeably re: feel or sight picture (no distraction)
- the rail is nice - works with my bayonet (pics later), haven't tried the light yet
- once I got everything properly asembled to the frame, the slide went on as expected, cycled well (empty)
- the location and angles on the outside of the trigger guard are outstanding work
- the grip angle doesn't really feel different to me, but I can tell my sight picture is more comfortably accessible...if that makes sense; it feels just right - very natural

- my mags won't drop free even when loaded; I have too many to replace, and use them all all the time (haven't tried 33-rounders yet), but insertion is not cumbersome
- the beveled mag well is a nice touch, but I REALLY wish I could get my Dawson ICE magwell and heavy brass plug weight onto this gun - then it would be my go-to race gun; as it is, it is better in some ways, but not all, to my current setup. The weight distribution with the ICE Magwell and brass plug in place on the stock Glock frame is super important to me. Perhaps I can get a brass backstrap made that will fit my hand just right and add the weight that I want...
- I like the ICE magwell because of its size and shape - it makes a nice base for my hands while shooting; I will miss it on this frame
- the TW frame feels very nice in my hand - seems wider than the standard G frame
- I put my hogue grip on it - not a perfect fit, but gets it closer to the size I am looking for - I'd like a grip about the size of a 12-oz aluminum can
- my locking block was tight - not so tight that I worried about twisting it in there (twice - once with the G19 l.b., then again with the G17 l.b. when I immediately realized the holes for the pins didn't match)


I plan to shoot Friday (maybe) and Monday (for certain); will be shooting Blazer Brass and WWB-115 gr.

Guys at the FFL shop were pretty interested; one of them mentioned LWD's frame grip as far superior, let me check out his on his hip gun. Also said, regarding the TW frame: "I've been here 8 years, and I've never seen one of those." I explained the deal. There was some confusion regarding all the forms and what to put where, but they handled it professionally and double-checked everything with the person who seemed to be the guy in charge. Despite what my sales record says, I do remember something about "multi" for caliber and "other" for a couple other spots.
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Old 07-22-2010, 19:55   #1082
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I took my Timberwolf 17 out today. Ran 200 rds through it using my standard workout drills. No problems. I will run another 600 in 9mm this weekend for my main evaluation and finish off with 300 to 400 in G22 configuration .

I look forward to running some drills using a timer. I'll run identical drills using my G17 frame and the Timberwolf frame utilizing both back straps. I like the feel of the curved insert but I'll let the performance dictate which strap I use in the end. I want to see if this frame reduces my splits with multiple shots and mag changes. Will also check draw time.
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Old 07-23-2010, 00:38   #1083
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Got mine together. I didn't realize the Magazine Catch Spring was a "custom fit" part. Mine is probably too short now. It works, but it feels very weak, and it drops the mag waaay too easily. Is there a way to stiffen it?

Locking block was snug, but it fit without having to shave anything. The trigger housing pin will have to be shortened, if not I think it will dig in your hand when firing.

Fits in my Sidearmor holster without issue.

PS: I have the arched backstrap mounted; I'm thinking of trying both & see if accuracy changes at all.
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Old 07-23-2010, 03:08   #1084
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Got my Timberwolf frame today. While putting it together I did notice it some parts were a tight fit like other people have said. Specifically the locking block, the trigger housing pin and the locking block pin. Aside from that it went all together.

Right now it's going to be a Glock 34 configuration and it's going to have the larger palm swell back strap.

Here are some pictures apologies for the quality. Videos to come soon.

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Old 07-23-2010, 12:06   #1085
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Just picked mine up PROTO265

As other have mentioned, pins were tight, locking block not too tight, and the trigger housing pins could stand to be trimmed down just a tad.

Empty mags drop fine, some of my loaded mags are snug and have to be pulled out and others drop fine.

Will add a few pics here in a minute.

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Old 07-23-2010, 13:08   #1086
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Just picked up PROTO294. It feels great with the curved backstrap. I'm looking forward to assembling it.
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Old 07-23-2010, 14:45   #1087
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I am happy to see the frames are finally being delivered. When you picked up your frame you should have also received a note directing you to a web site that will have all the questions we are hoping you will answer regarding the frame performance. The questions are not on the web yet. I thought I would post them here first. If you get a moment please look them over and if you think of an additional question that should be asked please email it to me. I will be sure to add it ! Thanks in advance for all your help!



Overall appearance of frame
Overall grip texture comfortable front, back, side
Any discomfort (chafing) regarding the texture?
Spacing in finger grips comfortable
Beavertail comfortable? Too long, short, just right?
Was the mag catch comfortable? Reliable?

Does the color appear to be black
If not, how would you describe the color
What colors would you like to see offered?

Were the grips easy to install? Remove?
Describe the flat grip feel (similar to 1911?)
Describe the swelled grip feel (similar to XD?)
Which grip is your favorite flat or swelled
Do you consider your hands to be large, medium, small
Any issues with the grip accidently unlocking?

Did you use your Glock receiver parts to build the Timber Wolf frame?
Any issues installing the factory parts?
Did you use any aftermarket parts to build the TimberWolf frame?
Any issues installing the aftermarket parts?
Did you use a factory slide or aftermarket slide? Manufacture?
Any issues with the slide to frame rail fit?
Did you use a factory barrel or aftermarket barrel? Manufacture?
Did you use a factory magazine or aftermarket magazine? Manufacture?


What caliber did you choose 9/40/357/GAP
Was the ammunition factory produced or reloaded
What was the bullet weight?
What model did you build the frame into 17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37

Overall feel of the complete assembled gun
Does the gun naturally point on target
Did the trigger pull change?
Is the trigger reset acceptable

Did you use the accessory rail?
What accessory was attached and who is the manufacture?
Did the accessory fit well, was it secure?
Did you shoot the frame with the accessory attached?
Was performance or reliability affected in any way?

Did you use a holster?
Who is the manufacture? Model#
Describe the holster fit, as intended, poor?


Did the TimberWolf shoot well.
Describe the muzzle rise, more or less than the factory frame?
Did you notice a change in recoil, better, worse?
Did the bullet impact change?
How many rounds did you fire of each caliber.

Did you experience any specific problems.
Do you have any suggestions regarding changes or additions to the frame?
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Old 07-23-2010, 17:05   #1088
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I didn't realize the Magazine Catch Spring was a "custom fit" part. Mine is probably too short now. It works, but it feels very weak, and it drops the mag waaay too easily. Is there a way to stiffen it?

Not sure what you mean by "custom fit" part?
Mine dropped right in.
I'd order a new one.
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Old 07-23-2010, 17:19   #1089
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Great questions. I'm interested in performance results. I would like to hear if people are able to improve on their shooting scores.

For example;
Was your draw time to first shot increased or decreased?
Was your mag change time increased or decreased?

Did your time change on drills such as the El Presidente or Double Bill Drill?

These are the questions I'm interested in. Of course this would require the use of a timer and a working Glock frame with the same internals but I bet a few people that ended up with a prototype have them.

Thanks for the opportunity to be involved in this whole thing.
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Old 07-23-2010, 17:50   #1090
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Mine is probably too short now. It works, but it feels very weak, and it drops the mag waaay too easily. Is there a way to stiffen it?ll.
Too short? Did you sand it down or something?

I feel it is too weak also. At least for a carry gun. I don't think it is a frame issue though, I believe it's a mag release issue or spring issue. Maybe the mag release was designed for a Glock modification and the Timberwolf frame is a hair thinner.

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Old 07-23-2010, 17:59   #1091
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Too short? Did you sand it down or something?

I feel it is too weak also. Ad least for a carry gun. I don't think it is a frame issue though, I believe it's a mag issue or spring issue.
I will be shooting IDPA with it this weekend. It will be a decent test of it. We have fire from retention, strong hand only, short range, longish range, head shots, getting in and out of holsters hot, reloads with retention, etc..

My IWB is for a G23/19 and my LW (G17) won't fit or I would run it IWB some. Granted being a lefty the mag release is not against the body anyways. The mag release is very light though. If it is to light I might find I drop the mag when I don't want to being left handed but we will see what happens.
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Old 07-23-2010, 19:08   #1092
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I ordered mine on 6/23/10, picked it up today 7/23/10. Proto295

I built mine on a Glock 37 .45 GAP slide/barrel all oem. I will be trying other calibers, this is just my initial set up.

I picked it up at 3pm today, buzzed home, tossed her together and was shooting by 4pm. This is including 25 minutes total drive time between range and home. I put my first 100 rounds through it.

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Overall appearance of frame
I like the look, it's something different
Overall grip texture comfortable front, back, side
I really like the texture, almost as much as I like the rtf2 finish
Any discomfort (chafing) regarding the texture?
No, I have man hands, I work for a living
Spacing in finger grips comfortable
fine, just fine
Beavertail comfortable? Too long, short, just right?
I like the beavertail, it's too early for me to say if it's exactly right
Was the mag catch comfortable? Reliable?
Mag catch is comfortable, easy to reach. I only brought two of my G37 mags with me to the range. There is an every-so-slight wear mark on one of my mags where it hooks in the mag catch. The LW mag catch will not hold this particular mag secure in my pistol

Does the color appear to be black? If not, how would you describe the color?
No, it looks like a charcoal gray to me
What colors would you like to see offered?
Black would be nice. I'm not a big colored gun guy.

Were the grips easy to install? Remove?
Mine were actually too easy. They both were coming while doing mag changes
Describe the flat grip feel (similar to 1911?)
1911ish, but not exactly
Describe the swelled grip feel (similar to XD?)
More Glockish than the flat grip
Which grip is your favorite flat or swelled?
The jury is still out on this
Do you consider your hands to be large, medium, small?
Large & meaty
Any issues with the grip accidently unlocking?
Yes, a more positive retention device is needed. This will be a deal-breaker for me. I guess I could just decide which one I like better and install it permanently

Did you use your Glock receiver parts to build the Timber Wolf frame?
Yes
Any issues installing the factory parts?
Zero issues
Did you use any aftermarket parts to build the TimberWolf frame?
No
Any issues installing the aftermarket parts?
n/a
Did you use a factory slide or aftermarket slide? Manufacture?
My initial set up is a factory Glock 37 .45 GAP
Any issues with the slide to frame rail fit?
Mine fits fine
Did you use a factory barrel or aftermarket barrel? Manufacture?
oem Glock 37 barrel
Did you use a factory magazine or aftermarket magazine? Manufacture?
oem

What caliber did you choose 9/40/357/GAP
GAP as my initial set up
Was the ammunition factory produced or reloaded
with the exception of a few rounds, I load my own ammo
What was the bullet weight?
50 rds of Berry's 185gr HBRN, 50 rds of Montana Gold 200gr JFP
What model did you build the frame into 17,17L,22,24,31,34,35,37
37

Overall feel of the complete assembled gun
I really like the overall feeling of it
Does the gun naturally point on target
Not like my Glocks LOL Yes, it points well
Did the trigger pull change?
No
Is the trigger reset acceptable
It feels like a Glock, I like it

Did you use the accessory rail?
Yeah, I hung a load of laundry between it and my Bushy (No)

Did you use a holster?
Not yet
Who is the manufacture? Model#
Describe the holster fit, as intended, poor?


Did the TimberWolf shoot well.
Yes, it shoots well
Describe the muzzle rise, more or less than the factory frame?
I would say muzzle rise is less
Did you notice a change in recoil, better, worse?
recoil is about the same to me
Did the bullet impact change?
not whatsoever, the bullet goes exactly where the barrel is pointed
How many rounds did you fire of each caliber.
100 rounds through it so far, more to come

Did you experience any specific problems.
all noted above. I'll be editing this post as my round count progresses
Do you have any suggestions regarding changes or additions to the frame?
non-secure back straps are an issue to me right now. Without invasive changes mine's not ready for competition yet

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Old 07-23-2010, 20:01   #1093
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Not sure what you mean by "custom fit" part?

I had to trim it down. It was too long. I think it may have extended past the top of the magazine release. Is the Glock factory installed spring removable without damage? I might have to take it out of the Glock frame(and order another).
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Old 07-23-2010, 20:34   #1094
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I had to trim it down. It was too long. I think it may have extended past the top of the magazine release. Is the Glock factory installed spring removable without damage? I might have to take it out of the Glock frame(and order another).
You shouldn't have had to trim the mag catch spring. You should be able to push it down further. It is removable without damage. It's a replaceable part.
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Old 07-23-2010, 21:18   #1095
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You shouldn't have had to trim the mag catch spring. You should be able to push it down further. It is removable without damage. It's a replaceable part.
yeah - the mag catch spring pushes down hard into the frame, until it is roughly in line with the opening it slips into on the mag release button...just push it in the frame - it'll go...that is, unless you already cut it...if so, order two new ones - one for your previous frame, one for the new frame. Cheers
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Old 07-23-2010, 23:37   #1096
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Were the grips easy to install? Remove?
Mine were actually too easy. They both were coming while doing mag changes

Any issues with the grip accidently unlocking?
Yes, a more positive retention device is needed. This will be a deal-breaker for me. I guess I could just decide which one I like better and install it permanently


Did you experience any specific problems.
all noted above. I'll be editing this post as my round count progresses
Do you have any suggestions regarding changes or additions to the frame?
[B]non-secure back straps are an issue to me right now.
I had the same issue with the back strap coming off when doing reloads. I took a very dense piece of foam tape and stuck it in-between the back strap and the retaining bar. It keeps that tab pressed hard into the frame's slot but will still compress enough to remove the backstrap. The back strap takes considerable effort to remove now and does not come off during mag changes. The foam I used was for industrial applications but I'm sure you can find something similar at the hardware store.

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I took a very dense piece of foam tape and stuck it in-between the back strap and the retaining bar.
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:15   #1098
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Yep I'm with you in line. Any work on the next batch?

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Old 07-24-2010, 12:50   #1099
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Anyone build theirs with the old style 22 locking block? I didn't realize that I ordered the wrong part until today when I tried to put everything together

I think it is wider than the newer style block. Any thoughts?

Do I need to sand down the frame, or should I order the newer locking block?
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I think it'd be better to just get the newer block.
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