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10-27-2008, 20:53
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Cold Infidel
Join Date: Mar 2006
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I like the idea, why not right? I'll keep my eye open for the G21 conversion, until then YAWN.
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10-27-2008, 21:16
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#102
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Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Oldtown Idaho USA
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The original release is planed as replacement frames only.
Once we get on our feet we will contract to have 2 thousand built. This will qualify the gun to run legal in the SSP (IDPA) and production (USPSA) categories.
We have several well known builders and shooters that provided a lot of input regarding this frame. Believe me when I tell you, every one of them signed off on the finger grips. They are a non issue even to guys that do not want them.
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10-27-2008, 21:27
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#103
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Join Date: Jan 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
The original release is planed as replacement frames only.
Once we get on our feet we will contract to have 2 thousand built. This will qualify the gun to run legal in the SSP (IDPA) and production (USPSA) categories.
We have several well known builders and shooters that provided a lot of input regarding this frame. Believe me when I tell you, every one of them signed off on the finger grips. They are a non issue even to guys that do not want them.
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JR - You are not listening - When we say we don't want FG's - We don't want FG's - nuff said! Please do not tell me what is a non-issue!
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10-27-2008, 21:35
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#104
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Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Oldtown Idaho USA
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Well then...... it is obvious this frame is not for you. Maybe a few others feel the same way but here is the truth of the matter. I would be happy if 2% Glock owners liked what we have to offer and only 1% purchased.
This project is not a "save all wonder frame". Its an option. An option that has a nitch and we are here to fill it.
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10-27-2008, 21:54
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#105
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Join Date: Jan 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
Well then...... it is obvious this frame is not for you. Maybe a few others feel the same way but here is the truth of the matter. I would be happy if 2% Glock owners liked what we have to offer and only 1% purchased.
This project is not a "save all wonder frame". Its an option. An option that has a nitch and we are here to fill it.
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Oh, but you see - it could be a "save all wonder frame" if you'd open the options up and not try to mandate. You may even get some M&P and XD business from people who don't buy GLOCKs because of the FG's. There's lots of money being made taking the FG's off GLOCKs.
I hope you sell tons of them because that'll put more stock frames on the market that I can buy and mod however I want.
I could comment further but it'd serve no purpose. I do think you need to remember what side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on.
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10-27-2008, 21:55
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#106
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: San Antonio, TEXAS
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Plans for G29 and G30 G26 G27? Would be Very cool and Extra concealable
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10-27-2008, 22:04
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#107
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I meant no offence. Simply trying to indicate we will not be able to accommodate everyone. I can accept that fact.
You are positively sold on "no FG", but so were several others involved with this project. I tried to explain that this frame circumference is greatly reduced. It allows a completely different grip and the FG do not interfere. Come out to the Tulsa Show in Nov, SAR Show in Dec (Phoenix), SHOT Show in Jan (Orlando) and see for yourself.
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10-27-2008, 22:06
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#108
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Hey JR:
Thanks for your input here. I'm going to give you a call this week as I'd like to see how a frame like this would work with my officers with small hands who are challenged with the 17/22 frame (especially with the adjustable backstraps). If the pricepoint is lower than the CCR raceframe, that interests the command staff above me.
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10-27-2008, 22:07
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#109
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CLM Number 243
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
The next production will be for the G20,21.
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Sweet, I can't wait for that
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10-27-2008, 22:15
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#110
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Ahhhhhhh, Bach
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: SW Virginia
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Thank you for the additional information JR. Looking forward to that Glock 20 frame.
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10-27-2008, 22:24
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#111
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: houston, tx
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Very nice product, but Ill stick to my stock glock!
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10-27-2008, 22:29
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#112
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Cold Infidel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: NE Pa.
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Like I mentioned before, I'm more interested in the 21 conversion. However, that's just me. I have a 21 sf now and definitely think I would be for a conversion for it. I would have gone the ccf route before, but they weren't available at the time I was looking. I would definitely wait for this. I have a ambi model 21, will the conversion be ambi? I know this is jumping the gun (no pun intended) But the more I look, the more I'm interested. I would also be interested in a conversion for the G30 with a grip to accept the full size grip of the 21sf without the big gap.
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10-28-2008, 02:34
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#113
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Caped Crusader
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: W. Wash
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everyone is a critic. I look forward to buying a lower with a nice 35 lwd upper. or when the 20/21 lower comes out a 5" LWD hunting barrel and upper. positive people. think positive!
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10-28-2008, 05:23
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#114
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,005
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Very, very cool
I'll be getting one!
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10-28-2008, 08:20
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#115
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,376
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Can't wait I'm very excited about this...
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10-28-2008, 08:32
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#116
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hedgehog
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: CT
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i dont see a big problem with the finger grips, they don't look as pronounced at the regular glock ones are.
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10-28-2008, 08:36
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#117
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Platinum Member
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Southern US
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I'd take a g20/21 frame. I have no interest in any others myself. Hope to see them soon.
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10-28-2008, 08:37
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#118
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JR
I meant no offence. Simply trying to indicate we will not be able to accommodate everyone. I can accept that fact.
You are positively sold on "no FG", but so were several others involved with this project. I tried to explain that this frame circumference is greatly reduced. It allows a completely different grip and the FG do not interfere. Come out to the Tulsa Show in Nov, SAR Show in Dec (Phoenix), SHOT Show in Jan (Orlando) and see for yourself.
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You are correct sir. So much against FG's that I only own 1 - 3rd Gen Fullsize GLOCK and that is a G35 with the FGs removed. Believe me, I own many GLOCKs, but have to settle for 2nd Gen guns. Gaston can't sell me on FG's, so I doubt you will. BHP's, 1911's, Berettas, Rugers, S&W's, M&P's, XD's, Sigs - none of them have FG's, why would you want to add them is beyond me. I don't see anybody adding FG's to GLOCKs, only taking them off.
As I learn to do frame mods myself, I plan to get some more 3rd Gen Guns. Like I said, I hope you sell tons of these so I can get some factory frames at a reasonable price.
Good Luck in your endeavor!
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10-28-2008, 08:55
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#119
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Big Giant Head
Join Date: Dec 1969
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Guys, if you want to ask questions or post comments in the Product Showcase forum, you need to be polite and exercise some tact. As is usually the case, the warning is unnecessary for most of you. Eric
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10-28-2008, 09:52
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#120
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The Fun-Police
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: SE PA
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Pretty cool IMHO.
And FWIW, it seems like those with a FG "issue" are in a pretty small minority.
Nice job JR & Co.!
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10-28-2008, 10:08
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#121
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Glock for Life
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: West Michigan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smoke
Oh, but you see - it could be a "save all wonder frame" if you'd open the options up and not try to mandate. You may even get some M&P and XD business from people who don't buy GLOCKs because of the FG's. There's lots of money being made taking the FG's off GLOCKs.
I hope you sell tons of them because that'll put more stock frames on the market that I can buy and mod however I want.
I could comment further but it'd serve no purpose. I do think you need to remember what side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on.
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Let a newbie chime in if I may...bottom line to me is if you don't like the frame or you don't like the way they've made it or you don't like his honest answer to you "the customer" then don't buy it! But don't throw down this "I don't think you need to remember which side of the dealer/customer relationship you're on" crap because you instigated the conversation hopefully with the intention of receiving an honest answer...and not some lame answer that you would receive from a programmed Wal-mart employee.
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10-28-2008, 10:57
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#122
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Big Giant Head
Join Date: Dec 1969
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Guys, please do not let the thread get derailed by bickering. Keep posts on topic. Thanks. Eric
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10-28-2008, 11:11
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#123
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
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JR thank you for the info, waiting on the reply -
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10-28-2008, 12:53
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#124
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Formerly1811guy2
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 7,023
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cross-X
Nice frame, but, sadly, not legal for competition in IDPA.
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Nice frame, and fortunately, legal for competition in USPSA.
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10-28-2008, 13:09
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#125
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GT Sponsor
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Oldtown Idaho USA
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I talked with IDPA a few months back. I was informed the new frame qualified for ESP division
Also legal in USPSA limited and Open class
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