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Old 07-31-2010, 10:00   #1151
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Timberwolf G22

I assembled my frame today with a LW slide and barrel. The rest of the parts are all Glock. She's a Glock 22 for now. I'll start running rounds through tomorrow.

All my Glock mags (17 and 22 mags tested) go in and out fine. My G17 KCI mags work. I ordered a couple Korean G22 mags which are very tight in this frame. I was able to seat one with some effort, and had to use a tool handle to push it out from the top because I couldn't get a good enough grip on the bottom, to give you an idea of the resistance. The backstrap seems OK with mags that eject properly, but comes off if any effort is necessary to remove the mag (I'll try a foam strip if this proves to be an issue at the range).

I'll be testing it with the LW slide and with a G17 slide, and will update JR's survey when I'm done, probably early next week.
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Old 07-31-2010, 11:02   #1152
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I have been carrying my TimberWolf G17 for the last few days in my Heinie/Alessi DOJ, and I am happy to report no issues with inadvertent magazine releases and no issues with the back strap becoming unlatched. My frame appears to be a keeper.

I think I see how a magazine that is tight in the mag well can cause the back strap latch to release. I need to tape up a magazine to test my theory.
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Old 07-31-2010, 20:06   #1153
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I did back to back accuracy testing of the LW lower vs Glock lower and the accuracy is not good with the LW - hits left with erratic grouping. I cannot see any reason for this. Is anyone else seeing a problem with accuracy?
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Old 07-31-2010, 22:38   #1154
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I did back to back accuracy testing of the LW lower vs Glock lower and the accuracy is not good with the LW - hits left with erratic grouping. I cannot see any reason for this. Is anyone else seeing a problem with accuracy?
For me, the accuracy was better with the TW. I feel this is due to better control of the new frame.
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Old 07-31-2010, 23:55   #1155
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OK, fired 500+ rounds yesterday and here are my results and impressions so far. Already filled out the survey on the LDW website.

1.) Mag release is too easy to activate, needs a stronger spring.

2.) Accuracy not quite as good as with my G34 frame, not sure why this is the case. Could be a different hold thing going on there , but I think I know why. ***I will discuss this further below.

3.) No jams for me.

4.) My son had 8 FTF jams. Not sure why but maybe due to a weaker grip or maybe weak ammo, see number 5 below. I'm not too worried about this as I had no jams at all.

5.) Extraction seems a bit weak (I suspect the ammo, used 115gr Federal from Walmart).

6.) No issues at all with the grip coming loose, none whatsoever. Used the flat grip as I like the feel better than the curved one.

7.) Shot slightly left and high. ***I will discuss this further below.

8.) The gap between slide and frame is higher on the left side of the
gun when looking from the rear of the gun in shooting position. The metal frame rails are higher on the left hand side of the frame when compared to the right hand side frame rails, you can see this with the slide removed. This is causing the gap to be different on the left and right hand sides.

9.) This is very minor, the sprue mark on the front of the trigger guard needed to be filed down a bit on my frame.

10.) The mag well on mine was very tight and needed filing and sanding to get mags to drop free. After a few hours of careful work, all my mags now drop free.

11.) Recoil is perceptably less using the LWD frame compared to the OEM Glock G34 frame. I attribute this to the higher and different grip of the LWD frame.

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1.) Stock frame parts except for Ghost 3.5# connector (not the one with the overtravel tab).

BTW - The connector needed to be readjusted when installed in the LWD frame. The connectory was setup for the factory G34 frame and was adjusted perfectly in the OEM frame. The connector needed adjustment when put into the new SF trigger housing and into the LWD frame. The trigger pull is significantly heavier in the LWD frame when compared to the factory G34 frame.

2.) Stock slide parts except for barrel and sights.

3.) LWD 9mm G34 replacement barrel

4.) Tru Glo TFO sights.

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*** Now for my thoughts on why the gun shot high and not as accurately as the OEM G34 frame.

For some unknown reason, the LWD G34 barrel doesn't lock up tight at the chamber end compared to when I use the G34 frame. I took the parts out of the G34 so it should be the same but it is not. The factory original G34 barrel locks up tigher in the LWD frame than the LWD barrel. The rear of the LWD barrel sits lower in the slide when using the LWD frame and using the same exact locking block in both the OEM G34 frame and the LWD frame.

This is strange as the LWD barrel locks up tight using the OEM G34 frame and is very accurate. This barrel will give 10 shot ragged hole groups at 25 ft when installed in the factory G34 frame, so I know the barrel is accurate in the Glock G34 frame.

When using the LWD barrel in the LWD frame, the rear of the barrel moves up and down quite a bit more than when in the Glock frame and this is causing the vertical stringing I'm seeing with groups.

I think the issue or root cause is that the slide sits higher on the rails in the LWD frame when compared to the Glock OEM G34 frame. The gap between the slide and frame when using the G34 factory frame is very minimal. When the slide is installed on the LWD frame, the gap between frame and slide is at least double that of the factory frame. I think the frame rails are higher on the LWD frame and this causes the barrel to not lock up as tight at the rear of the barrel.

The accuracy windage-wise is spot on, very good, but the accuracy in elevation is not good. I see vertical stringing of over 1-1/2 to 2 inches at 25 feet. Very strange.

For the next range session, I will install the factory G34 barrel and see what results I get for this.


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Old 08-01-2010, 07:06   #1156
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I think the issue or root cause is that the slide sits higher on the rails in the LWD frame when compared to the Glock OEM G34 frame. The gap between the slide and frame when using the G34 factory frame is very minimal. When the slide is installed on the LWD frame, the gap between frame and slide is at least double that of the factory frame. I think the frame rails are higher on the LWD frame and this causes the barrel to not lock up as tight at the rear of the barrel.

The accuracy windage-wise is spot on, very good, but the accuracy in elevation is not good. I see vertical stringing of over 1-1/2 to 2 inches at 25 feet. Very strange.

For the next range session, I will install the factory G34 barrel and see what results I get for this.


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I was wondering if someone was going to have problems with the rails. My left rails sit higher than my right rails causing the slide to be tilted. They don't sit flat across from each other. I think that is why people had a tight slide. The ends of the rails are not solid....there is some metal flash left after the stamping. I believe that will eventually wear down. I hope the slide doesn't become too loose after it does.
With that said, I haven't had a accuracy issue. Same as my Glock.

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Old 08-01-2010, 16:39   #1157
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Yep, mine is higher on the left side too.
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Old 08-01-2010, 22:57   #1158
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I popped in to see if I could add to my review, forgot to put in that rails are showing uneven wear. front right, left rear showing significantly more wear.

right rear rail is measuring .015 low frame to bottom of rail and .020 low top of rail to frame. haven't taken it to a slab and height gauge (and won't really get a chance any time soon) but that's what the calipers say and it explains the wear and possibly some of the problems I experienced. no accuracy problems, just feed and ejection with 9mm.

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Old 08-01-2010, 23:51   #1159
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While I still have yet to get out to shoot(grrrr), one thing of note. I picked up an Insight WX150. The 'lock bar' that the light comes installed with out of the box is too small for the forward groove of the Timberwolf's rail; it wobbles. The thicker bar that's included is too big; it won't lock onto the frame at all. It fits onto the Glock frame fine with the first lock bar.

Has anyone tried any other tac-lights on theirs?

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Old 08-02-2010, 00:34   #1160
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Has anyone tried any other tac-lights on theirs?
My Streamlight TLR-1 fits fine.
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Old 08-02-2010, 02:31   #1161
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My Streamlight TLR-1 fits fine.
TLR-1, M3LED, and GTL all fit fine on mine.
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Old 08-02-2010, 14:11   #1162
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Made a preview youtube video of my frame. Not much but something at least. I plan on doing the range video soon i hope, and more thoughts on the frame and accessories like holsters, lights etc.. maybe even a first person perspective video of a Glock match coming up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o61eHztMhYU
That's awesome! I took some video of my attempt at assembling (unfortunately I ordered the wrong locking block...so I can't finish the video and post it until I either exchange mine or hopefully borrow one from a friend)
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Old 08-02-2010, 16:58   #1163
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I had trouble with mags being too tight = I did some sanding on the magwell – then boiled the receiver in a pot of water then put a loaded mag in a couple of plastic sandwich bags and forced them seated – seems to have worked.

I ordered a new locking block from Brownells – it wants the later version. I am hoping that will fix the accuracy issues (it aint accurate) on the LW frame but is on the Glock.

This one may wind up as a dedicated .22 practice gun.
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Old 08-02-2010, 17:07   #1164
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I did 350 rounds this evening putting me at ~550 total. Mixed results. I will fill out the official survey this week just need to decide if I will get another session in. All shots fired with a G17 top end. All parts Glock except a Scharer 3.5Lb Connector, some KCI mags, and Warren Sights other then obviously the LW frame. All lower parts where brand new from a Kit.

Let me start with I am a lefty.

On some mag insertions the back strap came loose so I will do the foam tape idea to hopefully make that a non issue.

I had some mags not drop free when I purposefully pressed the mag release on the empty mag. 4 out of the 20 I brought. 2 KCI, 1 New Glock, and 1 Original Glock Mag from my Gen 2 17.

The main issue I had is about 15 times the mag came unseated or completely fell out when I didn't want it to. I believe my left middle finger about the knuckle was pressing on the mag release enough to release it. I tried messing with my grip to keep away from it but then I had some FTE probably limp wristing it as I basically removed all tension from my left middle finger. If the mag release was stronger it might not be an issue. My buddy was shooting his LW frame and probably will be on later but he did not have the issue but is right handed.

Anyone else a lefty having this issue?

I also had a lot of brass coming straight back at me that does not usually happen with other pistol. Lots bouncing off my hat, off my glasses, cheek, etc... Maybe that changes as it wears in some. It is not to important.

Other then the mags sometimes falling out it ran well and ran it through the paces with fire from retention, advancing, retreating, rapid, slow head shots from ~30 yards.
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Old 08-03-2010, 10:45   #1165
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I put 350 rounds through yesterday afternoon. It was hot. Damn hot.

I second Jon_R's observation on the ejection. I'm shooting in G22 configuration with a LW slide and barrel, but everything else is glock. Most of my ejections come straight back. It's not much trouble wearing a hat and glasses, but could be an issue for carry.

I need to do something about mags. My new .40 mags work correctly, but all my older ones (4 and 5 on the follower) are tight enough not to drop free.

Accuracy and cycling were fine. The chamber on the LW barrel is tighter which led to some issues with my ammo. Out of the 350 rounds 6 failed to chamber. I gauged all six in a G35 barrel when I got home and they insert fully and fall out freely. I may contact LW about adjusting my barrel.
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Old 08-03-2010, 14:27   #1166
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Old 08-04-2010, 22:15   #1167
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I have set up my frame with a 17 slide and all Glock internals. I have put approximately 1500 rounds through it with dissapointing results. In all I have had approximately 50 stove-pipe malfunctions. This is not good as I intended on using it On-Duty. I will be getting rid of the frame as it will not be of use to me. I am glad though that others are having fun with theirs.
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:36   #1168
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Just picked up my frame today. Everything looks good except the frame rails that are rough. Two of them had a lot of surface rust on them and all four have sharp unfinished edges (jagged). I used a bit of Flitz and cleaned off the rust and want to use a diamond file to clean-up the edges of the rails. What i want to know is if the rails are made of stainless steel or just plain steel? Are they coated (nickel/chrome) with some sort of protective coating? Hopefully the final frames will have better finished frame rails that are NP3 or Chrome plated for reduced friction and corrosion protection.

Tonight, i will try to put it together with my stock Glock parts that I bought for this frame!
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Old 08-05-2010, 10:39   #1169
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I was really hoping reports would get better, not worse.
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:35   #1170
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put another 250 through mine.......no problems what so ever


Just brought in the mail, I ordered a trigger housing pin for the GLOCK 36 from LWD and it is a perfect fit. Something to consider for those that don't like the longer regular TH pin length.


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Old 08-05-2010, 13:23   #1171
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Just picked up my frame today. Everything looks good except the frame rails that are rough. Two of them had a lot of surface rust on them and all four have sharp unfinished edges (jagged).
Picked mine up today too and its the same.
The outside part of the rails are clean, the inside have rust discoloration on them. I am worried because it looks like the rails are rusting under the plastic since the rust seems to continue to under the plastic.
It came in two weeks ago but I was on vacation last week and was just able to pick it up today because my dealer was gone each time I went by.

Problem I have is none of my mags fit the frame. They are all SUPER tight.
Tighter then the factory non-drop free mags (the early ones).

It will be another couple of weeks before I can assemble it and range test it. Its busy at work and I will be out of town. SUCKS
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Old 08-05-2010, 14:33   #1172
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Some of you are making me nervous ,, I hope mine is not a problem child ,, with my luck it will be the worst one
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Old 08-05-2010, 15:06   #1173
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I was really hoping reports would get better, not worse.
They will get better. These are prototype frames.
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Old 08-05-2010, 15:46   #1174
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My dealer received mine and is going to put it together for me. I haven't had a chance to handle it yet but he tells me that it looks great. I know they are proto's but I really hope I got a good one.
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They will get better. These are prototype frames.
I just hope he improves the quality of the rails and mag release before the production frames are released. I know the magazine issue has been addressed.
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