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Old 10-14-2014, 17:04   #1
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City of Houston demands pastors turn over sermons

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The city of Houston has issued subpoenas demanding a group of pastors turn over any sermons dealing with homosexuality, gender identity or Annise Parker, the city’s first openly lesbian mayor. And those ministers who fail to comply could be held in contempt of court.
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Old 10-14-2014, 17:10   #2
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Old 10-14-2014, 17:14   #3
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God, I'm sick of Liberal Fascism.
Most big cities now are run by them. Houston, obviously, is another one.
A pox on all of them. This ain't Nazi Germany. We still have some freedoms here, although the Liberal Fascists are making them disappear quickly.
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It starts with Contempt of Court, and eventually there are prisons, and maybe executions in the town square.

It's been happening all over the world for almost two thousand years.
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"Show me your papers -- now!"

it looks like the Gestapo is alive and well in Houston.

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Imams, too? Or just the Christians?
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Imams, too? Or just the Christians?
Good question...
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EXCELLENT question...

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They know who won't lop their heads off. Isn't that the way most bully's operate?!
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They know who won't lop their heads off. Isn't that the way most bully's operate?!
That might be part of the motivation, but I think the driving force is that progressives want to eradicate every vestige of traditional western values in this country -- and #1 on that list would be Christianity.

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Does the city of Houston not have lawyers they can consult before doing something like this? Did they get legal advice from the DA in Austin>
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Imams, too? Or just the Christians?
Imams would be anti gay too certainly.

So on the surface this seems crazy, but what's the legal issue here? Does freedom of speech include freedom to hide your speech? The sermons are made in public, can hardly claim an expectation of privacy. They're free to practice their religion, does this infringe on it? How? I'm not sure I see an issue getting the sermons.

But what to do once they get them? I'm stumped.

I think there's virtually nothing the city could do legally about what was said, that's protected speech, pretty obviously.

What's the plan, public shaming? What purpose? The people that heard it in real time agree with it if they haven't left. Those who will be outraged would never join anyway. People that agree might join due to the free publicity. What could the end game be?

I don't recall anyone ever hearing anything remotely like this before. Any precedents you know of that would apply?

I would be tempted to have a sermon saying the mayor can kiss my wrinkly white royal American butt and turn that over. Just to be difficult.

What happens if they refuse? Is the internet going to be deluged with cell phone video of pastors getting tased and dragged out through stained glass windows shooting "AM I BEING DETAINED????"

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To what end and how do they have any proof such sermons have been written? If no one turns anything in does that mean they can charge them all for non compliance with no proof of said crime?
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What's the plan, public shaming? What purpose? The people that heard it in real time agree with it if they haven't left. Those who will be outraged would never join anyway. People that agree might join due to the free publicity. What could the end game be?
Sudden "zoning issues"? Harassment suits in regard to parking? Slapped with a "hate crime" suit (via DOJ)?

Once the city has taken it to this level of intrusion, I guess anything is possible...

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Old 10-14-2014, 18:01   #17
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This stupid lady needs to be sued, then impeached. The joke is the gay 'brownshorts' are supposed to be all about tolerance. This is a clear violation of the 1A guarantee of free exercise of religion.
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targeted attack on religion by the democrats.
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Sudden "zoning issues"? Harassment suits in regard to parking? Slapped with a "hate crime" suit (via DOJ)?

Once the city has taken it to this level of intrusion, I guess anything is possible...

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Isn't this Sheila Jackson Lee's territory?! She's the expert on all things legal........... quick! Call her up!!!
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