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Old 10-01-2008, 13:03   #51
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I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.
I couldnt agree with this post more.
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Old 10-01-2008, 16:18   #52
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Okay guys, it won't be just hi-caps that will go away. Obama has said (and I quote): "I don't believe in people owning guns." He voted against allowing people to shoot intruders in self defense in their own homes! He is more anti gun than John Kerry was in 2004. Hi-cap mags are not the issue. Our basic rights as Americans is the issue!!!

Secondly, Bush is not running again. No matter who wins, we will have change. As far as "fixing the war," now hear this: the surge worked! BHO said it "wouldn't work", "it didn't work," "well maybe it worked," "no it hasn't worked" and that's all wrong. As a veteran of both OEF and OIF, I can tell you it has worked, and Iraq is well on the way to being tapered off and finally closed down. BTW, BHO went to Baghdad and asked the Iraqi PM to hold off any American troop withdrawals in order for him to take credit for it after he became President! The nerve of that guy! He slams the current administration for the troop presence in Iraq, then attempts to slow their withdrawal so he can do it and make himself look good! At the cost of HOW MANY American lives???

"Peace under Clinton?" First of all, we were attacked several times under Slutty Bill and he did (virtually) nothing (nothing that was effective) - which led to even bolder moves leading up to 9/11. Then we took more casualties than we did at Pearl Harbor! Do you really think BHO will move against the radical Muslims? The guy was educated at a Muslim shool. His father was Muslim. He professed Christianity in order to enter politics because he knew that (at the time) he couldn't get elected to dog catcher as a Muslim. So...he joined a church that preaches racism, hate, and spelled America as Amerikkka; whose preacher repeats "GD America," and now he refuses to salute the flag during the National Anthem!!! We want him as President and Commander and Chief?????
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Old 10-01-2008, 17:16   #53
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SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.
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Old 10-01-2008, 18:36   #54
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SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.
He probably has his hands full trolling all the other online gun forums, but I suspect he'll be back to trolling this one soonSo many forums so little time to fish them all.
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Old 10-01-2008, 22:00   #55
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I think your sentiments are why the election will go for Obama. I don't think 2nd Am issues (pro or con) are high on Obama's list. If they do get high on his list it will be after he has fixed the economy and the war(s). And quite frankly, I'd trade hi-caps to return to the same economy, gas prices, and peace that we had under Clinton. I'd rather have both, but given the choice between McCain and continuing the bad econmy/high gas prices/war and hi-caps vs. Obama w/no hi-caps, I'll take Obama.
Do you really think that he is just going to worry about hi-cap mags. That will only be #1 on the 4000+ item list of things that he wants to take away from you. His agenda is to abolish the second ammendment. This wonderful forum will cease to exist because law abiding citizens wont be able to own guns. Just the criminals. Dont believe me, look at England and Australia. The only reason "Obama bin laden" wants to bring the troops home is because it costs money and he knows that it will get him votes.

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Old 10-01-2008, 22:26   #56
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SO? Has anyone vetted Capt. Crunch? He is a resent addition to the group. He goes against the general grain (not nessesarily a bad thing). He just seems to want to stir things up. Anybody can come on here in vapor world and claim to be a service member. I just find it hard to believe that a career officer in the military currently serving believes that obama is not going to dismantle the armed forces piece by piece. It just seems off is all.
I havent seen CPT Crunch in a while either. I was beginning to wonder where he went. I welcome he and all other opinion on GT as its good for discussion. Us liberals are vastly outnumbered, but thats OK. GT is still a good a place as ever.

Obama is not going to dismantle our military and you have no facts supporting that claim. Obama has actually stated the contrary. He is going to expand the Army by 65,000 and the Marines by 27,000.
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Old 10-02-2008, 15:58   #57
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"Obama is not going to dismantle our military and you have no facts supporting that claim. Obama has actually stated the contrary. He is going to expand the Army by 65,000 and the Marines by 27,000. "

...And you actually believe that??
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Old 10-02-2008, 17:38   #58
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Vote smart and vote Mccain

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Another multi tour Iraq vet here. And I can say all you libs are way off about the military. There is no more than 5% of anyone I've met in uniform supporting Obuma. LDCarson hit things on the head, and Meshmdz, you need to open your eyes. Obama wants to replace the military with trained and indoctrinated street thugs.
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Old 10-08-2008, 13:41   #61
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Another multi tour Iraq vet here. And I can say all you libs are way off about the military. There is no more than 5% of anyone I've met in uniform supporting Obuma. LDCarson hit things on the head, and Meshmdz, you need to open your eyes. Obama wants to replace the military with trained and indoctrinated street thugs.
Flinter, it was GW Bush's admin. and his Sec of Defense (the one that isnt there anymore ironically, ole Rummy) that lowered the qualifications to join the military, thereby allowing "thugs" to join. Remove your head from the sand brother.
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Old 10-08-2008, 13:42   #62
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ever think that maybe this was done to help sustain the STRAINED military we have now as a result of the war in Iraq??????????????????
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I'm not talking about thugs joining the military, they have always been able to manage to get in. I'm talking about a seperate trained civilain force seperate from the military and equipped better than the military. Obama wants his own private army.

The difference between McCain and Obama is, McCain will slowly take us to the edge of the cliff, Obama will get us there full speed. Guess which option is easier to stop.
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Old 10-08-2008, 23:15   #64
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Oh so you were referencing Blackwater? Or the US Army will be like Obama's Army?
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Obama wants his own private army.


Seriously? Source for this claim?
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Old 10-09-2008, 15:09   #66
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Mesh, nice try. The Army doesn't belong to any President, but to the Congress. And Blackwater was a private security firm, not a gov entity, now replaced by Euro-Asian private security firms.

Cooke, Here are the references. One with the Obamessiah saying we need a Civilian National Security Force. Sounds like soemthing out of 1930s Germany. And I will paste the old article from Ivestors business Daily on that very subject. Now I know that being a good little Lib you will naturally say it is taken out of context, and there is the possibility it could be, but just exactly what purpose would a civilian force trained, equipped and funded like the military fulfill? Sorry but there is no good intent in this area, it all pure facsism.

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"Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals


Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.

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Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they'll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of "social change."

The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn't seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year "community leadership" positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They'll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.

In exchange, they'll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.

Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

Public Allies brags that more than 80% of graduates have continued working in nonprofit or government jobs. It's training the "next generation of nonprofit leaders" future "social entrepreneurs."

The Obamas discourage work in the private sector. "Don't go into corporate America," Michelle has exhorted youth. "Work for the community. Be social workers." Shun the "money culture," Barack added. "Individual salvation depends on collective salvation."

"If you commit to serving your community," he pledged in his Denver acceptance speech, "we will make sure you can afford a college education." So, go through government to go to college, and then go back into government.

Many of today's youth find the pitch attractive. "I may spend the rest of my life trying to create social movement," said Brian Coovert of the Cincinnati chapter. "There is always going to be work to do. Until we have a perfect country, I'll have a job."

Not all the recruits appreciate the PC indoctrination. "It was too touchy-feely," said Nelly Nieblas, 29, of the 2005 Los Angeles class. "It's a lot of talk about race, a lot of talk about sexism, a lot of talk about homophobia, talk about -isms and phobias."

One of those -isms is "heterosexism," which a Public Allies training seminar in Chicago describes as a negative byproduct of "capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and male-dominated privilege."

The government now funds about half of Public Allies' expenses through Clinton's AmeriCorps. Obama wants to fully fund it and expand it into a national program that some see costing $500 billion. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as the military, he said.

The gall of it: The Obamas want to create a boot camp for radicals who hate the military and stick American taxpayers with the bill."
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Old 10-09-2008, 19:16   #67
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American does have a problem with racism.
Social work is a great field to work in and helping other Americans in need is a noble thing.
Obama does not hate the military.
You are upset because your candidate is losing.
The end.

You STILL havent provided evidence supporting your claims. Youtube links do not count. Plus 19 seconds of Obama saying we need a collaborative effort to keep America safe is true. What is your point?
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Old 10-10-2008, 21:24   #68
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So...

...if Hussein gets elected and we raise the 'Stars and Bars again guess most of the army (what...60-70% from the South) isn't going to join us?

Bummer.
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...if Hussein gets elected and we raise the 'Stars and Bars again guess most of the army (what...60-70% from the South) isn't going to join us?

Bummer.
Interesting. One thing someone forgot to mention in regard to Obama wanting to build his own army is that he actually wants to decrease using private security contractors and use OUR Army more as opposed to Blackwater, triple canopy, and the likes.
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