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Old 03-14-2008, 13:52   #1
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New S&W AR in 5.54x39 (Russian AK74) take a look...

I am no longer accepting orders for these - thanks to those that ordered...

THE UPPERS COME WITH ONE 30 ROUND MAG -

S&W is about to come out with this in their MP line - This is a Russian AK74 cartridge anyone ever fire this? How is it? I understand Arsenal makes an AK in this caliber? Looks really interesting supposed to have great wounding capacity...

5.45 X 39mm, 30 Rd. Capacity, Semi-Auto, 16” Barrel Length, 1 in 8” twist, M4 Post Front Sight, 35” Overall Length Extended, 32” Overall Length Collapsed, 6-Position Collapsible Stock, 6.5 Lbs., Barrel Material: 4140 Steel, Receiver Material: 7075 T6 Aluminum, Hard Coat Black Anodized Finish


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Old 03-14-2008, 16:25   #2
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ive looked into that, and i believe the 5.56 nato is a better round in basically every respect. i do not know why anyone would get this
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Old 03-14-2008, 16:35   #3
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I would not buy this I would save the money and get a AK74 5.45mm is cheap
right now.
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Old 03-14-2008, 16:50   #4
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"Cheap ammo for how long?" is the question.
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Old 03-14-2008, 16:56   #5
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on second thought, i guess this would make sense if you want cheaper ammo
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Old 03-14-2008, 17:58   #6
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ive looked into that, and i believe the 5.56 nato is a better round in basically every respect. i do not know why anyone would get this
There must be a reason the Russians adopted this round I'm no expert but it must have some redeemable value as a tactical weapon.

Also, I'm sure S&W wouldn't be pouring money into a product that they don't believe in, or don't believe has an inherent use for the LE market and civilian market as well.

In closing, if it's not for you, then it's not for you, but you shouldn't make a generalized statement such as "I don't know why people would buy this" it's simply not a cool thing to do. Just because you aren't interested it doesn't make it wrong for others...

I have an old saying it goes like this - "There's an *ss for every seat"
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Old 03-14-2008, 18:04   #7
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The 5.45 is very accurate, and in the round (and various newer versions of it) the Russians adopted, quite lethal.
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Old 03-14-2008, 20:56   #8
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ya, im not an expert on this by any means but i just remembered hearing that from several people the the 5.56 was a far superior cartredge as i was looking into getting an ar-15 or an ak74 (i went with the ar). i realize it was kindof wrong for me to say "idk why anyone would get this" especially with how cheap the ammo is. also, the 5.54 could have some redeeming qualities i wasnt told about.

in short, sorry if i was being ignant and sorry for hijacking the thread.
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Old 03-14-2008, 21:02   #9
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The 5.45 is very accurate, and in the round (and various newer versions of it) the Russians adopted, quite lethal.
the afghanis called it the poison bullet, iirc.
had a air gap which caused it to tumble nicely in soft targets
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Old 03-14-2008, 21:24   #10
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Heck I still can't trust ar's in 5.56.

Lets see how this rifle eats the surplus steel-cased corrosive Russian/Bulgarian 5.45

What I'd really like to see are some US ammo companies to be making 5.45, but I don't think this will happen for awhile.

Kudos to S&W though for making this rifle though, I hope it sells for them.

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Old 03-15-2008, 02:27   #11
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The 5.45, in it's initial issue version doesn't penetrate cover as well as the 5.56 (which doesn't penetrate cover well either), later bullets issued (they have half a dozen, and issue the appropriate one for what you're doing unlike our 1-bullet-for-everything mentality) have more penetration, better expansion, or whatever.

It's not a perfect round (the Chinese 5.8mm supposedly outperforms both 5.45 and 5.56, it was designed to) but it's a good round.
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Old 03-15-2008, 06:55   #12
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Maybe they are looking to sell it overseas, to goverments that want an AR platform, but have stockpiles of 5.45.

Who better to test your product than sport shooters? A win-win for S&W. They get to sell more products, and people pay to test a weapon/ammo system for them.

Just thinking out loud, so to speak.
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Old 03-15-2008, 07:02   #13
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I love the 5.45 round!
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:24   #14
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I have a RRA entry tac in .223/5.56, I have a 6.8 upper for it and I will be adding this 5.54 upper ASAP...

Hey, "WHY NOT"
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Old 03-16-2008, 14:45   #15
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Interesting that S&W would offer some thing like this. The big advantage that the 5.45 currently has is it is so cheap. This situation may not last long.

I bought a Wasr-2 because the ammunition was so cheap! It works just fine, and is a delight to shoot. It is a good thing that ammunition is so cheap, because I have never seen dies or bullets or boxer primed cases offered.

I do wonder what kind of magazine that they intend to use. From what I understand, good AR-15 mags for the 5.45x39mm are few and far between. There is an alread developed market for the mags, since several 5.45 uppers have already been sold.
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Old 03-16-2008, 16:38   #16
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I remember seeing an interview with Mikhail Kalashnikov.

He was asked "what was up with the 5.54?"

He said that at the time his recommendation was to update the existing 7.62x39mm round rather than introduce a new cartridge.

He said he was ORDERED to do the 5.45 "because the Americans did".
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Old 03-16-2008, 17:41   #17
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It is my understanding that the 5.45x39 was developed because of the perceived need for a .22 caliber round after NATO (was forced by the US) went to the 5.56.

The 7.62x39 was the parent cartridge for several others, including the 5.45 and 9x39. None of the currently-available-in-US bullets approach the M193 5.56 capabilities, since fragmentation doesn't seem to be on the list of desires for 5.45.

As far as the reason for the release of a 5.45 upper, ammo prices should make that evident. Surplus 5.45 ammo is running around half the price of 5.56, right now.
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Old 03-16-2008, 18:09   #18
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Yeah, Mikhail did not wish to change calibers. The Russian special forces units didn't either, they kept 7.62 AKs for a considerable amount of time, though with the ammo variety available I believe they eventually went to the AK74.

Considering how accurate and how lethal the 5.45 is, I don't think the Russian Army had a problem with the switch. They've fought two wars in Chechnya with it, and Afghanistan and it did what they wanted it to.
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Old 03-17-2008, 12:05   #19
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Anyone that wants an upper or rifle I need to make the back orders as they go by first come first serve - so let me know ...

I will email pricing ...
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Old 03-17-2008, 15:52   #20
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The one thing that keeps me away from 5.45 is the fact there are no domestic producers of ammo. At least the "big three" make 7.62x39, so if any incident (foreign or domestic) stops the importation of ammo the US, we will pay out the ass for the domestic soviet ammo, but at least the guns will be fed
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