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Old 11-13-2009, 14:06   #141
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I saw a pic of Rob Leatham in a gun mag recently. When did he get so fat? He used to be really thin. WoW.
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Old 11-13-2009, 14:15   #142
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My bestfriend betrayed me. She was one of the only people I was close to, she was like a sister and a haven away from my not so perfect home life. She stole my first love from me, whom I gave everything to. Needless to say, I was depressed, hurt, suicidal tendencies, yadayada. I was alone except for them because my ex and I were the only ones to fail our grade Laziness and we only knew each other really, and she was the only one who would visit us. Imagine yourself being in that situation, its not pretty. I knew it would never work, and it didnt. Eventually I forgave her. Were friends again. My ex and I are friends again. We dont hang like we used to, but we talk. Its funny how she thinks I want to take her bf from her. Paranoia much, its like thats payback because she felt somewhat guilty. I mean, if theyre broken up, then yeah. On top of that, when she was dating my ex, he tried to sort of do some things I can not really say with me, tried. I stood stock still when he kissed me, not kissing back but not stopping him either. Just bored, I didnt even provoke him.But yeah, were all good now. All is forgiven. Funny thing is, forgiveness is for you, not them. If you forgive them, youre relinquishing any sort of control they had on your life. You feel better when the anger subsides. Chances are, if theyre going to do something to you like what happened in my or your situation, either you both had a major misunderstanding, your friendship wasnt as strong as you thought, or the friend just simply isnt worthy of you.
It's probably better if you don't carry or even have a snubbie at this point....................
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Old 11-13-2009, 17:18   #143
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"My bestfriend betrayed me. She was one of the only people I was close to, she was like a sister and a haven away from my not so perfect home life. She stole my first love from me, whom I gave everything to. Needless to say, I was depressed, hurt, suicidal tendencies, yadayada. I was alone except for them because my ex and I were the only ones to fail our grade Laziness and we only knew each other really, and she was the only one who would visit us. Imagine yourself being in that situation, its not pretty. I knew it would never work, and it didnt. Eventually I forgave her. Were friends again. My ex and I are friends again. We dont hang like we used to, but we talk. Its funny how she thinks I want to take her bf from her. Paranoia much, its like thats payback because she felt somewhat guilty. I mean, if theyre broken up, then yeah. On top of that, when she was dating my ex, he tried to sort of do some things I can not really say with me, tried. I stood stock still when he kissed me, not kissing back but not stopping him either. Just bored, I didnt even provoke him.But yeah, were all good now. All is forgiven. Funny thing is, forgiveness is for you, not them. If you forgive them, youre relinquishing any sort of control they had on your life. You feel better when the anger subsides. Chances are, if theyre going to do something to you like what happened in my or your situation, either you both had a major misunderstanding, your friendship wasnt as strong as you thought, or the friend just simply isnt worthy of you."

What does this have to do with any guns in the first place? I don't think this person needs any model of a firearm!
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Old 11-13-2009, 19:10   #144
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I have heard people say the snubbie is very convenient to carry but they felt undergunned while relying on it alone. When you consider your lifestyle-- where you go in your personal and business affairs, is this really an issue?

I make a point of staying out of situations and places I know have a credible and probable likelihood of a confrontation with criminals. Just about all of us have an area in town you want to stay out of. Having carried a gun both in patrol and as a detective for 30 years I don't feel undergunned with the J-Frame. I would have had to be deaf and blind not to get a "street sense" in all that time. I wasn't sitting behind a desk. The snubbie suits me just fine now that I am retired. I practice often with it and am fast and accurate with it. Fast in shooting and in reloading. Nothing unique there, just a matter of practice.

How many of you feel comfortable with just the snubbie when you go out and how many of you feel undergunned?
You hit it on the head. Situational awareness is priority #1. I regularly carry a concealed S&W 637 with a CT LaserGrip. I don't feel outgunned.

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Old 11-29-2009, 11:25   #145
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OP, you asked, so I'll give my opinion, for whatever it's worth. I live in a small town with a low crime rate, and my lifestyle choices further reduce my likelihood of becoming a crime victim.

But I wouldn't feel comfortable only carrying a 5-shot anything. Five shots of any handgun caliber is IMO marginal for dealing with only a single opponent, and completely inadequate IMO for multiple opponents.

I do carry a 642 loaded with Speer Short Barrel +P 135 gr GDs or CorBon +P 110 gr DPXs, but it's as a backup in the weakside front pocket to my G34 strongside in an IWB holster. The 642 is there in case my strongside arm becomes disabled or otherwise unavailable, or the G34 runs out of ammo, has a stoppage, or in case the encounter just happens at too short a distance to allow drawing the G34. I carry a spare mag for the G34 but no reload for the 642. Overkill? Maybe, but I'd much rather have too many options in a serious social encounter than too few.

But to each his own. If a person is comfortable with a snubbie, that's his/her business, not mine.
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Old 11-29-2009, 21:07   #146
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"My bestfriend betrayed me. She was one of the only people I was close to, she was like a sister and a haven away from my not so perfect home life. She stole my first love from me, whom I gave everything to. Needless to say, I was depressed, hurt, suicidal tendencies, yadayada. I was alone except for them because my ex and I were the only ones to fail our grade Laziness and we only knew each other really, and she was the only one who would visit us. Imagine yourself being in that situation, its not pretty. I knew it would never work, and it didnt. Eventually I forgave her. Were friends again. My ex and I are friends again. We dont hang like we used to, but we talk. Its funny how she thinks I want to take her bf from her. Paranoia much, its like thats payback because she felt somewhat guilty. I mean, if theyre broken up, then yeah. On top of that, when she was dating my ex, he tried to sort of do some things I can not really say with me, tried. I stood stock still when he kissed me, not kissing back but not stopping him either. Just bored, I didnt even provoke him.But yeah, were all good now. All is forgiven. Funny thing is, forgiveness is for you, not them. If you forgive them, youre relinquishing any sort of control they had on your life. You feel better when the anger subsides. Chances are, if theyre going to do something to you like what happened in my or your situation, either you both had a major misunderstanding, your friendship wasnt as strong as you thought, or the friend just simply isnt worthy of you."

What does this have to do with any guns in the first place? I don't think this person needs any model of a firearm!
After reading this persons other posts, I'd have to agree.


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Old 12-13-2009, 22:45   #147
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My usual EDC is my G27, but in the past when I have been out and about carrying my 5-shot snubbie I still felt comfortable. I have shot the heck out of that thing and I am very comfortable and confident with what I can do with it. My opinion is as long as you are well trained with a specific firearm you can be effective with it.
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Old 01-25-2010, 21:53   #148
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I carry an all stainless 640 with .357 magnum (plus an extra speed strip)...so no I do not feel undergunned with 10 rounds of .357. My thinking is if I need more than 10 rounds of .357 I was being a dumb ass, not thinking at all and deserve to where I am.
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Old 01-30-2010, 16:18   #149
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My S&W 342 has served me well and it would get me though most situations if it came down to it. I have carried it alone in the past but If I can carry more gun I will now days. I cant help but think about a situation like standing in line at the gas station when two guys with guns walk in...or im out at a late movie and some pshyco walk in with an AK47.

Granted either situation is bad and a larger gun dosent mean you will win. But going into a gun fight i would father have more gun.

Do I feel under gunned with the revolver? No not really. But to be honest I feel a little more confident with my kahr PM9(7+1) and an extra mag. It's only 3 more rounds I know.
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Old 03-11-2010, 23:03   #150
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I love my 442 and have been carrying it more and more recently. I'm actually thinking hard about using it for EDC in lieu of my LCP.

That being said, I'm not looking for any crazy shootout. If I ever have to shoot, I'm going to run the first chance I get. Fast.

When I get about 6 miles away, I'll reload with one of the two speed strips I keep so handily in my back pocket.

As other have said, never ever let your guard down. Look everywhere always and if something seems off, trust your gut and act accordingly.
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Old 03-25-2010, 19:47   #151
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My main carry guns for the past several years have been S&W Centennial Snubbies..
I never feel under gunned when I'm carrying them..
There just so handy to drop in your pocket in a pocket holster & are just too handy, I used to carry an Hk P7M8, Glock 19, SIG P225, P229 but after getting an Airweight Snub I've never carried anything else ever..
I fitted a 9mm 940-1 Cylinder to my 642 No Dash & have created a 942
BTW That's my Snubbie Club #942, I would have chosen 940 but it was already taken..
It can be swapped from 38spl to 9mm by just loostening the end shake screw & swaping the cylinder out.. I had to fit the ratchet to the existing hand & shim the cylinder via power custom end shake shims by .003" so that both cylinders are perfect..
As far as reloads when I carry extras I fit two together & drop them in my left hand pocket, a reload with these is a breaze..Just drop em in there.
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Old 06-18-2010, 21:27   #152
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8 shots 357 mag... nope not undergunned....
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Old 06-28-2010, 19:22   #153
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I'd like to change the question to: "Have you ever used a snubbie for self defense? If so, how did it turn out?" Everything else is conjecture.
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Old 07-14-2010, 20:19   #154
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A snubbie can't protect you ...you must have a 50 Cal. BMG..or a Missle strike ..If you are approached by Thugs...in a back ally...call in a air strike ..you can use your cell phone to call in the coordinates...next thing you know Sidewinders will take out the block...
Yep Snubbies don't work..
Nope a 357 Mag. with a 125gr. HP bullet scooting at over 1100 fps ..will simply bounce off a attacker..maybe leave a powder burn ..thats about it

Now if you have a piece of semiautomatic tupperware..you can take out a tank.....nuthin like plastic.....nope nuthin

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Old 07-14-2010, 21:09   #155
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no not me. i am ok with my moddel 60.
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:04   #156
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For me... I would much rather have my Glock19 with me all the time. But, situations dictate otherwise. If I can conceal my 19 I will, but in the summer heat, which means less clothing, for work, pants and tucked in shirt (polo) it really limits ones ability to conceal on the belt.

I have tried tucking and IWB with my Glock 26 and while it conceals, its a beeotch to get to in any kind of hurry. The thing is BURRIED by a shirt, and is cinched down by a good gun belt. I hate to admit it, but when you need your gun in a SD scenario, you need it like 30 seconds ago...

To me, this is where the cliche "software over hardware" comes into play. I would much rather be able to walk down a inner city street with my hand on my LCR in my pocket than a Glock pinned into my wardwrobe. Now in the cooler months its a sport coat and a Glock 19. But gues what, I will still have my snub on me b/c it may still be easier to access first in that situation. Its all about tactics sometimes when you have to make the compromise.

Summer its an LCR in the strongside pocket, and one on my ankle with a speedstrip back up just in case I need it.

I am confident in the caliber of .38 spl, just wished it offered up a few more rounds w/o the reload... I realize however, that like most things, nothing is perfect...hence the constant analysis of compromise

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Old 07-15-2010, 10:21   #157
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For me... I would much rather have my Glock19 with me all the time. But, situations dictate otherwise. If I can conceal my 19 I will, but in the summer heat, which means less clothing, for work, pants and tucked in shirt (polo) it really limits ones ability to conceal on the belt.

I have tried tucking and IWB with my Glock 26 and while it conceals, its a beeotch to get to in any kind of hurry. The thing is BURRIED by a shirt, and is cinched down by a good gun belt. I hate to admit it, but when you need your gun in a SD scenario, you need it like 30 seconds ago...

To me, this is where the cliche "software over hardware" comes into play. I would much rather be able to walk down a inner city street with my hand on my LCR in my pocket than a Glock pinned into my wardwrobe. Now in the cooler months its a sport coat and a Glock 19. But gues what, I will still have my snub on me b/c it may still be easier to access first in that situation. Its all about tactics sometimes when you have to make the compromise.

Summer its an LCR in the strongside pocket, and one on my ankle with a speedstrip back up just in case I need it.

I am confident in the caliber of .38 spl, just wished it offered up a few more rounds w/o the reload... I realize however, that like most things, nothing is perfect...hence the constant analysis of compromise

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Good post.
Sometimes it's all about getting the 'drop', something attainable with a pocket gun like the LCR or J frame.
All discussion about capacity/firepower is relevant, but pales next to the importance of being able to get to your weapon, and having one in the first place...a HUGE advantage over the average Joe.
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Old 08-17-2010, 16:30   #158
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Undergunned ? it depends on the defensive scenario that you are likely to encounter.

Notice I said "defensive". Some posts here I consider to be from an attackerīs stance. Personally, Iīm never going going on a SWAT mission or the like, and many LEOīs-- rightfully so--view their carry needs as such.

So for casual urban personal protection I donīt feel undergunned with my 340PD. I will be in disadvantage, my assailant will have made up his mind to attack me before I make up my mind to use deadly force on him. He has the luxury to fire indiscriminately, I have to watch out for bystanders and get a clear shot--I probably wont be making many of them for very long. And I have other options (get the hell out) if I can.

For field use and if I contemplate an ambush while driving in a rural area, or if I see myself a target of multiple assailants out in the open with few people around, and that somehow I might be trapped and forced into gunfighting, Iīll take at least my Glock 31 with +4 base clips and more mags to spare with me.
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Old 08-17-2010, 22:54   #159
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A Ruger SP101 is my edc carry in a fanny pack. I am an amputee and runaround in a handicapped controled van and a allwheel drive scooter with nice size tires and wheels that came with it. Glock26z
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Summer its an LCR in the strongside pocket, and one on my ankle with a speedstrip back up just in case I need it.

I am confident in the caliber of .38 spl, just wished it offered up a few more rounds w/o the reload... I realize however, that like most things, nothing is perfect...hence the constant analysis of compromise

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You do realize an LCP only holds a couple more rounds topped off than most snubbies right?
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