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Old 01-14-2011, 19:05   #761
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My brother-in-law was closing up the Walgreen's store where he is the manager, when a young punk came up behind him and put a gun to his head. He was forced to go inside, unlock the safe, give the punk all the money- all while on his knees and begging for his life. The punk told said he knew my bro-in-law had kids and that he didn't care- he'd kill him if didn't stop fumbling with the lock. Only by luck and willpower was he able to stop shaking enough to open it. The punk took the money and let him live. When I saw him that night he grabbed me, gave me a hug, and said, "I thought I would never see you again."

I carry everywhere. Taking out the garbage. Walking the dog. Cleaning the gutters. Mowing the lawn. Running outside in my pajamas to get the mail.

On that day, evil showed that it doesn't care if you are an awesome father, a truly nice person, and a great brother. Evil will take your life if you aren't prepared to stop it.

That's one of the moments that made me a believer in CCW.
Does your brother-in-law CCW now in the aftermath of this?
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:54   #762
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I hope so. He's not a GT'er though.
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Old 01-15-2011, 08:11   #763
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When I know that all the bad guys have guns and no permit. And most of the good guys have guns... some with permit, some without. So many people are packing and they are all around me. Then, why should I not get one, too. Thus, I believe it was to get a CCW so that I can at least have something legal to say that I am allowed to carry. Of course my 12 gauge at home make me feel better, too.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:33   #764
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I am a member of a popular RVing forum and their philosophy seems to be mainly... I keep safe by keeping aware of what's going on around me. To which I responded, that's what I thought until I had a revolver stuck in my nose just outside of Disney in Orlando; and had an attempted home invasion at 3 a.m. by two druggies with guns who were trying to pry open my front door although the alarm was going and the lights were flashing.... and the doors were HALF GLASS.

My words to the 911 operator? "Sweetheart, if these guys come through my door and enter my home uninvited at 3 a.m. they are leaving it one way and one way only and that is feet first". The LEO's arrived just in time to take them down at gunpoint (we are talking HEAVY gunpoint here). I would not have hesitated for one second to take them out - the blood spatter would have been on the inside of my hallway. Case closed.

More importantly than "when did you start carrying and why" would be "what are your rules of engagement, do you practice them and are you prepared to carry them out?". I my case, they are very clear cut. As Ayoob says "If I am in fear of imminent grievous personal harm or death to myself or my loved ones (I am entitled to use lethal force)" my rules of engagement have been reached and I, by practice, would not hesitate for one fraction of a second in stopping the assault/threat. Once the threat is stopped, you MUST be prepared to stop or face the consequences of your actions.

I practice regularly, play IPSC and am ready at all times to protect what I hold dear.

When did I decide to start carrying? The very first time that my life was directly threatened and I had no recourse and no gun. I will not visit Florida again until they recognize non-resident permits.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:27   #765
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When I was about 5, my parents were victims of an attempted mugging in a parking garage.

A few years later my mom was robbed of her purse and jewelry in the hallway of our local mall.

I stopped an attempted home invasion while visiting my parents - but was only carrying because I was test-driving how my buddy's G23 felt, that he was trying to sell me (it would be my first Glock). It not only made my decision, but changed my entire family's decision (brother, sister in law, etc) who were all anti's until that day. They demanded that I leave my gun in the car, which I obviously refused. After I chased off the BG who was kicking at their front door, the first words out of their mouths was "where's your gun?"
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:52   #766
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I like what a previous poster said which was:

A gentleman should carry a loaded gun.

I am in my 26th year of a Law Enforcment career. I have had contact with thousands of people and arrested and put lots of people in jail . I have sent people to prison for years and I know sometime they are going to get out. (Some won't ever but I worry about thier friends)

We live in a dangerous time in a very dangerous world. If you are not prepared you are letting yourself and your friends and family down .
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:52   #767
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And that's always the way isn't it? My cousins used to "tsk.tsk.tsk" me when I told them we had guns. Until the neighbor was killed during a home invasion. I think the quiety went out and bought a shotgun.
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Old 01-15-2011, 23:38   #768
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defining moments

I joined the us air force in1942, they issued me a 1911 45 acp auto. I have been carrying the same kind ever since. its just like the watch on my arm I feel lost with out it.I have two things I am very serious about, MY GOD and my gun,my GOD is first but i always carry my gun
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Old 01-27-2011, 18:37   #769
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My wife and I were eating supper at a pizza hut in a little North Florida town. I notice a guy circling the restaurant looking into the windows, had an AK on his gun rack in his truck. He kept circling and looking. I went to the counter and was not at all surprised to learn it was an angry ex-boyfriend of a waitress. I told my wife to go to the ladies restroom and not to come out until it was all over. I asked the manager to call the law. The guy circles for another 10 minutes and leaves right before the law gets there. I was unarmed and helpless and vowed I would not be stuck in a potential shooting box with no way to defend myself again.
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Old 01-28-2011, 02:44   #770
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I didn't really have a defining moment. I've just been waiting for the right time to come. I've had my Glock 22 for 10 years now. Back then, I was going to get my CCW but where I lived, you pretty much had to have death threats against you in order to get one. So I just kept the G22 around for target practice and getting rid of coons in my mom's barn on occasion.

Just this year, Iowa passed the "shall issue" law. I'm going next month to take the class then apply for my permit.

With the way things are going on in the world, who knows when something bad will happen? I live in the second largest city in Iowa. Pretty small for a city but they call this "Little Chicago". A lot of gang and drug activity around. I work the midnight shift and sleep during the day. So I'm out and about in the evenings and at night most of the time.

Another reason to carry is what I do for a living. I work security at a fairly large hospital. We have three psych units here. I deal with psych patients, drug users, criminals and other not so nice people. I get threatened all the time by these people. Just recently, a female co-worker of mine was confronted by a previous psych patient at a convenience store. She had to deal with while that person when they were a patient here and they remembered her. Luckily nothing happened but she did get PD involved. I'm just waiting for time time when I come across someone that I've pissed off while I'm out in public somewhere.

We do wear bullet proof vests at work but no weapons besides our ASP batons and pepper spray. Wish they would let us carry at work. Our vests do work though, got to test one out with my G22. A few years ago, we got new vests and our supervisor gave me an old vest to test out. 10 feet away with my G22 and 165 grain target rounds. The vest had no problem stopping them.
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Old 01-28-2011, 03:10   #771
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My dad was a missionary/evangelist, and while he didn't believe self-defense was wrong, he didn't carry a gun (we had plenty, but not for defense). He did, however, end up in several incidents where I would have DEFINITELY used one (one involved our crazy neighbor holding a deer rifle at my dad's head and screaming that he was going to kill him... just for an example). Dad was always calm as ever in those situations, and he never got hurt. Unfortunately... I'm not my dad, so after seeing things like that and watching the world change as I grew up, I decided to start carrying a gun as soon as I could.

Like most of you, I hope I never have to use it, but I made it to the point in my mind that I won't hesitate if I need to. It took some explaining to some other members of the family (considering their "non-violent" style), but they've come around to the idea that even though they might not be violent, other people sure are....

Ah well. Convincing others is a never-ending process.
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Ha, yeah, that would be pretty stupid. Not sure if it was real or not but I have seen some youtube videos of idiots doing just that.

Years ago, I worked security at a shopping mall. One of the stores was throwing away an old mannequin torso made of dense foam. So that's what I put the vest on. None of the bullets went through but it sure did leave some deep dents in the foam. Its funny in the movies when you see someone get shot who is wearing a bullet proof vest and they get up and act like nothing happened. I bet in real life, you could possibly have broken ribs and some huge bruises from being shot with a vest.
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Old 01-28-2011, 09:14   #773
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I obtained my CPL first when my son was born, I always thought about me being a little under 6 feet tall and about 150 Lbs, that my self alone would not be able to protect my son, wife and myself against a larger assailant. So I started carrying my Glock with me but not ALWAYS, Sometimes I would use the excuse "Oh I'm only out for a few minutes I don't need it" until a Police Officer was shot and killed down the street from my house by a home invasion suspect that they had been following. That really hit close to home. My uncle was a homicide detective for 20 years. I am also trying to pursue a career in law enforcement, so this event encourages me to carry everyday where ever legal and allowed in order to protect my family.

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Old 02-02-2011, 14:06   #774
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I had been thinking about getting a gun for a long time. Last year there was a guy that broke into a house in my neighborhood and attacked the guy living there with a knife. He said he was looking for his ex-wife or something. It was just some nut. This neighborhood is very safe and I had never heard of that happening here before. Well, the guy left for some reason and the cops came and had the helicopters and dogs looking for him. They never found him.

I have a young kid. I don't want to be in some fight with someone in my home and risk my child getting hurt. If someone breaks in, I'll give them one chance to leave or my Glock 23 will make sure they're not doing anyone any harm.

As for CCW, I had a friend that was held up while going to an event in town. When I'm away from home and outside my element (and more in someone else's), I want something to give me an edge to protect myself so that my child continues to have a father in their life. But, I think the incident last year really got me motivated to get a gun and then CCW was just a natural extension of owning one for me. Of course, I missed the class this last weekend, but should have the class completed soon and have my license in hand within a couple months.
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Old 02-04-2011, 16:35   #775
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Old 02-04-2011, 17:51   #776
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Old 02-05-2011, 18:43   #777
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Hi Everyone,

(First post on glocktalk, glad to be a member of such an exciting forum).

As a "recovering liberal" who until very recently had no interest in owning / carrying a handgun (or any weapon for that matter), I want to add my own "eureka" moment to this thread.

Three things happened within the span of a year that really turned around my attitudes regarding guns, gun ownership, and concealed carry. Thankfully, none of them involved me being attacked or otherwise harmed. Rather:

1. I became a father of a wonderful son. Those of you who are fathers understand this transition. Everything changes, and you realize that this child relies on you to protect him. He has no natural defenses. He's totally reliant on you. This will focus your mind like nothing else.

2. I read a copy of James Gilligan's "Violence: Our Deadly Epidemic and its Causes", and realized that in its current form, The US is is a veritable "violence factory" in terms of inducing violence in others. Furthermore, the words of the death-row inmates regarding their need to kill and harm really put the fear in me.

Although these were compelling experiences, they were still in the "abstract" in the sense that nothing had happened within my own day-to-day activities to change my mind. Until:

3. I pulled up my neighborhood on the website [URL]http://www.crimereports.com[/URL] and saw that there was a breaking-and-entering in a house 3 houses down from mine! Egads! The total number of violent crimes in the area was also quite shocking! I couldn't believe it (for the record, I live just north of Atlanta, in one of the little suburb towns).

At that point, these three things crystallized together in my mind: you are a father, there is danger out there, and that danger is not abstract - it's real, and it's in your neighborhood.

Thus, I purchased a Glock 31, completed the NRA's "First Shots" pistol course (and plan on getting lots more training), and completed my CCW paperwork as of this past Friday. These are the first steps in my efforts to increase overall home security to protect my family.

I highly recommend the book and website I referenced above. Read the book, put your neighborhood in the website and see what comes up, and think about that violence knocking on your doorstep.

Given the state of our economy, the total lack of foresight and courage of vision from our leaders, and the intent of the Federal Reserve to destroy the economy to save the banks, I fear that violence will only increase substantially in the coming years. You should prepare yourself. If you are on the fence about carrying, I hope my experience helps you to make a better decision.

Good luck!
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Old 02-05-2011, 22:56   #778
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Hello all.
I decided to CCW when I returned from Kuwait in '01. While over there I saw just how low the human species can stoop. While we are very dissimilar in many ways, we are a lot alike as well. I personally feel it is a duty of responsible individuals to carry, if not only to protect themselves but, others as well if needed.
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Old 02-08-2011, 08:38   #779
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the reason I will carry

About 6 weeks ago, I was surfing the web and my wife was asleep. It was late, around 12:45am and I decided to go to bed. At that time, someone started beating at my front door and ringing the door bell over and over.

This startled me, ticked me off and woke up my wife. She pleaded with me not to answer the door. I listened to her and looked out of the window and saw 2 guys wearing hooded sweatshirts. I told my wife to call 911.

I saw them walk to their car and then they came back beating on the door again. This time I answered him through the door. The conversation went something like this:

Me: "Who the ?#" is it ?"
Unknown: "It's Frank"
Me: "I don't know you, what do you want?"
Unknown: "I'm looking for "Q""
Me.: "You have the wrong house"
Unknown: "Are you sure?"
Me: "Yes. I'm sure get the ?#$#% off of my property"
Unknown: "We'll be back"

My wife was distraught and I was more mad than scared. Six minutes later the cops showed up and we gave them as many details as we could and they said to call back, if there were any more problems.

At that moment, it dawned on me that while the cops do a great job, I can not always depend on 911 when it comes to protecting my family and home. Had these guys tried to kick in the door, I would have had to defend my self with a 9 iron...not the most effective weapon.

The next day I went to the gun store and purchased an xdm 40, a box of ammo and taught myself the basics of gun safety and handling from youtube.

Since then, I have taken an intro to firearms course and have gone to the range at least once every week or 2. Last week, I rented a Glock 27 after watching some of Hickock45s videos. I loved the feel of it from the moment I picked it up. Four days ago, I purchased one and will be going to a chl class within the next week or 2.

I am now a firm believer that the safety and protection of yourself and loved ones rests with you. I hope that I never have to use it but it's somewhat comforting to know that I can defend myself and family should I need to.
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My "Moment"--

May 2007--Just picked my daughter up from pre-school. We were just getting ready to pull into our drive. I noticed an unfamiliar man walking down the sidewalk in our neighborhood. Just as my daughter and I were getting out of the car, this man walks up to us--close. He starts some stuff about being a disabled vet and needing money. And he kept looking at my daughter. I told him I didn't carry cash and couldn't help him. All the while I was trying to plan what to do. At one point he put one of his hands under his shirt. My only plan was to take my car key between my fingers and get him in the neck with it. He kept talking and I kept saying no. And finally I had my daughter behind me and just walked toward the front door--and he just walked away. After that I told myself that I would never be in a situation where I felt like my ***** was hanging in the wind.
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