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Old 09-01-2007, 23:31   #51
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I was robbed at gunpoint at work. Pretty scary stuff, I actually had to have a seat afterwards because I almost fainted. Luckily nobody was hurt. This experience sparked my interest in firearms. Though these kind of situations are probably rare, I feel better having a gun at my side. A CCW gives everday good people a figthing chance when otherwise left at a criminals mercy. It's a great right to have indeed.
Damn right! The scary part is the citizens that get a CCW and never practice after that...
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Old 09-01-2007, 23:42   #52
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My right to privacy, my eligibility for CCW and being discreet, i.e. my customers may not feel comfortable if they knew I carried a gun. And there's no benefit for me in testing those waters with them.
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Old 09-01-2007, 23:56   #53
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Damn right! The scary part is the citizens that get a CCW and never practice after that...
I agree with you 100%, I always try to encourage people who have choosen to arm themselves, either CCW or for home defense, that thier responsabilty didn't end with the purchase, or certificate. And that being a responsable gun owner means taking the time to train on a consistant basis.
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Old 09-02-2007, 00:08   #54
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Yep, it's staged. If you go to the website in the upper-right corner of the video, it states that they had the idea, and set it up after about 10 minutes of planning.

And all I kept thinking when I was watching it was about all the opportunities he had to run/call the police. But come on, it was still pretty funny!
I couldn't find where they told about the staged planning on that web site. Either way, there were plenty of mongrel idiots that were lapping it up like it was the coolest thing, according to the comments I read on YouTube. If some of those morons are watching the video and making it their "defining moment" for CCW, then it gets un-funny real fast.

No flame intended, grishnav. Just sounding off...again.
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Old 09-02-2007, 00:23   #55
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:04   #56
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No real defining moment, happened over time.

About 12 years ago, I was awakened to someone trying to break into the house. I loaded up a shotgun and would likely would have shot him if he made it through the window before the police got there.

Also, sold a guy an old car once, and he later called saying it broke down on him, and that I owed him something. I offered to pay for parts, he wanted cash, so I began to suspect a different need for the money (based on other details I won't get into). He claimed to have some "connections", and that I would be getting a visit from them. Scared the hell out of me. Again, felt much better with a shotgun in the house.

These and other smaller incidents got me thinking more seriously about personal protection, self defense training, etc., but I never considered CCW an option. I somehow got the impression that this privelege was reserved for others with a greater need. Man, I was blind.

I eventually moved, and had to find a new barber. Turned out he also had an FFL, and we discussed hunting, firearms, etc. Eventually a discussion of CCW came up. I leared from him that all I had to do was apply with the local Sheriff and take his class. I learned our Sheriff was very much in favor of a responsibly armed citizen. Totally changed my outlook. I received my permit in April of this year. I joined a club with a private indoor range about 45 minutes away where I can practice. I've read books on the issue and became an NRA member. I've also learned that many good people in this state (Iowa is "may issue") do not enjoy the privilege of the 2A, simply because their local Sheriff does not want them armed.

Needless to say, I've become very interested in the political side of things, and much more aware of how our personal freedoms have been eroded. Too many men have died to obtain and preserve our freedom for me to just sit around and watch them slip away.

Sorry for the lengthy post. Once I got started I just couldn't stop.
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Old 09-02-2007, 14:13   #57
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As others have said, there was no real defining moment.


One moment was when a neighbor tried to break into my parent's and I's home when I was just a little boy and having that feeling of helplessness.

Another moment was watching a video of individuals beat a truck driver into senselessness with a fire extinguisher in sociology in highschool. (This one is probably the closest to the defining moment. I watched that and kept thinking "If I was there, I could've helped him. Maybe I'd get hurt, but I'd still be helping him." I guess you'd say that's also when the seeds of wanting to be a cop were sewn.)

Another moment was working at the police department and while at the grocery store in my off hours having a guy come up and try to pick a fight with me because I was the one he gave the money to when he paid his ticket (I was a dispatcher and accepted money for fines for the court).

I already had a pistol when that last ordeal happened, but I came home after that and searched the internet until I found CCW classes fairly close to home.
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Old 09-02-2007, 14:14   #58
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I couldn't find where they told about the staged planning on that web site.
In the upper-right corner of the video itself is a small text-box with the text "wittkopp.net". Browse to http://wittkopp.net/ for the (brief) discussion.

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Either way, there were plenty of mongrel idiots that were lapping it up like it was the coolest thing, according to the comments I read on YouTube. If some of those morons are watching the video and making it their "defining moment" for CCW, then it gets un-funny real fast.
I would venture to guess that all of the idiots on youtube have never handled a gun and aren't licensed (if applicable) to carry. Most of them are in there early teens, and still have many years ahead of being stupid and irresponsible (likely, largely before they can legally purchase a firearm). They are also likely the vocal minority: After all, did you post a comment saying what happened was inappropriate, irresponsible, and criminal? I know I didn't...

Once you actually do choose to take on the responsibility of owning (and carrying) a firearm, the gravity of it becomes much more intense, and your outlook tends to change. Often rapidly.

The other small percentage are either irresponsible or criminal (or both), and this video isn't going to inspire them to do something stupid/criminal they wouldn't have eventually ended up doing anyway.

It's good that your sense of responsible ownership compels you to react so strongly, but suspend it for a moment (just like you would for a big Hollywood movie in a theater), and it's actually pretty funny. Well, according to my sense of humor, anyway. We all have different tastes.

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In the upper-right corner of the video itself is a small text-box with the text "wittkopp.net". Browse to http://wittkopp.net/ for the (brief) discussion.



I would venture to guess that all of the idiots on youtube have never handled a gun and aren't licensed (if applicable) to carry. Most of them are in there early teens, and still have many years ahead of being stupid and irresponsible (likely, largely before they can legally purchase a firearm). They are also likely the vocal minority: After all, did you post a comment saying what happened was inappropriate, irresponsible, and criminal? I know I didn't...

Once you actually do choose to take on the responsibility of owning (and carrying) a firearm, the gravity of it becomes much more intense, and your outlook tends to change. Often rapidly.

The other small percentage are either irresponsible or criminal (or both), and this video isn't going to inspire them to do something stupid/criminal they wouldn't have eventually ended up doing anyway.

It's good that your sense of responsible ownership compels you to react so strongly, but suspend it for a moment (just like you would for a big Hollywood movie in a theater), and it's actually pretty funny. Well, according to my sense of humor, anyway. We all have different tastes.



It's all good.
Yeah, all's well that ends well. If I were them, I would've shown some of the footage of them laughing about it at the end. That would've "made" the video for me. I was probably more ticked off that I was sort of believing it was real up to a certain point--I think the "aha" moment was when the hicks were talking to the girl in the car. Something didn't seem right. Whatever. I'm not the sharpest of minds.

Also, I'm apparently not too plugged into the YouTube audience. I've spent some time watching stuff there, but I rarely read the comments, and this was one of the few times I actually read comments.
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I decided to carry because of rival drug dealers.
That was a long time ago.
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Old 09-02-2007, 17:54   #62
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I was living in Texas at the time of the Luby's massacre in Kileen.

Later as a result of my business, I was concerned over implied threats by others. (Concealed carry was not legal then.)

As time went on, family came, and a growing sense of the need to assume the responsibility for one's self-defense led to support of NM's CCW efforts.

Again, a really ugly business dispute on behalf of a client, lead to more veiled threates by one party who had a history of violence.

So a sense of the obligation to provide my own defense, along with life offering a few hints I should, led to my obtaining a CCW shortly after it became legal.
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Old 09-02-2007, 20:02   #63
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However, have you considered buying a used Glock? CDNN has used 17, 19, 21, 22, and 23's very reasonably priced. Frequently with night sights! The used is uaually just as good as new, they rarely have more then a few thousand rounds through them, and knowing some cops I would say many have less than a thousand rounds total. Big savings for a gun almost equal. (4 of my Glocks are used).
The savings can go into good carry leather or extra magazines.
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Old 09-02-2007, 20:05   #64
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My Dad was killed in a burglery when I was young. I have always CCW. The general trends in the last 20 years have only solidified my resolve.
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However, have you considered buying a used Glock? CDNN has used 17, 19, 21, 22, and 23's very reasonably priced. Frequently with night sights! The used is uaually just as good as new, they rarely have more then a few thousand rounds through them, and knowing some cops I would say many have less than a thousand rounds total. Big savings for a gun almost equal. (4 of my Glocks are used).
The savings can go into good carry leather or extra magazines.
One thing to realize is that the N/S will probably be pretty dim. Don't buy them solely on them having N/S at a good price.
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One thing to realize is that the N/S will probably be pretty dim. Don't buy them solely on them having N/S at a good price.
Not necessarily true. One of my glocks was a 1992 manufacture. Its sights are dim but still working at a servicable level of brightness in 2007. I have had it sine 1998.
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Not necessarily true. One of my glocks was a 1992 manufacture. Its sights are dim but still working at a servicable level of brightness in 2007. I have had it sine 1998.
I don't know what servicable is to you, but I was simply saying that the buy shouldn't be surprized if they are. I think that 15 years for "servicable" brightness is pretty uncommon.
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My Dad was killed in a burglery when I was young. I have always CCW. The general trends in the last 20 years have only solidified my resolve.
Sorry to hear that. What a lousy thing to have happen as a kid.
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:22   #69
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Oddly enough, I was in a robbery in a Taco Bell 20 some years ago. Nobody hurt, guy hopped over the counter with a shotgun, and after threatening to shoot the girl for not opening the safe, waited for the timelock safe to open before taking the money and running. Took about 20 min or so. Once he realized the safe wouldn't open for 15 min, and nobody was challenging him, he became quite amicable. Let us all sit down to enjoy our meals. Threw me some hot sauce packets for my meal. Another guy came in the store, robber demanded money. The guy had like 99 cents on him... "What, did you come in her eto rob the place too?"... Ended up giving the 99c guy a 10 spot out of the register, saying "you need this more than I do". Bizarre. Maybe that's why it wasn't that traumatic to me. The initial VERY tense situation calmed way down waiting for the safe to open. It was obvious he wasn't going to harm anyone after the initial threats to try to get the girl to open the safe, once he was clowning around. Prior to that, if I had a permit and was armed, I would have been happy to blast him when he was going over the counter, back turned to me (long line of customers, he couldn't help turning his back to someone), shotgun pointed at the ceiling before he threateded the girl about opening the safe.

At the time Mich was "may issue" and you couldn't get a permit unless you had connections. But 20 years later, when Mich went "shall issue", I honestly never thought of that incident when getting the permit.

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I just got tired of being scared. So I decided to educate myself in the ways that were available for me to keep myself safe and take ownership of my own life.

Background (in very very brief). Ten years ago I divorced my first husband. He was extremely abusive. Abusive to the point that ten years later I still fight the physical effects of what he did to me. Right after I left him I lived in constant fear that he would find me and that he would kill me. Ten years later I still wake up in the night terrified. Carrying a weapon and sleeping with one near my bed has made my nights much more restful because I know that if the worst should happen and he should find me, whether my new husband is home or not, I will survive the encounter if it is at all possible to do so.
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im still quite young and i havent had any traumatic experiences to make me desire to carry. but ever since i was a little kid ive been fascinated by guns and always thought in the right hands they are useful tools. growing up with antis for parents and brother (although all claim to be conservatives) i was kind of the odd ball but my interest in firearms never went away and i decided when i first learned i could carry a firearm legally i wanted to do just that. ohio didnt get concealed carry until 2003 but i still had 3 years before i could get my license. i bought my g19 on my 21st bday and took my classes when the chance came around.
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im still quite young and i havent had any traumatic experiences to make me desire to carry. but ever since i was a little kid ive been fascinated by guns and always thought in the right hands they are useful tools. growing up with antis for parents and brother (although all claim to be conservatives) i was kind of the odd ball but my interest in firearms never went away and i decided when i first learned i could carry a firearm legally i wanted to do just that. ohio didnt get concealed carry until 2003 but i still had 3 years before i could get my license. i bought my g19 on my 21st bday and took my classes when the chance came around.
This is a stretch, but I'd say your defining moment was learning that you could legally carry a concealed firearm.

I've always thought that you only get two chances to decide to CCW -- before the need arises, and after the need arises. I either read that somewhere, or it just occurred to me. Probably the former.

Great gun choice, by the way. I'm walking in your footsteps...

This has been a great thread.
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Grew up around LO, father is a DEA agent and my Grandpa was a FBI Agent. I work loss prevention for a major department store (hints the username), and have just started to work as a Patrol Officer for a local housing Authority, going to school to become a Police officer.
Shoplifters usually don’t like to be caught. Will never forget the time I caught a girl who’s family just moved to the Midwest due to Katrina. She was very rough and you could tell she did not have a good home life. Her Family where all either in prison or wanted for major felony warrants. She told me that she would have her people take care of me and she was not joking. Later that night there was a car filled with her “Crew” with Bats and guns just waiting for me to come outside. Little did they know my office is a 100,000 dollar camera room and I could tell what they where up to before I left the building. The local law enforcement had there hands full with all of them. No doubt in my mind that if I would have walked outside without knowing they where there I would not be here today!

A year before this incident another good friend working loss prevention got into a scuffle with a shoplifter in the parking lot. When he was down on the ground fighting with the lifter, the lifters getaway ride driver jumped out of a car and placed a pistol against his head and told him to let his friend go or DIE. The only reason he did not shoot is because he would have also shot his friend. The lifter was released and they took off. They where later involved with a shoot out with local PD. Before the shoplifters hit our store they robbed a local DQ and killed two employees’ working there.

So needless to say I have been waiting for my 23rd birthday. Got a G23 for my 21st birthday and cant wait to carry.

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Grew up around LO, father is a DEA agent and my Grandpa was a FBI Agent. I work loss prevention for a major department store (hints the username), and have just started to work as a Patrol Officer for a local housing Authority, going to school to become a Police officer.
Shoplifters usually don’t like to be caught. Will never forget the time I caught a girl who’s family just moved to the Midwest due to Katrina. She was very rough and you could tell she did not have a good home life. Her Family where all either in prison or wanted for major felony warrants. She told me that she would have her people take care of me and she was not joking. Later that night there was a car filled with her “Crew” with Bats and guns just waiting for me to come outside. Little did they know my office is a 100,000 dollar camera room and I could tell what they where up to before I left the building. The local law enforcement had there hands full with all of them. No doubt in my mind that if I would have walked outside without knowing they where there I would not be here today!

A year before this incident another good friend working loss prevention got into a scuffle with a shoplifter in the parking lot. When he was down on the ground fighting with the lifter, the lifters getaway ride driver jumped out of a car and placed a pistol against his head and told him to let his friend go or DIE. The only reason he did not shoot is because he would have also shot his friend. The lifter was released and they took off. They where later involved with a shoot out with local PD. Before the shoplifters hit our store they robbed a local DQ and killed two employees’ working there.

So needless to say I have been waiting for my 23rd birthday. Got a G23 for my 21st birthday and cant wait to carry.

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Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you're still here with us. Good luck on the police-officer schooling.
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Thanks for sharing. I'm glad you're still here with us. Good luck on the police-officer schooling.
Thanks a lot, it's my dream job.



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