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Old 07-16-2008, 00:34   #381
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I got a CHL simply because it leaves less room for legal problems. In addition, it is nice to know you have something that shows you have a clean background.
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Old 07-16-2008, 02:39   #382
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Arc Angel,

Have you tried to get your wife involved in any of the NRA women on target events? Every woman I've talked to that's attended one has had a blast!
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Old 07-16-2008, 03:46   #383
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You know, Travis, I never would have thought of that!

Quite honestly, once again, I'm beginning to be concerned about her personal safety. During the first year after the attack she took self-defense and combat pistol shooting very seriously - Even insisting that I take her to the range with me and keep on training her. (Which I did; and, she was really doing well for awhile there, too.)

However, in the ensuing two years, things have calmed down; and she has returned to being very lax about her personal security. I think I'm going to take your advice and look into some of the NRA's training programs for women - Something which I, myself, never would have thought of.

Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 07-17-2008, 00:01   #384
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A point you ought to bring up to her is that if she's gonna be lax, it's time that she starts either leaving the gun at home, or in a lock box bolted to the floor in her car. Getting mugged would be bad, but being mugged and shot with your own gun because you armed the criminal would be a damn sight worse.
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Old 07-18-2008, 22:15   #385
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I got my CHL (Texas) with my dad. The main reason I got it was so I could carry in my truck back and forth from Texas to Oklahoma, to and from the farm. I grew up around guns and have had a lot of them. I never really thought about keeping one on my person all of the time. Then recent events around the Dallas area, stories in the news, etc. Then I found out that I am going to be a dad. The weekend that my wife told me we were at the family farm and I had to run off a trespasser. Everything was a little different, this is something that I never gave a second thought to. Then I got to thinking about Tyler Durden's sig line. Why am I not carying my sidearm? I have the choice, I have the permit, I have the experience, I have the responsibility to myself and my family. I am now carying and plan to get a new Glock 27 next weekend to make it a little easier, I am 6' 2" and 165# so my Kimber 1911 is a little hard to conceal and I sold my G23 years ago when I was in a bind, and the Ruger stays in the truck at all times. Thanks Tyler!
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Old 07-19-2008, 05:00   #386
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Arc Angel, A point you ought to bring up to her is that if she's gonna be lax, it's time that she starts either leaving the gun at home, or in a lock box bolted to the floor in her car. Getting mugged would be bad, but being mugged and shot with your own gun because you armed the criminal would be a damn sight worse.
Oh, I don't have to ask her to leave her (expensive) revolver at home because she's, now, doing that anyway! The oft heard complaint is; 'It's too heavy for me; and, I don't like carrying it around!'

Let me tell you: The night she almost got carjacked, she came home terrified - absolutely terrified! This was within a year, or two, of another incident where my wife became involved in the aftermath of a bloody gun store robbery. (She actually took off her blouse in order to bandage the profusely bleeding head of the gun shop's owner!)

For about 6 months after the carjacking incident, she was very keen on self-defense. She wanted a gun; she wanted to carry a gun; and, she demanded that I train her. For the record I didn't just teach her how to shoot. (Something she's always been pretty good at anyway!) I taught her proper gun handling and self-defense behaviors, too.

For several months we did great together; and, I was glad she had finally caught onto the concept of protecting herself; but, then, her employer passed around a memorandum requiring everyone in the building to sign a statement not to bring a firearm onto the company premises.

Well, that finished my wife's brief flirtation with handgun self-defense. After she stopped carrying that revolver she has never taken it up again. I've heard all the excuses: 'It weighs a ton!' 'It takes up too much room in my purse!' 'It makes me look fat when I put it on my belt!' And, my own personal favorite; 'What do I need a gun for?' 'I've got you!' (I wasn't there when the gun shop was robbed! Neither was I present when she, almost, got carjacked.)

True, I did train my wife to drive a stick shift. (That's hard to do!) I did get her to memorize Cooper's Four Firearm Safety Rules; but, I may have to, 'bite the bullet' on this one. I might not be the best person to try and teach my wife handgun self-defense. Knowing you should do something, tacitly agreeing with your spouse that you should, and actually doing it are just not the same. On the plus side, she doesn't go out in the evening, anymore, without taking me and my G-21 along.

(I, still, like your idea about contacting Woman's Training at the NRA. We might actually do that!)
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Old 07-20-2008, 20:45   #387
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Well my reason first and foremost is because I can. I live in East Tennessee, meth capitol of the US. I am in the woods about every other day at least, in remote places alot, etc. I am aware we have some jacked up retards running around here who will start a fight with you over a friendly hello. Another big thing to encourage such was when I was in school at NTI in North Carolina. There was alot of crime down there especially near Charlotte. I worked for one of the Ford dealers in the area in the collision center and it wasn't unusual to see some car come in with bullet holes in it. In every single one I saw minus a bloodied up drug deal car gone wrong the shootings were never provoked. Just someone sitting in traffic minding their own business when SHTF. I saw the luckiest guy ever down there as well. He was setting in traffic in a Dodge Ram 1500. Some "gangstas" rolled up next to him firing a single 12 gauge slug into the passenger door of the car. The man's center armrest was folded down and the frame of it is about an inch wide heavy piece of steel. That slug cut through the doorskin, panel, and with all the blessings of the Lord landed dead center on that big heavy armrest frame,a mere 1 inch wide, bringing it to a dead stop. If that man didn't have his rest down or the shooter had fired just 1 inch high or low the man's lower torso would have been blasted all over the interior of that truck. But the Father was watching his back that day and instead of a trip in a body bag he just had to drive a rental car for a week. So I will be exercising my right to the fullest.
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Old 07-22-2008, 22:59   #388
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I live in the inner city (Philadelphia, PA), and thugs, robbers, and psychos are everywhere.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:10   #389
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I've enjoyed shooting and hunting most of my life. I also did a 4 year stint in the US Army Infantry. I even enjoy collecting firearms. Then the school shooting and the highly publicized shootings started to become more prevalent. I thought to myself "what if something like that were to happen when I was around and I didn't have one of my firearms on me to prevent it"? I went and got my Michigan CPL and bought a Glock 36 as my carry gun. I wanted something I didn't have to think about other than "point and shoot".
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Old 07-23-2008, 23:01   #390
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I live in the inner city (Philadelphia, PA), and thugs, robbers, and psychos are everywhere.
Quit voting for them.
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:32   #391
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Craziness

Dont have a defining moment to share (thank God). Eventhough we live in a quiet/gated subdivision, there is a sense of uneasiness I get sometimes. Last year, for example, a man two cul de sacs behind us was shot while repairing his fence. The shot was fired from across the creek which separates our neighborhood w/the main streets. Shooter was never found.
Also the police chopper was flying around our neighborhood a few weeks ago for about thirty minutes. Turns out someone robbed the Valero that is outside the neighborhood and he was seen running inside the community. He probably ran to the last street in the subdivision and leaped the fence. Never found.
On top of that, there are atleast two vacant houses in the area that have been broken into. One person was caught while looking around DURING THE DAY.
Also some unwanted people have moved into the subdivision. They dont live immediately near me, but our association has a website and neighbors complain about them constantly. They are not violent (yet) just immature and play their music loudly at night and park in front of other peoples homes often blocking the driveway. When they are asked to move their cars, they take forever and peel out as if to make a statement.
Finally and most important, I work graveyard (11pm-7am). While I am at work, my wife and three kids are home alone. I cant be everywhere at once and my wife refuses to handle a gun. So as for their safety at home while Im away we have an alarm, two dead bolts on each door and a "watchdog." When I get home I feel better knowing I can protect them w/my gun. I have a CHL & G23 and carry where it is legal. At work it is posted no firearms allowed. blah blah blah. Once I get the SOB holster i ordered, i will carry at all times. I pray I never have to unholster it for defensive purposes...
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:34   #392
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I April of 1992 I was a young, dumb college student in L.A. when the entire area erupted with the Rodney King Riots. Being a life long hunter/shooter I was very familiar wit guns, but had never owned anything in the "defensive" category. I ended up driving around LA for a few weeks with a Marlin lever action .22 rifle IN THE TRUNK! My roomate rode next to me with a hunting knife.

I friend at college ALWAYS carried a fanny pack with a Glock 19. On campus, at the frat house, EVERYWHERE. I thought this was the coolest thing I had seen and it really played to my philosophy of "Never Be a Victim!" I saved up that summer and bought a Bersa .380. Soon thereafter I made the jump to a SIG 228 in 9mm. Then a Glock 23, 27, 19, 21... until i now have a safe full of good friends and am NEVER unarmed. I am a full-time stte LEO and love the fact that even in my socialist state I can carry wherever, whenever I want.

Last May I was in the People's Republic of San Francisco while my wife attended a conference. I left our swanky hotel to run across the street to a Walgreens late at night. I was fumbling with change and bags whle leaving the store and turned down a request from a hobo for a donation. As I was walking along the dark sidewalk, I passed a BMA wearing all black and a dew rag, leaning against a pole listening to his Ipod. 50 yards later I turned to look behind me (a LE habit now) and just happened to see the guy coming at me in a full out sprint. I was the only person in sight. I grabbed the Glock 21 under my heavy coat and already had my weak hand on an ASP baton in my offside coat pocket. The thug saw me react and immediately came to a screeching halt, taking up a casual position on another light post. I almost got mugged that night and BOY was I glad my G21 was with me. All this during the period when SF had banned handguns for its residents. Go figure.
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Old 07-25-2008, 14:57   #393
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... I am a full-time stte LEO and love the fact that even in my socialist state I can carry wherever, whenever I want....

... I almost got mugged that night and BOY was I glad my G21 was with me. All this during the period when SF had banned handguns for its residents. Go figure.
Good for you! Your being an LEO and able to carry no doubt saved the day.

It's a shame the rest of the honest citizens of California can't carry as well. They are the ones apparently being mugged - if not by the thugs, then by their state politicians (same difference?).
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:43   #394
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In my line of work I deal with a lot of meth users and get threatened a lot(normally taken with a grain of salt).

One threat invoved my wife and children.The threat came from a person that consitantly carries a meat cleaver.(removed from him be leos more than once.

The next day with my wife and children in the truck with me and stuck in traffic this "person" crossed the street about a foot in front of me.

I've had my ccw for about 8 years and carried for about 3.
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Old 07-29-2008, 15:51   #395
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I figured this would be a good place to post up for the first time. I had two seperate close calls that prompted me purchase a Glock 19 and take the Arizona CCW class.

#1.) In late September 2005 (less than a month after being honorably discharged from the Army). I was going to meet up with a couple friends that I hadn't seen in a long time due to me being in the military. I pulled into the parking lot of a local steakhouse, exited my vehicle, shut the door, and turned around. As I turned I noticed a short gangbanger looking fellow standing very close to the rear of my car. I got a sick feeling as I knew something wasn't right. The thug walked up on me, and pulled out a Kahr 9mm and told me to give him the keys to the car. Being he had the drop on me, I complied, and as soon as I could took cover behind a block wall that was only a few feet away as this crook drove off in car. Luckily I had lo-jack and he was caught a few seconds later by Phoenix's finest.

#2) A few months later in Jan 06 I was on my way home after using up some gift cards I had recieved on Christmas at Fry's electronics. I was coming to a stop at the light right before turning onto the freeway, and a young guy wearing a nylon skull cap, cut over two lanes nearly clipping another vehicle as well as mine. I was directly behind the guy as we turned onto the freeway on ramp. He started driving very slow in the far right lane, so I merged to the left lane. Thats when I hear my girlfriend shouted, "Holy ****, he's pointing a gun at us!" I immediatly downshifted, floored it and told the GF to call 911. The guy gave chase, for a couple miles until DPS intercepted the guy.
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Old 07-30-2008, 16:25   #398
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Last April (2006), I nearly became a stabbing victim in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and that was my wakeup call that I am responsible for my own safety and well being.

I strongly believe in the right to self defense, and the fact that the cops can't protect you all the time. Another thing I believe in is that criminals don't only hang around the dirtier parts of town, some of the more "safer" places can be prime targets for bad guys, so I'm always armed at all waking hours.
I was a victim of witness harrasement. I call the local police, told them who was threatening me on the phone, they came back the next day and said "do you own a firearm?". The police indicated that I had reason to be concerned based on their investigation.

Second Incident: I broke up a street fight, some little guy was getting the crap beat out of him, bleeding profusely from the mouth and nose. Little did I know that I broke up a drug deal gone bad, and the threats began. I think I saved the poor bastard's life.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:51   #399
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I, like many of you, don't have a personal incident but I do remember my father carrying every place we went when I was younger. And even though I was just a little scamp, I remember the secure feeling it provided when the wrong kind of people would walk by or if we had to walk by a group of less than noble looking chaps. So when I turned 21 I got my CCP in hopes of providing the same secure feeling for my wife and young son. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't have such a positive view on guns or people carrying them for personal protection. She is no gun nazi but I think she may have had some incident in the past where guns were ruined for her. It is my duty as an American and a Husband/Father to show her that using a firearm responsibly can make you feel safe and one day save your life.
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As a former LEO you wouldn't think I'd need a reason to carry CCW. However, because I quit after 6 years (to go to graduate school) and never returned to the profession and therefore didn't have lifetime carry rights (depending on the State) I had to go jump through the hoops and get an Arizona CCW. So now I've got one and now I carry every day. I did anyway before I got the CCW, but in Arizona if any part of the weapon or its container is visible, it's open carry and perfectly legal. So I did that. The lesson to be learned, though, is to always be aware, and if you are, and know how to look, you can avoid many, many potentially dangerous situations.

As an example, recently, I stopped at a Stop n' Rob at night to get some cigs for my (former) girlfriend. Took a look around and said maybe we should try the next one. She got angry - obviously having a nicotine fit - and said what's wrong with this one? Look around, I said. There were two hookers by the phone booth having a serious disagreement. Twenty feet away, in front of a pimped Caddy were their two pimps with untucked shirts with hip bulges having a similar discussion, which included the waving of arms and much pointing of fingers, and it looked like a moment of truth was about to occur.

See anything wrong with this picture? I said. You want me to walk through that scene for a pack of Marlboros?

She said, what? I don't see anything!

I got her a pack of Marlboros somewhere else. It was her last pack from me.

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