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Old 07-19-2008, 05:00   #341
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Originally Posted by Travis Morgan View Post
Arc Angel, A point you ought to bring up to her is that if she's gonna be lax, it's time that she starts either leaving the gun at home, or in a lock box bolted to the floor in her car. Getting mugged would be bad, but being mugged and shot with your own gun because you armed the criminal would be a damn sight worse.
Oh, I don't have to ask her to leave her (expensive) revolver at home because she's, now, doing that anyway! The oft heard complaint is; 'It's too heavy for me; and, I don't like carrying it around!'

Let me tell you: The night she almost got carjacked, she came home terrified - absolutely terrified! This was within a year, or two, of another incident where my wife became involved in the aftermath of a bloody gun store robbery. (She actually took off her blouse in order to bandage the profusely bleeding head of the gun shop's owner!)

For about 6 months after the carjacking incident, she was very keen on self-defense. She wanted a gun; she wanted to carry a gun; and, she demanded that I train her. For the record I didn't just teach her how to shoot. (Something she's always been pretty good at anyway!) I taught her proper gun handling and self-defense behaviors, too.

For several months we did great together; and, I was glad she had finally caught onto the concept of protecting herself; but, then, her employer passed around a memorandum requiring everyone in the building to sign a statement not to bring a firearm onto the company premises.

Well, that finished my wife's brief flirtation with handgun self-defense. After she stopped carrying that revolver she has never taken it up again. I've heard all the excuses: 'It weighs a ton!' 'It takes up too much room in my purse!' 'It makes me look fat when I put it on my belt!' And, my own personal favorite; 'What do I need a gun for?' 'I've got you!' (I wasn't there when the gun shop was robbed! Neither was I present when she, almost, got carjacked.)

True, I did train my wife to drive a stick shift. (That's hard to do!) I did get her to memorize Cooper's Four Firearm Safety Rules; but, I may have to, 'bite the bullet' on this one. I might not be the best person to try and teach my wife handgun self-defense. Knowing you should do something, tacitly agreeing with your spouse that you should, and actually doing it are just not the same. On the plus side, she doesn't go out in the evening, anymore, without taking me and my G-21 along.

(I, still, like your idea about contacting Woman's Training at the NRA. We might actually do that!)
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Old 07-20-2008, 20:45   #342
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Well my reason first and foremost is because I can. I live in East Tennessee, meth capitol of the US. I am in the woods about every other day at least, in remote places alot, etc. I am aware we have some jacked up retards running around here who will start a fight with you over a friendly hello. Another big thing to encourage such was when I was in school at NTI in North Carolina. There was alot of crime down there especially near Charlotte. I worked for one of the Ford dealers in the area in the collision center and it wasn't unusual to see some car come in with bullet holes in it. In every single one I saw minus a bloodied up drug deal car gone wrong the shootings were never provoked. Just someone sitting in traffic minding their own business when SHTF. I saw the luckiest guy ever down there as well. He was setting in traffic in a Dodge Ram 1500. Some "gangstas" rolled up next to him firing a single 12 gauge slug into the passenger door of the car. The man's center armrest was folded down and the frame of it is about an inch wide heavy piece of steel. That slug cut through the doorskin, panel, and with all the blessings of the Lord landed dead center on that big heavy armrest frame,a mere 1 inch wide, bringing it to a dead stop. If that man didn't have his rest down or the shooter had fired just 1 inch high or low the man's lower torso would have been blasted all over the interior of that truck. But the Father was watching his back that day and instead of a trip in a body bag he just had to drive a rental car for a week. So I will be exercising my right to the fullest.
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Old 07-22-2008, 22:59   #343
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I live in the inner city (Philadelphia, PA), and thugs, robbers, and psychos are everywhere.
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Old 07-23-2008, 08:10   #344
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I've enjoyed shooting and hunting most of my life. I also did a 4 year stint in the US Army Infantry. I even enjoy collecting firearms. Then the school shooting and the highly publicized shootings started to become more prevalent. I thought to myself "what if something like that were to happen when I was around and I didn't have one of my firearms on me to prevent it"? I went and got my Michigan CPL and bought a Glock 36 as my carry gun. I wanted something I didn't have to think about other than "point and shoot".
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:32   #345
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Dont have a defining moment to share (thank God). Eventhough we live in a quiet/gated subdivision, there is a sense of uneasiness I get sometimes. Last year, for example, a man two cul de sacs behind us was shot while repairing his fence. The shot was fired from across the creek which separates our neighborhood w/the main streets. Shooter was never found.
Also the police chopper was flying around our neighborhood a few weeks ago for about thirty minutes. Turns out someone robbed the Valero that is outside the neighborhood and he was seen running inside the community. He probably ran to the last street in the subdivision and leaped the fence. Never found.
On top of that, there are atleast two vacant houses in the area that have been broken into. One person was caught while looking around DURING THE DAY.
Also some unwanted people have moved into the subdivision. They dont live immediately near me, but our association has a website and neighbors complain about them constantly. They are not violent (yet) just immature and play their music loudly at night and park in front of other peoples homes often blocking the driveway. When they are asked to move their cars, they take forever and peel out as if to make a statement.
Finally and most important, I work graveyard (11pm-7am). While I am at work, my wife and three kids are home alone. I cant be everywhere at once and my wife refuses to handle a gun. So as for their safety at home while Im away we have an alarm, two dead bolts on each door and a "watchdog." When I get home I feel better knowing I can protect them w/my gun. I have a CHL & G23 and carry where it is legal. At work it is posted no firearms allowed. blah blah blah. Once I get the SOB holster i ordered, i will carry at all times. I pray I never have to unholster it for defensive purposes...
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Old 07-25-2008, 01:34   #346
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I April of 1992 I was a young, dumb college student in L.A. when the entire area erupted with the Rodney King Riots. Being a life long hunter/shooter I was very familiar wit guns, but had never owned anything in the "defensive" category. I ended up driving around LA for a few weeks with a Marlin lever action .22 rifle IN THE TRUNK! My roomate rode next to me with a hunting knife.

I friend at college ALWAYS carried a fanny pack with a Glock 19. On campus, at the frat house, EVERYWHERE. I thought this was the coolest thing I had seen and it really played to my philosophy of "Never Be a Victim!" I saved up that summer and bought a Bersa .380. Soon thereafter I made the jump to a SIG 228 in 9mm. Then a Glock 23, 27, 19, 21... until i now have a safe full of good friends and am NEVER unarmed. I am a full-time stte LEO and love the fact that even in my socialist state I can carry wherever, whenever I want.

Last May I was in the People's Republic of San Francisco while my wife attended a conference. I left our swanky hotel to run across the street to a Walgreens late at night. I was fumbling with change and bags whle leaving the store and turned down a request from a hobo for a donation. As I was walking along the dark sidewalk, I passed a BMA wearing all black and a dew rag, leaning against a pole listening to his Ipod. 50 yards later I turned to look behind me (a LE habit now) and just happened to see the guy coming at me in a full out sprint. I was the only person in sight. I grabbed the Glock 21 under my heavy coat and already had my weak hand on an ASP baton in my offside coat pocket. The thug saw me react and immediately came to a screeching halt, taking up a casual position on another light post. I almost got mugged that night and BOY was I glad my G21 was with me. All this during the period when SF had banned handguns for its residents. Go figure.
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Old 07-25-2008, 14:57   #347
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Originally Posted by Opie 1 Kenopie View Post
... I am a full-time stte LEO and love the fact that even in my socialist state I can carry wherever, whenever I want....

... I almost got mugged that night and BOY was I glad my G21 was with me. All this during the period when SF had banned handguns for its residents. Go figure.
Good for you! Your being an LEO and able to carry no doubt saved the day.

It's a shame the rest of the honest citizens of California can't carry as well. They are the ones apparently being mugged - if not by the thugs, then by their state politicians (same difference?).
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:43   #348
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In my line of work I deal with a lot of meth users and get threatened a lot(normally taken with a grain of salt).

One threat invoved my wife and children.The threat came from a person that consitantly carries a meat cleaver.(removed from him be leos more than once.

The next day with my wife and children in the truck with me and stuck in traffic this "person" crossed the street about a foot in front of me.

I've had my ccw for about 8 years and carried for about 3.
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Old 07-29-2008, 15:51   #349
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I figured this would be a good place to post up for the first time. I had two seperate close calls that prompted me purchase a Glock 19 and take the Arizona CCW class.

#1.) In late September 2005 (less than a month after being honorably discharged from the Army). I was going to meet up with a couple friends that I hadn't seen in a long time due to me being in the military. I pulled into the parking lot of a local steakhouse, exited my vehicle, shut the door, and turned around. As I turned I noticed a short gangbanger looking fellow standing very close to the rear of my car. I got a sick feeling as I knew something wasn't right. The thug walked up on me, and pulled out a Kahr 9mm and told me to give him the keys to the car. Being he had the drop on me, I complied, and as soon as I could took cover behind a block wall that was only a few feet away as this crook drove off in car. Luckily I had lo-jack and he was caught a few seconds later by Phoenix's finest.

#2) A few months later in Jan 06 I was on my way home after using up some gift cards I had recieved on Christmas at Fry's electronics. I was coming to a stop at the light right before turning onto the freeway, and a young guy wearing a nylon skull cap, cut over two lanes nearly clipping another vehicle as well as mine. I was directly behind the guy as we turned onto the freeway on ramp. He started driving very slow in the far right lane, so I merged to the left lane. Thats when I hear my girlfriend shouted, "Holy ****, he's pointing a gun at us!" I immediatly downshifted, floored it and told the GF to call 911. The guy gave chase, for a couple miles until DPS intercepted the guy.
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Old 07-29-2008, 22:29   #350
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Old 07-29-2008, 22:38   #351
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Old 07-30-2008, 16:25   #352
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Last April (2006), I nearly became a stabbing victim in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and that was my wakeup call that I am responsible for my own safety and well being.

I strongly believe in the right to self defense, and the fact that the cops can't protect you all the time. Another thing I believe in is that criminals don't only hang around the dirtier parts of town, some of the more "safer" places can be prime targets for bad guys, so I'm always armed at all waking hours.
I was a victim of witness harrasement. I call the local police, told them who was threatening me on the phone, they came back the next day and said "do you own a firearm?". The police indicated that I had reason to be concerned based on their investigation.

Second Incident: I broke up a street fight, some little guy was getting the crap beat out of him, bleeding profusely from the mouth and nose. Little did I know that I broke up a drug deal gone bad, and the threats began. I think I saved the poor bastard's life.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:51   #353
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I, like many of you, don't have a personal incident but I do remember my father carrying every place we went when I was younger. And even though I was just a little scamp, I remember the secure feeling it provided when the wrong kind of people would walk by or if we had to walk by a group of less than noble looking chaps. So when I turned 21 I got my CCP in hopes of providing the same secure feeling for my wife and young son. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't have such a positive view on guns or people carrying them for personal protection. She is no gun nazi but I think she may have had some incident in the past where guns were ruined for her. It is my duty as an American and a Husband/Father to show her that using a firearm responsibly can make you feel safe and one day save your life.
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Old 08-01-2008, 22:46   #354
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As a former LEO you wouldn't think I'd need a reason to carry CCW. However, because I quit after 6 years (to go to graduate school) and never returned to the profession and therefore didn't have lifetime carry rights (depending on the State) I had to go jump through the hoops and get an Arizona CCW. So now I've got one and now I carry every day. I did anyway before I got the CCW, but in Arizona if any part of the weapon or its container is visible, it's open carry and perfectly legal. So I did that. The lesson to be learned, though, is to always be aware, and if you are, and know how to look, you can avoid many, many potentially dangerous situations.

As an example, recently, I stopped at a Stop n' Rob at night to get some cigs for my (former) girlfriend. Took a look around and said maybe we should try the next one. She got angry - obviously having a nicotine fit - and said what's wrong with this one? Look around, I said. There were two hookers by the phone booth having a serious disagreement. Twenty feet away, in front of a pimped Caddy were their two pimps with untucked shirts with hip bulges having a similar discussion, which included the waving of arms and much pointing of fingers, and it looked like a moment of truth was about to occur.

See anything wrong with this picture? I said. You want me to walk through that scene for a pack of Marlboros?

She said, what? I don't see anything!

I got her a pack of Marlboros somewhere else. It was her last pack from me.

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Old 08-04-2008, 11:27   #355
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I posted this in the normal carry forum as well.

My defining moment:

I would just like to share with you a situation I was in today that made me say. "I wish I had my gun."

I am a college student who has a part time job working with the newspaper. My job requires me to collect money from local businesses who sell the paper. At the end of each day I have to go to the bank to count my money or checks and deposit them. This is where the situation takes place.

I finished collecting my last account and pulled into the Huntington bank parking lot and get my cash ready to take in. Before I can get out of my car a full size pickup truck screeches in behind me (which blocks me in) and the driver gets out. He looks to be in his 40's wearing a ball cap and a golf polo. At this time another car pulls in quickly from the same direction. The guy driving the truck yells at the person in the car, "Why the F are you following me?!?" The guy in the car yells back, "Because you Fing cut me off you mother Fer!" The truck guy yells back and says, "Why don't you get out of your car and see what happens!" Truck guy turns away thinking its over and heads back to his truck.

I am obviously watching the situation intently and started thinking it was over when he headed back to his truck. The guy in the car must have taken it as a challenge because he gets enraged. He opens his car door and pulls out a baseball bat and slams it against the ground twice. This is when I said "I wish I had my gun."

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying that I would have done anything unless he started beating the guy. I am just saying I would not have felt as incompetent If I had it.

At this point I am dialing 911 while hoping he doesn't see me doing this (thinking he could turn on me being only 10 feet away). He then runs at the truck guy who turns around thinking he has a fight. The car guy, wearing an un-tucked white button down shirt, takes two swings at the truck guy (both misses) and loses his balance a little. The truck guy runs back to his truck and starts to drive away, but can't because of oncoming traffic on the road. The car guy gets back into his white Nissan Ultima and pulls in behind him and they both drive off quickly.

I am telling the dispatcher exactly what is happening and give him the license plate number, make/model, and driver description to the dispatcher. I tell him the cross roads where the bank is located and I tell him what direction they were headed. The dispatcher then asks, "Have both parties left unharmed?" I told him "Yes." Then he says "Okay, thanks for calling."

First let me say that I don't have my Ohio CCW yet. I HAVE taken the class and am waiting for the call from the Sheriff's office. I will not carry illegally and a trunk gun would not have helped in this case.

During the event I remember asking myself, "What am I going to do if he starts hitting this guy?" I can't take on an enraged motorist with a baseball bat. I didn't like this helpless feeling. Also, I can't believe how fast the adrenalin came into effect for me. I could feel myself getting jittery as I talked to the dispatcher and it remained after the 2 were gone.

Do you guys think the dispatcher called this in to a police unit? It didn't sound like he was going to.

All in all, I think the situation turned out as best as it could. no one got hurt and I think I was a good witness. This is what I would call my defining moment and I don't want to have to say "I wish I had my gun" ever again!

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Old 08-07-2008, 10:37   #356
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I knew 2 people killed in New Orleans,stopped a home invasion when I was 13 yrs old with my deer rifle, several of us once had a .45 pulled and pointed in our direction when we were in our teens by a drunk patron of a drive in. And this was from 1962 to 1968, and the world has gotten a lot more volatile and unsafe. I guess it's the old saying " an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
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Old 08-07-2008, 10:56   #357
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I live in Florida and we get hit by hurricanes often enough. I am starting a family and if we are without power after a storm I don't want to have to go into hand to hand combat with a mob to protect my family and home.

I keep enough ammo at home so I can deal with any threat to my family. I wouldn't use us it we are not in grave danger (meaning somebody stealing something from my car or stealing a lawnmower), but I wouldn't hesitate if BGs invade my home and my family is in harm's way.

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Old 08-09-2008, 02:42   #358
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It's 4:30 Am, , and I made it to post #315 , needless to say, This has turned out to be a GREAT thread!!

But I'm too exhausted to read anymore.

There have been several defining moments throughout my life, none really as interesting as what I've been reading for the last 2-3 hours, but here are some of the most recent ones....

Carry Issues

Carry Issues

Carry Issues
I have an 8 year old son as well, but being a new father to a baby girl has given me a much, much, much greater sense of responsibility for my children's safety.

God bless our children.
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Old 08-09-2008, 16:42   #359
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Old 08-09-2008, 17:06   #360
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Originally Posted by Z1232K View Post
It's 4:30 Am, , and I made it to post #315 , needless to say, This has turned out to be a GREAT thread!!

But I'm too exhausted to read anymore.

There have been several defining moments throughout my life, none really as interesting as what I've been reading for the last 2-3 hours, but here are some of the most recent ones....

Carry Issues

Carry Issues

Carry Issues
I have an 8 year old son as well, but being a new father to a baby girl has given me a much, much, much greater sense of responsibility for my children's safety.

God bless our children.
Funny how that happens, isn't it? I'm pretty much in the same place in life, and I have to say that I think about mortality more now than I ever did.

Frankly, it was the impetus to get my CCP. It has also been the driving force behind my new prepping.

It gives me a sick feeling to think of not being able to protect or feed my 2 kids.

Beautiful addition BTW!
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