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Old 03-11-2008, 20:59   #261
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A few things happened to convince me:
-My state became shall issue.
-I started reading about how my state may change the law.
-I joined the local gun rights organization and the NRA to help protect the shall issue laws.
-There were many CCW classes offered in my area.
-The Brady bill/laws ended and I was worried that they would come back and I would miss my chance.

So I took the training, bought some Glocks and a large number of the 33 rd mags (worried that the Brady laws might come back)
Joined GT took more training and started to really enjoy going to the range.
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Now my wife's moment was different.
She shared my enjoyment of the range and we shared the Glocks and a ruger 22/45, but she traveled on a lonely highway once and was frightened by a potential stalker.
She returned from the trip, took a CCW class, got her own sub compact- G36 (she likes the single stack) and her own ruger 22/45. We still share the 17L and G21. I do catch her looking at single stack 1911s - uh ooh- lol

She actually came home this week with the Guns and Ammo mag with the Kimber SIS on the cover... (hummmm..)
We actually held one at our range/shop later on this week.
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Old 03-12-2008, 11:57   #262
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In 1993, there were 2 students killed at the college I was attending. They lived a few buildings down. No signs of forced entry, no witnesses, and it was done in the middle of the night. The guy was killed downstairs, and the girl was killed upstairs....both shot in the back of the head.

A few months after that, I was at home with my then girlfriend and someone entered my apartment....with a key, no forced entry and proceded to come upstairs to tell me that my stereo was up too loud. I didnt open my bedroom door waited for him to leave....and he left. I made a report to campus police and heard nothing else about it.

The very next day, I went and purchased my very first G22 (still have it) and got a CCW. And have been pretty much carrying every since!
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Old 03-18-2008, 20:14   #263
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grandson killed in a violent attack. the aftermath of the murder was unbeliveable. he was an inocent child. the effects on my family was unbearable. you just replay the attack over and over in your head. my point is i will do all i can to survive an attack, even if i have to defend myself with a gun, i will, and so will my family. i owe it to my family, and my family owes it to me to survive an attack[we all carry]. so don't be lazy and carry, you owe it to your loved ones.
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Old 03-19-2008, 16:12   #264
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grandson killed in a violent attack. the aftermath of the murder was unbeliveable. he was an inocent child. the effects on my family was unbearable. you just replay the attack over and over in your head. my point is i will do all i can to survive an attack, even if i have to defend myself with a gun, i will, and so will my family. i owe it to my family, and my family owes it to me to survive an attack[we all carry]. so don't be lazy and carry, you owe it to your loved ones.
I am very sorry to hear of your grandson; a good friend up here lost a daughter to a whacko a few years ago on her graduation night from law school, on being called to the bar as they say. On the stairs to her walkup apartment. I know things would have resulted completely differently had she been permitted to protect herself but she did not even have that option up here north of the 49th. Not only did it end a beautiful young life and career, it adversely affected dozens of friends and relatives and snuffed out the life of both parents as I have not seen a smile from either of them in ten years since it happened.

You are right, of course. If you have the privilege of protecting yourself and your loved ones you must do so as to do anything else is unforgivable should anything happen.

I have promised myself that I will carry whenever and wherever I am able (south of the border in the USA). I have been at the receiving end of two home invasions (one successful, the other not... the bg's taken down at gunpoint while they were still trying to pry open the FRONT door to our home, oblivious to the sirens and flashing lights). And at the receiving end of the largest revolver I have ever seen in my life, pointed right at my nose, by a whacko who did not like the way I was driving nor the fact that I had Ontario plates on the van. I left him choking on my dust as I floored the gas pedal to the metal and ducked for cover. He was too stoned to pull the trigger fortunately. I will never ever ever be in a position of not being able to protect myself or my family again as long as I am able to do so legally. And you are dead right... it is a privilege that every US citizen should exercise. It was the SECOND amendment.... it was well thought out, with a finite purpose, and we should take advantage of that right or lose it.
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Old 03-19-2008, 16:32   #265
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For me it kind of evolved. At first I was thinking of carrying a sidearm with me while turkey hunting and bowhunting early in case of snakes. Then VT happened and my lady also got transferred out to CA for her job training and I started thinking about human threats much more seriously. Then I proposed to her and realized that I am now responsible for her well being and mine for both our sake and our families'. So I sent a rifle with her to keep for home defense, knowing that preserving her safety from harmful people is paramount. It then dawned on me that I should be no less safe in my everyday life. Further I came to the understanding that unarmed citizens are the petri dish on which the germ of criminality thrives, and that being an armed resistant to murder and robbery is a civic duty to make the world less safe for criminals and thus more safe for my fellow good people.

With those ideas in mind, daily carry is simply an inescapable and undeniable responsibility. If you have ANYONE who cares about you it is your responsibility to them to carry. PERIOD. No arguement possible. Do it.
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Old 03-19-2008, 16:44   #266
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It then dawned on me that I should be no less safe in my everyday life. Further I came to the understanding that unarmed citizens are the petri dish on which the germ of criminality thrives, and that being an armed resistant to murder and robbery is a civic duty to make the world less safe for criminals and thus more safe for my fellow good people.

With those ideas in mind, daily carry is simply an inescapable and undeniable responsibility. If you have ANYONE who cares about you it is your responsibility to them to carry. PERIOD. No arguement possible. Do it.

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Old 03-19-2008, 16:51   #267
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For me it kind of evolved. At first I was thinking of carrying a sidearm with me while turkey hunting and bowhunting early in case of snakes. Then VT happened and my lady also got transferred out to CA for her job training and I started thinking about human threats much more seriously. Then I proposed to her and realized that I am now responsible for her well being and mine for both our sake and our families'. So I sent a rifle with her to keep for home defense, knowing that preserving her safety from harmful people is paramount. It then dawned on me that I should be no less safe in my everyday life. Further I came to the understanding that unarmed citizens are the petri dish on which the germ of criminality thrives, and that being an armed resistant to murder and robbery is a civic duty to make the world less safe for criminals and thus more safe for my fellow good people.

With those ideas in mind, daily carry is simply an inescapable and undeniable responsibility. If you have ANYONE who cares about you it is your responsibility to them to carry. PERIOD. No arguement possible. Do it.
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Old 03-20-2008, 02:09   #268
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My moment was while I still lived in WI. I'm not going to go into the details here, but since that day I always carried. You can draw your own conclusions.
no fun passive, no fun... i expected more from you lol
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Old 03-20-2008, 04:40   #269
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Old 03-20-2008, 13:05   #270
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i am in the process of getting a handgun & ccw. my wife asked me to get a handgun this year. too much going down crime wise in our fair community to not carry. friend's home was broken into and their teen daughter kidnapped & assulted near us. there is a "thug state Univ" near my workplace (one of their students recently killed a cop for no reason). a hs kid was kidnapped(shots fired) & robbed after a ballgame here by some thugs. nothing has happened to me personally, except a couple recent tailgating incidents by some thugs, but why wait.....
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Old 03-20-2008, 13:27   #271
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It really tends to make one believe that 'an armed society is a polite society' as stated by one of our founding fathers. And the simple threat of catastrophic retaliation for aggressive and violent assault is aggressive and violent self defence; IMHO that in itself tends to reduce the amount of BG's thinking about doing bad things.

We thought we heard footsteps in the basement yesterday night. I can assure you that the fact that we were on the top landing, up two flights of stairs, and well protected, gave us a great amount of peace of mind. I did not sleep last night. But I also did not sit cowering in the corner or locked into a 'hardened room' praying for peace either. I was prepared to do WHATEVER was necessary the moment I discovered that my home had been violated. And IMHO it is just exactly that which is necessary in order to put and end to this craziness that surrounds us and pervades our present society as being the norm. Let the bad guys be the ones who are afraid for their very lives. Make no mistake whatsoever that the fear of catastrophic penalties for aggressive behavious will put a rapid stop to the unacceptable social habits we are having forced upon us. Either through psychological shaping or through genetic shaping. Either way is fine by me. I have had two (make that three) home invasions or attempts at home invasion in recent years and one occasion of having a very large caliber revolver stuck in my nose, literally. I am fed up and not prepared to take it any longer. Are you a sheeple? Be my guest... if you would be so kind as to forward to me your name and address I would be more than pleased to post it on my front door and let's just see what takes places lickety split, huh? I'll wager I know where the BG's head. Eventually, one way or another, the gene pool will get adjusted accordingly until the decent folk find themselves at peace and on top, don't you think?
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Old 03-20-2008, 15:21   #272
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Me and a few friends were robbed at gun point one night in front of my friends house in a gated community. I realized safety isn't something someone else can provide you, even if they are responsible. I legitimately thought I was either going to watch my friends die that night, I was going to die, or at least one of us was going to get shot.

After that, around a year or so later, I was reading about the Washington Mall shooting and realized that the only way I could know for a fact that I had done everything to protect my family, myself, and/or the people around me in the event a situation such as these arose (again, in the case of the robbery) was to learn, train, and carry a firearm.
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Old 03-22-2008, 00:50   #273
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for me, it is many factors. I live in a very "safe" neighborhood... but simply read the newspaper and the next shooting you come across the police will be amazed that it took place in such a "safe" neighborhood.

A few months back, my aunt passed away from cancer. when driving to her funeral, my uncle's brother was shot and killed while reading his newspaper on a saturday morning in front of his porch. he was simply sitting outside reading the paper and drinking coffee when some gangbanger shot and killed him for no reason. his family and neighbors didnt notice he was dead until hours after the incident. he was survived by two sons, his wife, and his daughter.

this really made me realize that no matter how wealthy or how good of a neighborhood you live in, you must always be responsible for your own self defense. the things my uncles brother's family is having to go through right now is truly terrible, with all of the people in court and our flawed justice system, i would not wish it on anyone. we must do whatever is possible to prevent such a thing from occuring.
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Civic duty. Plain and simple.
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And BTW here's a patriotic piece from Nathaniel Hawthorne, the author of The Scarlet Letter. Worth reading:

http://www.online-literature.com/hawthorne/137/

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Old 03-22-2008, 23:47   #276
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The idea has been floating in my mind for years. It was a natural progression;

First, in 1997, a friend and I had the pleasure of being stalked for several miles and finally pounced upon by a large male cougar. Fortunately the cat changed his mind and sauntered off, leaving me with a ripped hiking boot and a new respect for Nature. A few weeks later a sow grizzly rose up out of the bushes in front of me causing me to wet myself for the second time in less than a month.. bought my first serious handgun (.45LC) and began to OC on the trail.

Next, in 2002, I was followed through the backcountry by a man with a gun. He left the trail to follow me and made every attempt to hide in the trees when I looked back at him. I had foolishly left my sidearm in my Jeep and beelined back towards it before he could shorten the distance between us. Made it to my Jeep but he hid from me when I was forced to drive back through the area he was in. Spooky stuff... started to consider getting my CHL.

Then, in 2005, a man called the local PD to tell them that he would be wandering the streets with a knife looking to stab someone. He walked past my front door, bowie knife in hand, and was met by the PD two blocks away and subdued with bean bag rounds after holding the knife to his own throat. Thankfully my children weren't playing in the yard... once again I thought about that CHL.

Last year, a nice guy opened a jewelry shop two blocks from my home. This guy was polite and kind, and busy fulfilling his dream. Then, around Christmas, a gunman shot him three times and made off with over a million dollars in jewelry and diamonds. The victim lived, but his store was under-insured and he lost everything and is slowly trying to regain his physical health... once again I remembered that I was meaning to get down to apply for that CHL.

Last week was the clincher. A Shoshone friend of mines cousin, "Uncle Skizzy", went out to shovel snow. He was in his fifties and lives on a Reservation located a few miles from our home. When his family realized that he hadn't returned, they went out to look for him, only to find him dead. He had been eviscerated and was being devoured by a pack of feral dogs. No one is certain of the cause of death yet, but it is certain that the dogs were devouring him in his yard. The "Rez packs" have been killing pet cats and dogs for a while, but this is the first time that they have been suspected of involvement in a human death.

So I figured that between armed robbers, mall-shootings, cougar, suicidal knife-wielders, grizzly, the response to Hurricane Katrina, and man-eating packs of feral dogs : I need to start carrying a firearm on a more regular basis. My little Idaho town just isn't the same any more, and simply carrying in the mountains is not going to ensure my families safety.

Last week, I drove down and took the 15 minutes to fill out the form and get fingerprinted. Now I have four weeks to wait to do what I should have done fifteen years ago.
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Old 03-23-2008, 00:16   #277
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Having my first child...made life worthwhile and realized I was a female with a baby in a nice car (when my husband is not with us). Got nervous sometimes in certain areas. Rather be safer than sorry.
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Having my first child...made life worthwhile and realized I was a female with a baby in a nice car (when my husband is not with us). Got nervous sometimes in certain areas. Rather be safer than sorry.
Good for you! Bravo!
Bad guys look for easy victims; you still look like a victim - remember that. You still LOOK like a victim because mose young moms would not be carrying a gun and would do nothing to jeapordize the well being of their baby. You do, on the other hand, have the element of surprise on your side now. For the very same reason.

What you need now is some serious training and practice; it will make self defense a reflex and it will give you an opportunity to think out in advance some things that you may HAVE to do to protect your child that you would otherwise never think of doing. Nuff said as it is repulsive to think about... but you are going to have to be prepared, practiced and absolutely willing to what needs to be done. Better a toddler or baby with a bruise that is out of harm's way so you can do what you need to do. Please. Get some quality training. It will help keep you out of harms way perhaps and it will help you to deal with things if you do get into harms way.
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Old 03-24-2008, 19:27   #279
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When I was in the military I always carried 1911 when I moved cross country. Jumping ahead 1990.....in the Tidewater area of Va. we started having a hugh number of car jackings, robberies with murders.
I started packing my 1911 when they found a car jacking victim dead in her trunk not far from where I lived.
One month later that 1911 saved me from a baseball bat swing thug who was coming around to the drivers side of my Bronco(which was stuck in traffic). He saw my 1911, dropped his bat and ran.
I've carried every since, and it has saved my life at least twice. The last time from 4 gang banger in Corpus Christi Texas.
Now it is funny to say but since I now live in white rural Oregon I've never even had to put my hand on my CCW(10 years).
The price you pay for none diversity.
Are you saying that non whites are always the bad guys? Just because there are some that are bad does not make us all bad. It just depends on where they live that makes them good or bad.

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Good for you! Bravo!
Bad guys look for easy victims; you still look like a victim - remember that. You still LOOK like a victim because mose young moms would not be carrying a gun and would do nothing to jeapordize the well being of their baby. You do, on the other hand, have the element of surprise on your side now. For the very same reason.

What you need now is some serious training and practice; it will make self defense a reflex and it will give you an opportunity to think out in advance some things that you may HAVE to do to protect your child that you would otherwise never think of doing. Nuff said as it is repulsive to think about... but you are going to have to be prepared, practiced and absolutely willing to what needs to be done. Better a toddler or baby with a bruise that is out of harm's way so you can do what you need to do. Please. Get some quality training. It will help keep you out of harms way perhaps and it will help you to deal with things if you do get into harms way.
I think you're reading way too much into babyg26mama's post, Toronto. It seems you're automatically assuming that she's an untrained novice simply by virtue of her recent GT membership date.

Just an observation.
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