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Old 12-23-2014, 10:44   #1
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Finger ON or OFF the trigger?

As you (legally) point your gun at someone is your finger ON or OFF the trigger?

I'll give the reasons for what I do after a few posts.
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Old 12-23-2014, 10:51   #2
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Either is valid depending upon circumstances.
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Old 12-23-2014, 11:04   #3
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If I'm about to shoot someone I would think it be prudent that my finger is on the trigger.
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Old 12-23-2014, 11:07   #4
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Either is valid depending upon circumstances.
This. Not enough info.
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Old 12-23-2014, 11:08   #5
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If I'm about to shoot someone I would think it be prudent that my finger is on the trigger.

Me too. If I were to point a gun at somebody then that means I am about to shoot that person. I don't point guns at people just for fun and game.


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Old 12-23-2014, 11:32   #6
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If it has gotten to the point I'm pointing a firearm at another human being, I'm going through the countdown, align sights, finger on trigger, pull. I guess technically no, as for the first split second the finger is not in the trigger guard until I'm on target.
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Old 12-23-2014, 11:44   #7
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This. Not enough info.
You are pointing your gun at someone.
Let's say it's some seconds that you are pointing the gun before you actually decide to shoot.
Do you put your finger on the trigger as you first point the gun.
Or do you keep your finger off the trigger until the final decision to shoot?
Kind of like the movies where they always keep their finger off the trigger while talking with a armed guy.

If you are pointing your gun at someone aren't you prepared to shoot them? They must be a danger or you wouldn't be doing something as extreme as pointing your gun at them.
If you are prepared to shoot them, is your finger ON or Off the trigger as you are pointing the gun at them?


My answer is ON.
If the gun is pointing at someone, my finger is on the trigger and I am mentally prepared to shoot them.


As a pastime I teach people to shoot.
At some time I roll play as the "bad guy" with a gun.
I'm in their bedroom, facing away from them, or we are on the street, etc. They already have their gun in their hand.
I have never failed to "kill" them. They are too slow deciding to shoot.


There was a fellow Marine that I used to go shooting with.
We had a drill in which the fellow had a holstered revolver in a Western rig.
I would point a (of course unloaded) pistol at him.
If he started drawing his gun he could draw and shoot me before I could pull the trigger.
And this was when I knew in advance what was going to happen.
No one could beat him, so I knew I wasn't just especially slow.


So back to the finger On or Off the trigger.
Mine is ON.
If the other guy makes a move I don't want that delay in decision time it takes me to get to the trigger and pull it to be what get's me shot.

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Old 12-23-2014, 13:04   #8
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Unless a person has trained or conditioned themselves to do otherwise, I suspect the natural tendency will be to have their finger on the trigger (under stress). A perosn may likely do so without even realizing it at the time.
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:06   #9
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Never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Do not point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot.
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:11   #10
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Generally speaking, it is NOT legal to point a gun at someone. If things do get to that point, I really couldn't give a cow pie where my trigger finger is.
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:12   #11
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:19   #12
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Never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Do not point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot.
In a non combat situation I would agree.

People that don't do it everyday for a living will be pumped up like a banty rooster, stub a toe, stumble, trip, something or someone previously unseen startles you, hear a shot from another direction... lots of reasons I could see someone squeezing or jerking one off unintentional.
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:19   #13
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As a pastime I teach people to shoot.
At some time I roll play as the "bad guy" with a gun.
I'm in their bedroom, facing away from them, or we are on the street, etc. They already have their gun in their hand.
I have never failed to "kill" them. They are too slow deciding to shoot.

There was a fellow Marine that I used to go shooting with.
We had a drill in which the fellow had a holstered revolver in a Western rig.
I would point a (of course unloaded) pistol at him.
If he started drawing his gun he could draw and shoot me before I could pull the trigger.
And this was when I knew in advance what was going to happen.
No one could beat him, so I knew I wasn't just especially slow.
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I respect your intentions, but what you have described to me makes me very queasy regarding basic firearm safety.

If you're going to point a gun at another person for "practice" or for "fun" or for "research" etc. it should not be with a real gun.
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:19   #14
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There's no such thing as "finger on the trigger, waiting for something to happen."

If a guy can draw, point/aim, and fire a revolver (SA or DA) before your index finger can fire an auto, then my first response isn't:

"Wow, holster guy has trained to an extreme level of proficiency..."

it's

"Wow, the other guy needs some serious remedial training..."

I know... for some folks, all these things are debatable...

You can train any method to a high level of proficiency (just look at the Krav Maga one-handed, condition three, draw/block), but it helps if your TTPs make sense to begin with...
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:20   #15
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Never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Do not point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot.
This sums it all up right here.
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never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot. Do not point a firearm at anything you do not intend to shoot.
this, this, this!
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:30   #17
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I covered a lot of people with a gun and the finger was never on the trigger. Startle response can be a problem. Finger is on the trigger when you are about to fire. We saw guys with the finger on the trigger at the range a lot. Good way to have a ND.


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Old 12-23-2014, 13:34   #18
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I'm neither military or law enforcement; if I'm pointing a gun at a person, then I intend to shoot them (finger on. Otherwise, I will keep my firearm in a ready, but safe, position, with finger off the trigger.

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Old 12-23-2014, 13:37   #19
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As you (legally) point your gun at someone is your finger ON or OFF the trigger?

I'll give the reasons for what I do after a few posts.
On

......as I have full control of my central nervous system (the same reason I regularly de-cock a 1911A1 with a round chambered)
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Old 12-23-2014, 13:45   #20
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The only way I'm pointing my gun at anyone is if my life or my loved ones are in danger. There's noguestion about finger on or off the trigger if I get to that point I've already committed to shooting them to save myself or my loved ones. I am not a police officer or armed guard the purpose of my weapon is to defend myself not to hold someone at gunpoint for help to arrive.
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