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Old 08-23-2014, 20:30   #1
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S.A. XD = lot of parts

I just got through watching a complete detail strip and reassembly of the Springfield Armory XD pistol . There were a load of springs and parts ! I have had 3 XD's in the past and I liked them but the parts thing is just unreal when compared to how little our Glocks have .
I got in the mood to get myself another XD and try it again but after watching this guy detail strip his and the high number of parts , I think I may have to give it more thought before I buy .
Just couldn't believe it would have that much more over our Glocks.

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Old 08-23-2014, 20:33   #2
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I am glad that I only own one now, you are correct too many parts and too much BS to complete take an XD down compared to a Glock.
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I just got through watching a complete detail strip and reassembly of the Springfield Armory XD pistol . There were a load of springs and parts ! I have had 3 XD's in the past and I liked them but the parts thing is just unreal when compared to how little our Glocks have .
I got in the mood to get myself another XD and try it again but after watching this guy detail strip his and the high number of parts , I think I may have to give it more thought before I buy .
Just couldn't believe it would have that much more over our Glocks.

So it has a lot of parts. Big whoop. If it's good enough for LE it's good enough for my carry gun.

I carry an xdm 3.8 .40.


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Old 08-23-2014, 20:40   #4
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Yeah, for whatever reason everyone frowns on extra parts around here. I personally feel Glock simplicity is a bit overrated. I don't always see the big advantage.

Some of my best firearms are very complex designs.
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Old 08-23-2014, 20:45   #5
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Spent a very hot day today shooting with friends, both my G19 and my XD45 tactical got a good workout. One friend had his 19 and 17 also.
Got to say, the XD was every bit as accurate and shootable as the Glocks.
Parts, or not so many parts, I'm happy with both designs.

My Ruger Mk II also got lot's of trigger time, want to compare stripping and cleaning with that?
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Spent a very hot day today shooting with friends, both my G19 and my XD45 tactical got a good workout. One friend had his 19 and 17 also.
Got to say, the XD was every bit as accurate and shootable as the Glocks.
Parts, or not so many parts, I'm happy with both designs.

My Ruger Mk II also got lot's of trigger time, want to compare stripping and cleaning with that?
Yeah, those Rugers are always an adventure to fieldstrip.
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Spent a very hot day today shooting with friends, both my G19 and my XD45 tactical got a good workout. One friend had his 19 and 17 also.
Got to say, the XD was every bit as accurate and shootable as the Glocks.
Parts, or not so many parts, I'm happy with both designs.

My Ruger Mk II also got lot's of trigger time, want to compare stripping and cleaning with that?
I've did it a few times with my RUger MKIII. IT SUCKS
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Old 08-23-2014, 21:57   #8
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I just got through watching a complete detail strip and reassembly of the Springfield Armory XD pistol . There were a load of springs and parts !


.....none of which ever have to be removed (ever)
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Old 08-23-2014, 22:10   #9
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.....none of which ever have to be removed (ever)
If one leaves their guns dirty, sure, none have to be removed, but it will eventually cause a problem.

Not cleaning the striker channel over time wouldn't be a good idea, you have to remove a roll pin with a punch to get the striker out, Springfield could have did a better job with that.

Extractors need to be cleaned as well, removing it is a pain in the arse. Oh and another roll pin to remove the loaded chamber indicator.

The XD is definitely not user friendly when it comes to breaking them all the way down for a good cleaning.
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Old 08-23-2014, 22:26   #10
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Extractors need to be cleaned as well, removing it is a pain in the arse.
Well, the extractor in my XD 9 works! That's something I can't say about the extractor in my G36.

I like the XD pistols. I don't think the newer XDs's or XDm's are available in California (and I'm too lazy to go look) but that XD 9 is a very nice gun.

The 1911 has a few more parts than the Glocks but the good news is that none of them are plastic (other than the grip panels and they might actually be wood). I never actually sat down to count the difference and, to be fair, we would have to remove the ejector from the trigger block and any other odd parts (like the trigger safety) on the Glock in order to make it a fair comparison with the 1911. Parts is parts, they all count.

You can also do a fairly detailed strip of the 1911 with no tools. You can't disassemble the hammer spring but, other than that, I think you can completely disassemble the gun with no tools whatsoever. Of course, that means you are using the sear spring tang as a screwdriver to remove the grip plates if that is actually required. No pin punch required!

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Old 08-23-2014, 23:07   #11
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You can also do a fairly detailed strip of the 1911 with no tools. You can't disassemble the hammer spring but, other than that, I think you can completely disassemble the gun with no tools whatsoever. Of course, that means you are using the sear spring tang as a screwdriver to remove the grip plates if that is actually required. No pin punch required!

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Actually on a true 1911A1 the parts you remove in the proper sequence become the tools to continue the full teardown, to include the 'hammer spring' from the MSH. The sear tang is for removing the mag release (the mag base is the screwdriver for removing the grips)

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Old 08-25-2014, 00:23   #12
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I wouldn't not buy a gun because it has more parts. If it works it works. Saying that I don't think I'll be buying a XD or any XD series pistol anytime soon. It's all Glock & M&P for me now.
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Old 08-25-2014, 09:25   #13
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If fewer parts is the goal, ditch Glock and get some old Makarov's!

I would avoid a Rube Goldberg level of complexity, but the parts count is not a driver in my considerations.

Ruger MK series are a real nuisance to clean. Most others are close enough it doesn't matter to me.

Parts counts don't drive my decisions between the two (I have XD's and Glocks) any more than they would if deciding between a Honda and a Toyota... I am sure one has fewer parts, and one probably is slightly easier to change a battery or head gaskets on...
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My Beretta M9 has a ton of parts too but that doesnt keep it from being arguably my favorite pistol and IMO it has the smoothest slide to frame feel out there and for me its a a superbly accurate pistol. Then again, a Glock 19 is my EDC most days.

I think that for the average shooter the number of parts is irrelevant. Proper maintenence and quality ammo will go along way in keeping most pistol in service regardless of the number of parts.
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Old 08-25-2014, 11:01   #15
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How many parts did Glock have to add to the magazine design from the original Glock magazine design?

Less parts does not equal better.
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How many parts did Glock have to add to the magazine design from the original Glock magazine design?

Less parts does not equal better.


Do you know why that was done?? It had nothing to do with reliability if you are refering to the 'drop free' thing. The original design was not intended to drop out as the SM was only to be issued one loaded mag.
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Do you know why that was done?? It had nothing to do with reliability if you are refering to the 'drop free' thing. The original design was not intended to drop out as the SM was only to be issued one loaded mag.
It was more than just the "drop free" aspect. It was about the base plate coming off and the guts flying out if the original mag were drop on a hard surface.

Do you remember how the original mag's base plate was disassembled? You squeeze the mag body just above the base plate and slide the base plate out. All that's holding the base plate in place were two tiny plastic nubs. Hence the change to stiffer mag steel liners, locking button, etc.
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How many parts did Glock have to add to the magazine design from the original Glock magazine design?

Less parts does not equal better.
True, but not in this case (total parts count of Glock vs XD). The XD has around a dozen or slightly more total parts.
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Boy those Korth revolvers sure do stink, right?
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True, but not in this case (total parts count of Glock vs XD). The XD has around a dozen or slightly more total parts.
Once again, the argument is that less parts does not automatically equate to better performance.

Hence, my example of Glock part counts went up because of a bad design.
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