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Old 03-07-2007, 22:05   #51
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Anybody use a .22 revolver?
I have a Heritage revolver with cylinders in 22LR and 22Mag. Luckily I'm fortunate enough to own many handguns and currently use my Ruger 454 loaded with 45Colt blazers for home defense. However, if all I had was the 22 revolver, I'd keep it loaded with 22magnums, but wouldn't feel overly secure in that situation. Although the 22mag is a hot little round, its bullet is just too small and light to cause the damage necessary without pinpoint shot placement. An intruder could easily die from 22magnum wounds, but I don't see it dropping someone quickly without outstanding shot placement. In situations like a home invasion at night, great shot placement may be difficult.
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Old 03-09-2007, 23:30   #52
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Didn't see any mention in the string of Quik-Shok 22's. If your piece can handle them, these rounds are hyper velocity pre-fragmented 32 grain bullets. They are supposed to be VERY effective 22's as the bullet fragments into 3 or 4 pieces when it strikes the target. I bought some, but haven't had a chance to test them in the back yard. Reportedly, these rounds will drop a varmint dead with one shot. I've you've tried to kill wild rabbit with a 22, you know it usually takes standard 22's or minimags several shots to drop it unless you manage a dead-on head shot.
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Old 03-10-2007, 07:01   #53
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I had a buddy back it the late 80's who kept a Tech .22 with a 30 shot magazine and a laser attached to it slung over his bedpost. He was of the opinion that it was the ultimate Ninja slayer.

As for me, my first handgun was a Ruger MK II. My plan of action for self defence was basically point it COM and empty the magazine, reload and repeat as neccesary.

I always carried Stingers, more for reliability than performance.

My wife is finally starting to come around to thinking about self defense and wants to start shooting with me. (Only took 7 years She is a "Northern Girl" raised by PHD college professors, poor child... ) so my old MK II is going to be the one she learns on.
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Old 03-13-2007, 23:34   #54
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Anybody use the CCI Velocitor to shoot various wet phone books, or varmits and have any info?
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Old 03-25-2007, 22:29   #55
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Everyone keeps mentioning stingers for defense. Although I would not generally select a .22 if any other option were available, if I was using one I would use velocitors. They have as much expansion and energy but a much heavier bullet for better penetration. A good thing if you're going for headshots which is a viable plan with a .22 IMO. Also I have heard stingers do worse in pistols than most rounds because they use slow burning powder. I don't know if the same is true for velocitors.

Don't even think of using quick-shocks. You want 10-14 inches of penetration to reach vital organs reliably, not the 2-3 inches you would get with the quick-shocks. They would be my choice for blowing up small critters, but not stopping people.

If I had to choose a .22 for home defense I would go with the Walther G22 if they make high caps for it or if not my short barreled 10/22 carbine with a 25 shot mag. I see 8-10 rounds of .22lr as a pretty good substitute for a 12G buckshot blast, and with a easy to aim short light carbine that can put rounds out very quickly I would think it could be a formidable weapon if used wisely.
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Old 03-26-2007, 06:07   #56
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Here's a photo of recovered rounds from some .22 LR testing I did a couple years ago. Rounds were shot from a Marlin Model 60 rifle at a distance of about 25 yards.

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The test media was Corbin Simtest.

http://www.bulletswage.com/sim-test.htm

From other testing I've done with Simtest penetration was about 1/2 of what others report in ballistic gelatin.

Notice the Quiwk Shock penetrated a Whopping 1 3/8".

If I had to use a rimfire for home defense, I'd use the Velocitors.
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Old 03-27-2007, 21:40   #57
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No matter what you use, it is all about shot placement.

One 22 in the heart or eyeball is worth a lot more then a 200gr 10mm at 1100 fps FLESH WOUND.

However I sleep with my S&W 915 9mm with internal LazerMax under the pillow, with the old Mossberg 20g pump near by.
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Old 06-03-2007, 13:31   #58
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Some of the guys have AR or AK style type of weapons for home defense, but you gotta wonder what happens to the rounds they miss shooting at an intruder in their home. Assuming a homeowner lives in an apartment, or a mobile home park, has the issue of rounds over penetrating really been closely considered? Since most rounds miss an attacker anyway, I would be scared to ventilate a bunch of nearby apartments or trailers. Do you(meaning the homeowner) consider this to be a major problem?
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Old 06-03-2007, 20:08   #59
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Old 06-04-2007, 08:03   #60
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Old 06-20-2007, 15:56   #61
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Old 06-20-2007, 17:05   #62
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Guys I've used a gun 3 times for defense. Never pulled the trigger any of the times. From this I conclude that "having" a gun at the right time and place is more important than caliber. At one point a 10-22 was all I had, but I did'nt fear home invaders. Having it handy allowed me to solve 4 legged Varmint problems serveral times.

I've seen a TV interview with gang bangers that had been shot and were showing off their scars - talking about how tough they were, but None said they wanted to get shot again. They talked about other gang members who did'nt make it after being shot.
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Old 06-22-2007, 14:38   #63
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You need a real gun in 9mm/38 special or larger. Sorry but all 10 shots of a 22 will do is piss them off unless you hit them in the eye. It could very well kill them but I doubt it would stop them with anything less than a perfect shot to the CNS.
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Hmmmm, I seem to recall a guy named John Hinckly who knocked down a secret service agent, a cop, scrambled James Brady's brain, and nearly killed President Reagan with a 22 revolver.

Another fairly famous case was 10 year old kid who shot two intruders with a 22 rifle. They broke into his rural home while his parents were away. Both died and they made a movie out of it.

I investigated an accidental shooting back in the 1970s. A guy who was about 6'6" and about 300lbs was accidently shot by his mother with a 22 rifle. She picked it up by the grip with her finger in the trigger guard and swung it his way to hand it to him. He yelled which startled her. She squeezed and shot him in the upper right chest. He told me it felt like someone hit him with a baseball bat. It knocked him flat and punctured a lung. He was lucky to survive.

Also was part of a task force back in the 70s looking for a guy who used a 22 rifle (Marlin 60) to hunt and kill 4 people. He would wait down the block and when they came out in the morning he would put one bullet in their head. 4 shots, 4 kills.

Two other experiences with 22s. One of the guys on our plaincloths surveillance team carried a Sterling model 302 in 22lr in his pocket as a backup. We were eating in a coffee shop early one morning when he reached into his right front pocket to get change for a tip. His pistol went off shooting himself in the left thigh. The bullet barely missed his femoral artery and left burns and powder tatoos on his *****. It also set his pants on fire which burned some pubic hair. It was kinda funny afterward.

Last story. One of our guys stopped a guy walking down the street near a drug house. It was winter and the guy had a large BDU feild jacket on. As our office approached the guy had a NAA mini revolver in his hand which was covered by his sleave. He shot our guy in the face hitting him in the upper cheek, just below the left eye. It knocked him down but the officer drew his gun when he hit ground and shot the guy in the shin. Backup officers killed the guy as he was trying to recock the little single action. The officer survived but had a broken cheek, damaged nerves in his face and lost the hearing in one ear since the bullet lodged in the ear canal.

Moral to all these stories...a 22 will hurt you, and you really need to avoid being shot with anything.
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Old 06-25-2007, 08:53   #64
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Interesting accounts gents...
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Old 07-03-2007, 16:20   #65
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You need a real gun in 9mm/38 special or larger. Sorry but all 10 shots of a 22 will do is piss them off unless you hit them in the eye. It could very well kill them but I doubt it would stop them with anything less than a perfect shot to the CNS.
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If you cant stop someone with a .22 you might want to study up and bit and practice and bit and well you get the picture.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:17   #66
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With center fire ammo prices going thru the roof the rim fire guns are the ones getting shot the most these days...
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Old 07-07-2007, 16:44   #67
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James,

When your thread makes it to a 12 month anniversary we should send you an e-card.

Personally, now a days if I don't reload it, it's a 22LR I'm shooting.
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:38   #68
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James,

When your thread makes it to a 12 month anniversary we should send you an e-card.

Personally, now a days if I don't reload it, it's a 22LR I'm shooting.
Thanks for the humor...
You hit on an interesting concept here. You mentioned that "if you don't reload it then its a .22 you're shooting". I notice there is another 15-25% increase in factory ammo coming on Sept 1st. Since a lot of shooters DON'T reload, and one main concept of defensive shooting is to practice extensively with the gun/caliber you shoot I think the .22 is one of the few calibers a shooter can economically shoot to get good at hitting a target. Maybe the 9mm is kinda cheap also, but hey my view is that most people cannot afford huge ammo budgets these days.
People counter my economics argument with "What is your life worth? "Why not spend more for ammo/defense?" If safety was an issue without concern for money, we would all live in gated communities patrolled by armed guards, drive huge gas guzzling SUV's and have expensive fire suppression systems in our homes.
Unfortunately, money does come into play. I know a guy who has a Hi-Point 9mm with 100 rounds of ball ammo as his self defense package. I went with him to the range, and he can pound a target with it, every time. He is looking to buy a pump shotgun as a upgrade so I'm not too worried. He is waiting for a sale on a deer/field barrel combo.
To repeat, a .22 is far from an ideal defense tool, but if you have it, and can hit stuff with it, you aren't in a dire straits as some suggest.
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Old 07-30-2007, 06:21   #69
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Ditto on the 22 getting more and more use.

If money is a big issue, then I don't believe you have to always practice with the exact same set-up to maintain overall profeciency. Sure, master it, but it better to go practice 5 times with a variety of pistols than only go once with the duty rig. Or just shoot a few rounds of the duty gun each time. Sometimes a long session with a 9, 40 or 45 becomes more an exercise in battling recoil or arm strength than a lesson in quicky markmanship.
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:41   #70
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I have a Ruger Mark 2 .22/45 with a 4 3/4 inch barrel and it has a similar grip setup to my Ruger P97. Newer shooters can go with the Ruger Mark 3/Ruger 345 setup in .22/.45 calibers. You save a ton of cash these days using the .22. Just wait till sept with the 15-25% price increase
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Exactly James. The 22/45 grip angle is modeled after the 1911, so it's a natural trainer. I think the Sigmas and M&Ps uses the same angle as the 1911 too.
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Old 07-30-2007, 22:52   #72
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Since the subject has turned to 22LR as a training aid for SD. Here's my $.02. My current training routine is two days a week at the range My gp 100 on Friday night and my G30 on Sunday morning. The 357 and 45's are 100rnds, double tap drill off the draw at 15, 21, and 45ft, for the respective days and in adddition 100rnds of 22LR, off hand at 30ft, from either my single six, mk3 or AA conversion for the G30. A total of 200rnds a range trip.

Yes I reload, but I limit shoot my SD calibers to 100 a range trip, as reloading supplies are actually getting more difficult to buy. As well as component prices are going up as well. I buy my bullets and primers as they are available, with this routine I'm actually building an inventory as a hedge againts future price hikes as well as in case there is a true shortage. The goal is to keep shooting.

My 357 is in my night stand and G30 in my truck, but I use 22LR to supliment SD training. In general my 22's are cleaned and oiled sitting in my range case.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:42   #73
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I would love to be able to shoot that much. At least you have a couple good guns to shoot with(the G30, and Ruger GP100). Which .22's do you shoot most accurately, including the .22 conversion kit?
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Old 08-07-2007, 13:12   #74
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I have one loaded and ready to go....although not my primary....Glock 19 is primary, loaded with Cor-Bons....and my Ruger Single Six 9-1/2 inch barrel is ready with .22Mag cylinder with Maxi Mag hollow points. I would not be afraid to use it at all if it was the first one I grabbed.
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Whats the velocity of the .22 magnum in a 9.5 inch barrel?
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