GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-03-2007, 11:07   #26
Burns
Senior Member
 
Burns's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: NOVA
Posts: 1,110
Send a message via AIM to Burns Send a message via Yahoo to Burns
10 shots of .22 would do a great deal more than just "pissing them off". A .22 WOULD NOT BE MY CHOICE FOR SELF-DEFENSE. However, if someone broke into my house, and all I had was a 10/22, I'd lay it on the BG - and I would take him down.

If you want to get an idea, shoot a .22 into a wet phone book. With proper shot placement - 10 shots of .22 will easily do the job - that is, if you can get 10 shots off in time.

LOOGIE - It is fine if you "don't want to kill someone", that's your choice. Keep shooting your .22 at targets, lock it up afterwords, and never pull a gun on anyone. Don't shoot to scare, shoot to STOP - or just don't even draw. In such an event your time is EXTREMELY limited, and the bastardo isn't interested in having diplomatic relations with you. If you just wound the guy, he's liable to beat you to a pulp, take your Neos, and use it against you. Or, you may pull a .45 on you. Do you really want to compete against that with your .22 wounding shots?

An intruder in my home who poses a threat will face an SKS backed up by my G19.
__________________
"Liberals believe government should take people's earnings to give to poor people. Conservatives disagree. They think government should confiscate people's earnings and give them to farmers and insolvent banks. -- Walter Williams

Last edited by Burns; 01-03-2007 at 11:10..
Burns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-03-2007, 12:06   #27
PzGren
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,822
My problem is definitely not the lack of centerfire guns but I would not feel too uncomfortable with a .22 l.r. for home defense.


If somebody thinks a .22 is not good enough, it's his opinion. It's just that, another opinion. Mine is different. My whole security set up might be different, too. So might my military training and life experience be. Two civil wars in the Third World among it.

Not better necessarily, but different.
PzGren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 08:40   #28
Alaskapopo
NRA ENDOWMENT
 
Alaskapopo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska
Posts: 16,457


Quote:
Originally posted by PzGren
My problem is definitely not the lack of centerfire guns but I would not feel too uncomfortable with a .22 l.r. for home defense.


If somebody thinks a .22 is not good enough, it's his opinion. It's just that, another opinion. Mine is different. My whole security set up might be different, too. So might my military training and life experience be. Two civil wars in the Third World among it.

Not better necessarily, but different.
I have seen enough shootings with the .22lr to know its not something I would trust my life too. Minimum calibers for self defense are 9x19 and the 38 special. You could say thats just my opinion but its one shared with most firearms instructors.

Now would I use a 22 lr if that was the only pistol available to me sure. But its a very poor choice.
Pat
__________________
Colt M16/AR15/ 1911 & Glock Armorer.
Certified Firearms Instructor & Urban Rifle Instructor.
Completed SWAT Entry Team and SWAT Sniper courses.
NRA Endowment Member
USPSA B class
Alaskapopo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 10:12   #29
PzGren
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,822
.22s also come in rifles and those are cheaper and easier to shoot than a handgun even.

Shot placement with a .22 rifle is easier than with any handgun. My wife called an ambulance for two guys that got shot with about 20 rounds of what appeared to be 9mm FMJ. The two men sadly died before the ambulance arrived. They were showing my wife their wounds and one slid down when the adrenalin level lowered.

Caliber is just one part of the equation.

Last edited by PzGren; 01-05-2007 at 04:57..
PzGren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-04-2007, 18:57   #30
straightblast
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,452
Quote:
Originally posted by James Markov
Anybody use a .22 revolver?

Wife's choice is a Model 48 in .22 maggie. She is very, very, good with it.
straightblast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2007, 04:54   #31
CajunBass
Senior Member
 
CajunBass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chancelorsville, Virginia
Posts: 3,565
Send a message via AIM to CajunBass
Quote:
Originally posted by Alaskapopo
Sorry but all 10 shots of a 22 will do is piss them off unless you hit them in the eye.


From the "Big Book of Tired, Worn Out Gun Cliches."

If you got something better, use it.

If all you've got is a 22, use it.
__________________
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (NKJV)
CajunBass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2007, 07:55   #32
vafish
Senior Member
 
vafish's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Commonwealth of Virginia
Posts: 23,742
Quote:
Originally posted by CajunBass


From the "Big Book of Tired, Worn Out Gun Cliches."

If you got something better, use it.

If all you've got is a 22, use it until you can afford to buy something better .
CajunBass,

Took the liberty of editing that for you.
__________________
"If your plan is for one year, plant rice.
If your plan is for ten years, plant trees.
If your plan is for one hundred years,
educate children." -- Confucius
vafish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2007, 08:27   #33
Glockdude1
CLM Number 185
Federal Member
 
Glockdude1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Beaumont,Texas
Posts: 26,629


Remington Yellow Jackets.

__________________
"Some People Are Like Slinkies. They're Not Really Good For Anything, But They Bring a Smile To Your Face When Pushed Down The Stairs."
Glockdude1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2007, 12:08   #34
CajunBass
Senior Member
 
CajunBass's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Chancelorsville, Virginia
Posts: 3,565
Send a message via AIM to CajunBass
Quote:
Originally posted by vafish
CajunBass,

Took the liberty of editing that for you.
No objection to that VaFish, but in some cases that's not even the question. My wife for example has access to, and shoots quite well with any of three 9mm's and our Makarov, but she still likes her Bersa Firestorm 22 for her carry gun. She has confidence in the gun, and can shoot the lights out with it. She's put several thousand rounds through it, and knows it is 100% with CCI stingers.

For a while she carried the Mak, but didn't like the weight, so she went back to the Bersa. I'm hoping to persuade her to get a 380 Firestorm, but that's going to be her decision. I'd much rather her have a 22 she's familiar with, and knows how to use, and will carry, than something she really doesn't like, and will leave at home because "it's too heavy." (I can relate to that. I carry the Mak most of the time because the XD-9 is "too heavy.")

By the way. Someone else mentioned a 22 to introduce their wife/GF/someone to shooting. The Bersa Firestorm is a great choice IMHO if you can find one. The one she's got is the only one I've ever seen.

No, a 22 isn't ideal, but it's a good starting place. So how about we edit my statement to,

If a 22 is all you got, use it, until you can afford, and are comfortable with, something better.
__________________
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 (NKJV)

Last edited by CajunBass; 01-19-2007 at 12:21..
CajunBass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2007, 16:47   #35
AKMIKEFMJ
Obama 2008
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 567
I carry a Firestorm FS-22 on hikes or out in the yard. It is light and handy. The house gun is a M1 carbine....
Rimfire Forum
AKMIKEFMJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-21-2007, 16:21   #36
Sierra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,462
Of course the 0.22 is better than nothing but the lawsuit that would surely follow would be devastating, financially, even if it was justified.
__________________
The Second Amendment is Homeland Security.

Remember New Orleans.
Sierra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 10:16   #37
PzGren
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,822
Quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
Of course the 0.22 is better than nothing but the lawsuit that would surely follow would be devastating, financially, even if it was justified.
Lawsuit? Florida has the Castle law but I do not see how the use of a .22 in a justified self defense case can be interpreted as particularly vicious. Can you please explain this?
PzGren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 10:28   #38
Sierra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,462
The average cost of defending yourself in a wrongful death lawsuit is currently estimated to be over $30K even if you prevail. I don't think using a 0.22 would be considered vicious but the cost of defending yourself would be very costly. Damages could also be immense. Similarly any civil lawsuit involving injury would also be costly. The vast majority of people shot survive. Therefore associated medical costs would also have to be considered in the lawsuit.

The case for using a larger caliber may be more persuasive when considering home defense.
__________________
The Second Amendment is Homeland Security.

Remember New Orleans.
Sierra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 12:46   #39
Glockdude1
CLM Number 185
Federal Member
 
Glockdude1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Beaumont,Texas
Posts: 26,629


Sierra,

Are you a defense attorney?

Are you aware this is a PRO GUN web site?

Do you work for the Brady's?

You obviously have no interest in anyone legaly defending themselves, family and property.

When it comes to all of the above, only 1 story will be told when the police arrive. Mine.

__________________
"Some People Are Like Slinkies. They're Not Really Good For Anything, But They Bring a Smile To Your Face When Pushed Down The Stairs."
Glockdude1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 12:49   #40
Sierra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,462
Dude - I'm not a lawyer but I think the bigger the hole in the bad guy, the less chance of a difference of opinion when the cops arrive.
__________________
The Second Amendment is Homeland Security.

Remember New Orleans.
Sierra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 12:51   #41
Glockdude1
CLM Number 185
Federal Member
 
Glockdude1's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Beaumont,Texas
Posts: 26,629


Quote:
Originally posted by Sierra
Dude - I'm not a lawyer but I think the bigger the hole in the bad guy, the less chance of a difference of opinion when the cops arrive.
Home Defense: 12ga.

__________________
"Some People Are Like Slinkies. They're Not Really Good For Anything, But They Bring a Smile To Your Face When Pushed Down The Stairs."
Glockdude1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 12:54   #42
Sierra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,462
That would work.
__________________
The Second Amendment is Homeland Security.

Remember New Orleans.
Sierra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 14:04   #43
PzGren
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,822
Sierra,

in Florida and Indiana the Castle law is passed. If somebody gets shot in defense of a home, he cannot sue.
Anyway, I rather pay $30,000 than loose my life. I am in the good situation to have guns that will lend themselves better to end an armed conflict than a .22 l.r. but this is not about legal costs, it is about defense of your life. I'd rather have a .22 l.r. than nothing.

If your state has less reasonable laws (spell absence of justice), work on changing the law, not the calibre or the subject of this thread.
PzGren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 15:02   #44
Sierra
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,462
You are on better legal ground than we are here on the West Coast.
__________________
The Second Amendment is Homeland Security.

Remember New Orleans.
Sierra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 15:09   #45
PzGren
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Pembroke Pines, FL, U.S.A.
Posts: 2,822
I know but we have trouble of our own here, too. I want to move farther north again.

The NRA is our only friend in our preservation of firearms and self defense rights.
PzGren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2007, 14:06   #46
mac66
Plant the seed
 
mac66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Save America
Posts: 7,667
As others would say, the 22 wouldn't be MY first choice but I sure wouldn't have a problem with it if that's all I had. Just remember that no one wants to be shot and many, many people have been killed with a 22. A 22 packs a pretty good wallop. Just ask James Brady and the secret service agent and police officer who was shot by John Hinkley when he tried to kill Prez. Reagan.

I seem to recall a movie on tv that was based on a real event. An 11 year old kid was home alone in a rural area when two scumbags broke in. He confronted them with a 22 rifle. When they didnt back off and came at him he started shooting. He hit both of them who then fled. Both were later found dead in the yard or close by field.
__________________
Revolutionary War Veterans Association presents Project Appleseed-Marksmanship and History www.appleseedinfo.org
mac66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2007, 02:55   #47
skiezics
NRA Member
 
skiezics's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 424
I wouldn't be over-confident in a 12 gauge or any firearm for that matter. A quick story about a "gunfight" in the rural area where I live. Around five years ago an unstable middle-aged man was consistantly causing trouble in his neighborhood. He especially had a beef with an elderly couple that lived directly next to him. From what I understand the couple was very nice and kept to themselves but the man kept causing problems with them/going onto their property, etc. The police were called by the couple and the other neighbors on a few occasions. The middle-aged man plain and simple was a troublemaker. One day the man goes extra crazy for some reason and goes over to the elderly couples house with a 12 gauge shotgun. He kicks in the kitchen door. In the kitchen is the woman making dinner. The man fired two shots hitting the woman in the arm around the elbow and also in the abdomen. When the womans husband heard the noise he went to the bedroom to retrieve his .22 LR revolver. He met the man at the entrance to the kitchen. The elderly man fired three shots into the chest of the man before he was able to fire with his 12 gauge. The man turned away and ran for the kitchen door in which he entered. He barely got through the kitchen door when he fell down and remained motionless. A neighbor had called 911 and the police arrived just minutes later. When police checked the man he was dead. The elderly woman survived her wounds. She lost her one arm from the elbow down and recovered from the extensive damage the shot did to her guts. She is still as active as she ever was. The shooting was ruled self-defense. Although the .22 is not ideal, it is far from something that will just piss off an intruder.
skiezics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-09-2007, 13:59   #48
cowboywannabe
you savvy?
 
cowboywannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: on a planet near you
Posts: 20,551
i just bought this one for targets, fishing, and walks in the woods....not as a primary defensive gun at all....

but with Win Super X 37gr. h.p. or CCI Stingers.....its 4" barrel will give the rounds plenty of enough compared to any of the .32acp h.p. from mini autos like the p32 and what not that some folks bet their lives on every day.......though a heavy LRN would be my coice for ensured penetration to the vitals from odd angles....

while not even on the same plain as a 3"-4" K frame .38spl as a minimum for home defense.....it is better than nothing and better than a mini auto in any of the sub-calibers commonly carried today.
cowboywannabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2007, 08:20   #49
1811guy
Formerly1811guy2
 
1811guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 7,023
Quote:
Originally posted by Glockdude1
Home Defense: 12ga.

+1. Benelli M1 Super 90 with #4 buck. .22s are for target shooting and small game hunting (squirrels, rabbits). But, if a .22 is all you have, then that is your self defense gun. Do not be satisfied with it though, endeavor to get something that will do the job properly. If .22 LR were adequate, police and military would be using it.
__________________
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God!-I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
- Patrick Henry Mar 23, 1775
1811guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-06-2007, 13:38   #50
Blitzer
Cool Cat
 
Blitzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The communist's play ground of OHIO
Posts: 26,617
Send a message via AIM to Blitzer Send a message via Yahoo to Blitzer
Re: Rimfire home defense

Quote:
Originally posted by James Markov
Anybody use the .22 here as a PRIMARY self defense gun for the home? If so, why? And, what load do you use?
Rimfire .22 cal and Home Defense is an oxymoron.

Even with Aguila 60gr Super Sniper Subsonic .22 ammo and a suppressed rifle it would be a dicey situation.




On second thought I strongly reconsider my opinions:

Rimfire Forum

Rimfire Forum

American 180 Machine gun video
__________________
It doesn't matter what the Joe on the street thinks, it is who pays the biggest bribes to the electoral college gets elected as President! :crying:

Last edited by Blitzer; 09-10-2009 at 11:18..
Blitzer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:15.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 767
221 Members
546 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42