[Bilbo Bagins]

Originally Posted by Scouse

Calibre is not the problem, placement is, and putting bullets into a well built mans torso, he died, but it took a while. If no vital organs were hit, he still would not have died in a hurry. No matter what he had been shot with.

I seen the aftermath of an old lady armed with a .25 vs two robbers. Bad guys knocked at the door and pushed the old lady in the house. Both were armed with knives. The lady reached for her pistol that she kept in a drawer when the guys demanded money. When we got there, one guy was dead on the floor, one bullet hole between the left nipple and the sternum and one square in the forehead. The other guy took two in the chest, but he gave up and sat down on a chair. The guy on the floor was dumb enough to charge the old lady and I'm certain he died pretty quick.

The guy on the chair dropped his knife and surrendered as soon as he was hit. The lady actually gave the guy a rag for his wound, a glass of water, an ashtray and cigarette to smoke. I always found that part odd. Here are two Bad guys about ready to kill Grandma for money and she went into bad ass gun slinger mode, then when the dust settle, she went back to nice grandma mode.

[MitchellB]

A .22 LR would not be my first choice as a personal defense weapon, but I can think of a lot of worst things - like no pistol at all! At close range they can kill you just as dead as a cannon.

[rjp59]

Not my primary, but when it's all i have, I sleep well with my 5.25" buckmark loaded with 40gr Velocitors.

[GSSF17]

Originally Posted by rjp59

Not my primary, but when it's all i have, I sleep well with my 5.25" buckmark loaded with 40gr Velocitors.

Yep!

My wife's primary personal defense pistol is a Taurus 94 in .22 lr. Nine shots of 22 stinger will get yer attention.

The HD weapon for her is the 20 ga.

[raw6464]

You can kill a person with a ball point pen if you place it right. But with a 45 placement is not an issue. I prefer to the old adage why you carry a 45... because they don't make a 46.

[JFrame]

Originally Posted by raw6464

You can kill a person with a ball point pen if you place it right. But with a 45 placement is not an issue. I prefer to the old adage why you carry a 45... because they don't make a 46.

I would question that bolded portion.

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[Scouse]

Quote:
Originally Posted by raw6464
You can kill a person with a ball point pen if you place it right. But with a 45 placement is not an issue. I prefer to the old adage why you carry a 45... because they don't make a 46.


I would question that bolded portion.

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+1

Placement is always an issue. A very large (plus 300lbs) Gent, was shot three times center mass, with a 1911, New York City, what with the blood and all, they just stuck him in a body bag.

When he sat up with a huge groan in an intersection, the two ambulance staff fled! He recovered.

[mac66]

And this thread is now over 3 years old.

[GSSF17]

Originally Posted by mac66

And this thread is now over 3 years old.

................and for good reason.

[captdreifus]

I just bought a 10/22. I have only 20 (ammo shortage) .22lr rounds. So no, I would not even consider using it as home defense. As others stated..if its the only thing I have..

[Scouse]

Originally Posted by GSSF17

................and for good reason.

This thread does not attract the type of rhetoric that brings out the door slamming of some threads (by mediators) as such, roll on.

[PzGren]

Wow,

this thread is still alive - and I still believe in my old post. I enjoy rimfires and have several that are reliable, I can fire them fast and accurately.

It would not be my very first choice but I would feel fine for most situations.

[snowbird]

Happy New Year, all!

This thread has gone on longer than most.

So has the .22LR cartridge -I believe it started in the nineteenth century when they were still using black powder. To this day, more .22LR cartridges get sold than any other. Evidently it fills some need (likely mainly affordable target shooting, but is capable of being pressed into service for self-defense or HD, if necessary).

[Scouse]

About a .22 miss fire!

As I have always been kind of rotten, some things I have done, have been not nice!

One of the shooters in my gun club, (in Toronto) was Armenian, had a very big nose (I have been known to comment about that fact, I said I was not nice) so one day he got very serious, "Mike, please do not make jokes about my nose anymore, it really bothers me" I gave him my promise to not do so!

In shooting a .22 rapid fire string in a match, up goes his hand, miss fire, alibi is called, as RO I go over to check out the reason, a great big dent in the rim, a definite allowed alibi! I threw the round down "Not allowed" He followed me back to the timer, "Mike look at this hit?" "Eddy, when your nose gets stuck in the breach, it is not allowed!"

That was the last joke, I promise.

[JFrame]

Originally Posted by snowbird

Happy New Year, all!

This thread has gone on longer than most.

So has the .22LR cartridge -I believe it started in the nineteenth century when they were still using black powder. To this day, more .22LR cartridges get sold than any other. Evidently it fills some need (likely mainly affordable target shooting, but is capable of being pressed into service for self-defense or HD, if necessary).

I have often heard it said that through longevity, sales, development, and research, the .22LR is the most highly evolved cartridge in the world. This is not to say that it is ideal for every application -- but if any cartridge can be deemed to have been "perfected" within its limitations, it's the ol' .22LR.

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[OVERTHEHILLGUY]

"I ALWAYS SHOOT THEM IN THE RIGHT EYE, AND I NEVER MISS" James Bond


OVERTHEHILLGUY

[mac66]

I am not really supposed to talk about this but...

... the French Para Airborne Navel Special Infantry Equipment Squadran (PANSIES) were issued 22s to hunt terrorists in Antartica. They'd still be there but their commanders surrendered to a bunch of little guys dressed in tuxedos.

[wjv]

Originally Posted by GSSF17

My wife's primary personal defense pistol is a Taurus 94 in .22 lr. Nine shots of 22 stinger will get yer attention.

Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.

[GSSF17]

Originally Posted by bcvojak

Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.

Excellent suggestion. I have heard that those are nasty little rounds...... I am on the prowl for some now. Thanks for the tip and stay safe, everyone!

G.

[Ak.Hiker]

Originally Posted by bcvojak

Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.

The Velocitors are a good load in a .22 rifle as well. I always keep some on hand. Veral Smith (LBT Bullets) a few years ago was telling folks to stock up on them. He was very impressed with their performance. One of his points was that they are loaded similar to the high speed .22 LR in the days of old. The Velocitors have higher velocity than most high speed 40 grain loads with a better bullet. They would be a good load for the guy that keeps a .22 as a farm gun or for a last ditch survival gun.

[James Markov]

In another thread the guy is looking at .22 pocket pistols because of a law in north carolina says it has to be a .22 lr. Anybody know what law that is?

[James Markov]

I gather its a hunting issue...

[joeshmow]

Originally Posted by Scouse

The only handgun I see in my hand with .22 Rimfire in it, the S&W 63, the curse of .22 LR, it can misfire, with the Revolver, press the trigger again!..

I wouldn't consider a .22 auto because of the possibility of a misfire/jam, but I like a .22 revolver. I have the .22LR S&W 317 1 7/8" barrel, 8 shots, super light weight, much better follow up ability than my 340PD because it has practically no recoil, plus 8 shots vs. 5. On the other hand the bigger bullet has better stopping power, and - another thing that's not mentioned much - the bigger hole in front has more intimidation power, since in most cases you'll just want to defuse the situation and, ideally, capture the bad guy without actually shooting. The 317 is lighter than the Scandium 340PD .38/.357, too. So I'm OK carrying either, but for home defense I prefer a Glock.

[JFrame]

Originally Posted by joeshmow

I wouldn't consider a .22 auto because of the possibility of a misfire/jam, but I like a .22 revolver. I have the .22LR S&W 317 1 7/8" barrel, 8 shots, super light weight, much better follow up ability than my 340PD because it has practically no recoil, plus 8 shots vs. 5. On the other hand the bigger bullet has better stopping power, and - another thing that's not mentioned much - the bigger hole in front has more intimidation power, since in most cases you'll just want to defuse the situation and, ideally, capture the bad guy without actually shooting. The 317 is lighter than the Scandium 340PD .38/.357, too. So I'm OK carrying either, but for home defense I prefer a Glock.

Not to discount the big muzzle/bigger threat notion entirely -- but I somehow doubt that the VAST majority of people staring down the wrong end of the barrel of the gun would be spending too much time measuring the diameter of the bore. I suspect that their reaction would be to either: 1) run away; or 2) continue to attack because they're plain crazy. But it won't be because they took the time to judge the bore dimension.

Just MHO...

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[Broncbuster]

Never really thought much about the rimfire for HD until recently. Think about a Sig 522 or new AR 22 with a can/suppressor on it if you had multiple intruders. Take them out one by one and they would never know where you were.