1911-22 or M&P-22, which one?

ncvarmint · 02-19-2013, 02:07

Hello,
my dad is wanting a new 22 handgun, and he likes the 1911 sig sauer and the m&p 22 (it's whats in stock ay lgs). He wants to shoot any ammo along with subsonics. Which should he get? Anyone have both and prefer one over the other?
thanks
trevor

Jack Wagon · 02-19-2013, 19:03

I don't own either, but I have heard nothing but great things about the M&P. Check out the Nutnfancy review on utube.

bac1023 · 02-19-2013, 19:41

I'd get a real rimfire pistol like a Ruger Mark series instead of one of those.

Kcolg · 02-19-2013, 20:17

Own the GSG 1911 (same as Sig) and it has been great. about 2500-3000 rounds through it so far. I shoot mostly Federal bulk pack stuff and have had maybe 4-5 failures all ammo related.

Would like to get the M&P .22 pistol at some point as well. Been waiting to see how it holds up.

venenoindy · 02-20-2013, 09:46

I recently pick up an M&P22 and couldn't be happier, I'm so happy that I'm already thinking about a Colt rail 1911 .22 (made by the same people). I also have a Ruger MKII that I like a lot.

mjkeat · 02-20-2013, 09:56

OP, does he have an M&P of 1911 style handgun? If so the .22lr versions are great training tools. I know, I know, I used that horrible word again, TRAINING. Dun Dun Dunnn.

I shoot M&Ps and recently picked up a M&P22. The only downside is the thumb safety and magazine availability. You can remove it though. It has functioned on the 3 different types of ammunition I've ran through it.

It fits all my holsters and other gear.

I hear nothing but good things about the Sig .22LR 1911 as well.

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Originally Posted by bac1023

I'd get a real rimfire pistol like a Ruger Mark series instead of one of those.

Real? Explain.

venenoindy · 02-20-2013, 12:33

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

OP, does he have an M&P of 1911 style handgun? If so the .22lr versions are great training tools. I know, I know, I used that horrible word again, TRAINING. Dun Dun Dunnn.

I shoot M&Ps and recently picked up a M&P22. The only downside is the thumb safety and magazine availability. You can remove it though. It has functioned on the 3 different types of ammunition I've ran through it.

It fits all my holsters and other gear.

I hear nothing but good things about the Sig .22LR 1911 as well.

Real? Explain.

I think what he is trying to say is that Ruger's are build like tanks and they will last forever in comparison with the GSG and the other .22's of the same type are no going to be as well build and I agree to some extent but still great training tools and fun to shoot.

mattallamerican · 02-20-2013, 18:55

junk now junk later pot metal copies

mjkeat · 02-20-2013, 20:35

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Originally Posted by mattallamerican

junk now junk later pot metal copies

Merica Hell Yeah!! Wooooooooooooo!!

bac1023 · 02-21-2013, 11:48

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

Real? Explain.

I prefer Bona-fide rimfire pistols, like the Ruger over pot metal and plastic replicas of service guns.

When I shoot rimfires, I like to plink with accuracy, not train as if I'm shooting my carry gun.

mjkeat · 02-21-2013, 22:04

How do we measure "Bona-fide?" Is there some sort of measureing devise that can be purchased somewhere?

bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 05:10

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

How do we measure "Bona-fide?" Is there some sort of measureing devise that can be purchased somewhere?

The way I look at it is simple. I buy the rimfires that were built as rimfires from the ground up, not pot metal replicas of various service pistols built by a separate company. Is that so hard to understand?

You do know Smith doesn't build those, right?

mjkeat · 02-22-2013, 08:14

I do.

You've yet to share anything but opinion which is fine, it just does nothing to back your ridiculous claims. Trying to pass opinion off as fact doesn't get you real far in the world.

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bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 08:25

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

I do.

You've yet to share anything but opinion which is fine, it just does nothing to back your ridiculous claims. Trying to pass opinion off as fact doesn't get you real far in the world.

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Really?

They aren't plastic and pot metal? They aren't replicas of service pistols built by an outside company? They aren't less accurate than a Mark III Ruger for plinking? Get off your high horse and kindly tell me which statement is just a "ridiculous" claim and not fact?

Yes, its a matter of opinion whether you like them or not. I'm not disputing that. I merely suggested to the OP to spend his hard earned on a tried and true rimfire. Whether you share my opinion or not, means nothing to me. However, I did state some facts, not just opinion.

brianfede · 02-22-2013, 10:59

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Originally Posted by bac1023

I'd get a real rimfire pistol like a Ruger Mark series instead of one of those.

I would go with the Ruger as well, though I prefer the 22/45 over the Mark III, just my personal preference.

bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 11:07

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Originally Posted by brianfede

I would go with the Ruger as well, though I prefer the 22/45 over the Mark III, just my personal preference.

Any of those Rugers are great, in my opinion.

Jim85IROC · 02-22-2013, 11:12

Ruger 22-45. You get to have your cake and eat it too. It's a purpose-built rimfire pistol, but has similar ergonomics to a 1911.

mjkeat · 02-22-2013, 20:35

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Originally Posted by bac1023

Really?

They aren't plastic and pot metal? They aren't replicas of service pistols built by an outside company? They aren't less accurate than a Mark III Ruger for plinking? Get off your high horse and kindly tell me which statement is just a "ridiculous" claim and not fact?

Yes, its a matter of opinion whether you like them or not. I'm not disputing that. I merely suggested to the OP to spend his hard earned on a tried and true rimfire. Whether you share my opinion or not, means nothing to me. However, I did state some facts, not just opinion.

Bona-fide, don't try to change the subject. How about "real?" You say things like real rimfire or bona-fide rimfire. Sounds like you're the one on a soap box/high horse. I'm simply doing what everyone should be doing when they read things like bona-fide or real, question it because it's BS.

Again how is "bona-fide" or even "real" measured? Is there some devise I can purchase? Have you seen reports where these fake .22lr handguns are blowing up due to their build materials? It's 2013, is "plastic" not a proven material? How many Glocks, M&Ps, HKs, etc. are on the hips, chests, legs, etc. of men who shoot for a living? These replicas are extremely valid tools. Not everyone shoots in a smokers vest w/ a hand in their pocket while bladed up to a paper target.

bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 21:22

Oh yeah, I forgot you're Mr. Tacticool, besides just being a smart ass.

The choice of words were my opinion and I gave you the reasons. I personally don't like pot metal and polymer when it comes to rimfires. I look at them as fun, accurate plinkers, not training tools.

I'm just not that tacticool. Maybe I need to take a lesson from you, lol!

FLIPPER 348 · 02-22-2013, 22:22

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

I do.

You've yet to share anything but opinion which is fine, it just does nothing to back your ridiculous claims. Trying to pass opinion off as fact doesn't get you real far in the world.

Dude, you are not properly washing Bac's balls as required on GT as his opinion is the word of God 'round here.

xRUSTYx · 02-22-2013, 22:34

I'm a browning buckmark fan myself.

If I had to pick between the 2 listed, and M&P .... 1911 22's blow IMO

bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 22:36

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Dude, you are not properly washing Bac's balls as required on GT as his opinion is the word of God 'round here.

Yeah, I'm glad you showed up FLIPPER. That's just what this thread was missing..,

Your stupid-ass BS

bac1023 · 02-22-2013, 22:43

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Originally Posted by xRUSTYx

I'm a browning buckmark fan myself.

If I had to pick between the 2 listed, and M&P .... 1911 22's blow IMO

I also like the Buck Mark quite a bit.

mjkeat · 02-23-2013, 07:49

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Originally Posted by FLIPPER 348

Dude, you are not properly washing Bac's balls as required on GT as his opinion is the word of God 'round here.

Some of use are impressed by ability. Unfortunately it's not the ability to collect. Kinda throws a wrench in things.

bac1023 · 02-23-2013, 08:18

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Some of use are impressed by ability. Unfortunately it's not the ability to collect. Kinda throws a wrench in things.

Here's a shocking news flash for you...

Collectors can shoot too, believe it or not. I don't get to the range as much as I used to, but enjoy shooting as much as I ever have.

As for this thread, I don't consider them "extremely valid tools".

I consider them replica wannabes. That MY opinion. Its worth no more than your opinion, just as your opinion is worth no more than mine. If you find them useful, more power to you. I'll spend my money elsewhere.