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Old 07-30-2014, 07:15   #1
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Justice Department Sues Pennsylvania State Police over Fitness Test

"Tests and selection allegedly produced a pattern of employment discrimination"
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HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) The Pennsylvania State Police, one of the nation's largest forces, is faced with ending the physical fitness tests it gives to applicants for state trooper positions or defending in court a practice that the federal government says illegally discriminates against women.

The Justice Department's 10-page lawsuit was filed Tuesday in federal court in Harrisburg. A spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania State Police said Tuesday evening that the agency's lawyers had not seen the lawsuit yet and could not comment on it.

With 4,677 sworn members, Pennsylvania State Police troopers provide protection for much of Pennsylvania.

The lawsuit said the use of the tests to screen and select the applicants for the entry-level positions amounted to a pattern of employment discrimination. Much greater percentages of male applicants than female applicants passed the physical fitness tests going back to 2003, it said.

As a result, the state police had failed to hire dozens of women for entry-level trooper positions on an equal basis with men, it said.

Had female applicants passed the test at the same rate as men between 2003 and 2012, approximately 119 additional women would have merited further consideration for the jobs and approximately 45 more would have been hired as entry-level troopers, the Justice Department said.

The practice violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and does not qualify under the law as a business necessity, it said.
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The Justice Department sued the city of Corpus Christi, Texas, in 2012, stating similar allegations. The city settled the lawsuit last year, approving a $700,000 settlement for female police applicants who had failed the test. Corpus Christi police also agreed to stop using the test and hire 18 women who did not pass the test, but were considered eligible to be officers.
Wonder what this will cost Pennsylvania...
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Old 07-30-2014, 07:54   #2
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According to Fox News, our fearless leaders have also approved spending $200,000 to study gender bias by Wikipedia.

As of today, our national debt is over $17.6 TRILLION. When we crash, we will crash HARD.

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Old 07-30-2014, 09:09   #3
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Amen to what Vig posted.

How about this: we make the physical fitness standards gender neutral. Male or female, it doesn't matter. If you pass it, you move on. If you don't, you are disqualified. Breasts or nuts, it doesn't matter.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:27   #4
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The US Dept of Injustice

Eric Holder is a fanatical leftist. No real investigation into the IRS scandal but law suits abound for nonsense like this. Political correctness running wild. They are trying to dummy down and weaken law enforcement/ military. Their a**es are not on the line out on the streets. OURS ARE!!! 90% of all female officers I have worked with were useless as solid back up. Thats just a fact. Men and women are different so lets just accept it and move on already. The other 10% of female officers I had no issues with b'cause they could handle the physical and mental aspects of the job. Kudos to those female officers who could hack it.
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Old 07-30-2014, 10:38   #5
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My agency has two female patrol deputies. They are bad asses. They are 5'3" and 5'4".

They are meaner than **** and are great deputies. But they are some of the few women that I know that can effectively do this job.

If the women cant do a dummy drag or other such physical requirements, then they need to evaluate what they are doing. This affirmative action, equal opportunity **** is going to get someone killed. When it happens due to the "standards" being reduced the feds need to be made to pay the lawsuit that the family of the officer files. Or maybe specifically Holder. What a dumb ****.
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Breasts or nuts, it doesn't matter.
What if we have both? I'm pretty sure I'm an A cup or so on a good day...
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Amen to what Vig posted.

How about this: we make the physical fitness standards gender neutral. Male or female, it doesn't matter. If you pass it, you move on. If you don't, you are disqualified. Breasts or nuts, it doesn't matter.
It is gender neutral - that's why they are being sued.

It's called "disparate impact" - when the test is neutral, it will discriminate against women, if it is a physical test, and against black folks if it is a knowledge/intelligence test. Since the tests apply the same to everybody, the idea is that it is discriminatory to expect them to meet the same standard as a white male.
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Old 07-30-2014, 12:52   #10
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Did anybody see the test standards? It's the Cooper Test. You know, pretty much the most common LE entrance PT tests in the United States?

.... veerrrrrry interesting implications.
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Take a look at the ACT 120 standards vs the PSP requirements. You're doing a job that is sometimes physical, why should the standards be lower for one persona than another.
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"Tests and selection allegedly produced a pattern of employment discrimination"The last paragraph...Wonder what this will cost Pennsylvania...


What will it cost the citizens wanting help.
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What will it cost the citizens wanting help.
What do you mean?
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Are female cops, hired thanks to such reduced standards, more likely to use deadly force than male cops, capable of passing higher standards?

Will citizens get shot instead of merely punched?

Just wondering if anyone had any reliable studies handy.
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"The practice violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and does not qualify under the law as a business necessity, it said. "

Wait... are they saying that a difficult physical fitness test is NOT a necessity for hiring a police officer??
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Wait... are they saying that a difficult physical fitness test is NOT a necessity for hiring a police officer??
Yes. Heck, aspects of the ADA prevent agencies from enforcing weight standards one would expect of a paramilitary force.
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Quite simply put, I think there should be standards to do the job, and if you don't pass those standards then you can't do the job.

"I'm sorry, I can't drag my injured co-worker out of the line of fire because I'm physically incapable of doing so." Should not be an allowed excuse like the justice department wants it to be.
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My agency has two female patrol deputies. They are bad asses. They are 5'3" and 5'4".

They are meaner than **** and are great deputies. But they are some of the few women that I know that can effectively do this job.

If the women cant do a dummy drag or other such physical requirements, then they need to evaluate what they are doing. This affirmative action, equal opportunity **** is going to get someone killed. When it happens due to the "standards" being reduced the feds need to be made to pay the lawsuit that the family of the officer files. Or maybe specifically Holder. What a dumb ****.
Did those two female officers pass the regular old fitness standards, or an adjusted version of them designed to let women in?

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