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Old 07-14-2006, 15:41   #26
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Presenting feasable evidence, not degrading it. I've even reccomended it to people...
Not that I've noticed! Point is, the 10mm is FAR from the only caliber to suffer from the "degradation" (I assume you meant "denigration") you denounced in the following quote:

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May I suggest that you crack down on the 10mm degrading threads. Several of us realize the full potential of this round and others just want to sit and push our buttons. People come in here to be educated on handgun ballistics. It's not at all professional for these arm chair ballistics experts to lead them in the wrong direction. It just feeds the cycle of ignorance. Feel free to PM me concerning this matter as I'd love to express my views...
I've seen plenty of "not at all professional" postings by "arm chair ballistics experts" appear in regard to the 9mm, .40 S&W, .45 ACP and .45 GAP. Many of these posts seem intended to "push" the "buttons" of fans of one or the other of these calibers, or to feed "the cycle of ignorance." Oddly enough, a number of these postings appear to have come from fans of the caliber you were so protective of in the quote above.

If a list of ALL service calibers were substituted for "10mm" in the quote above, I'd consider it excellent guidance for conducting civil discourse in Caliber Corner and on Glock Talk in general. As the quote stands, it looks a bit more like the pot calling the kettle black!
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Old 07-14-2006, 16:09   #27
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Of ALL threads to deteriorate into another flame, I doubt this is a good choice. What's occuring here is the equivalent to "running to the teacher". Sorry if that's a bad analogy, but I felt it needed to be said.
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Old 07-14-2006, 16:24   #28
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Of ALL threads to deteriorate into another flame, I doubt this is a good choice. What's occuring here is the equivalent to "running to the teacher". Sorry if that's a bad analogy, but I felt it needed to be said.
Yes, cobranx "ran to the teacher" but that is NOT a bad thing to do and I applaud him for it. This thread is about "problem posters", after all! I just want the same sauce applied to the goose as to the gander.
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Old 07-14-2006, 23:35   #29
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I've just read this thread.

Check out my post on-- http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread....hreadid=564166

I edited out an inflammatory statement


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I hope that you don't think that the Federal 10mm rounds, loaded to their full potential, can only manage 30fps more than their 40s. Federal's numbers come out that way because that is what they were looking for. They load them to be equal to the 40 which is way below their capability. I've got a 180grn load using Power Pistol which gets 1,423fps out of my 6" barrel.
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For the average shooter, the Federal 10mm is about as fast as he/she can control in combat shooting.

I don't think we'll see an HST in 10mm, when the .40 does what a LEO needs.

Your 180gr 10mm load would make an awesome carbine/SMG round! In a hand gun, it's too much for most people.



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Seems odd that someone would complain about 10mm bashing and then make a thread with photos of dead bodies with some odd reference to the 9mm.
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One thing is there needs to be a post by you all on why you are closing post then close it.

2nd is you need to give everyone 3 strikes and let them know before you ban them from the server becuase what can happen is your just banning someone becuase you don't like there post and it my be there first time they were fighting with someone there needs to be a way to track persons.

And every fourm should have a sticky with the posting rules someone shouldn't have to go looking for them.

The easyer you make it for someone to fallow the rules the more they will. No one reads the rules when they sign up.
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One thing is there needs to be a post by you all on why you are closing post then close it.

2nd is you need to give everyone 3 strikes and let them know before you ban them from the server becuase what can happen is your just banning someone becuase you don't like there post and it my be there first time they were fighting with someone there needs to be a way to track persons.

And every fourm should have a sticky with the posting rules someone shouldn't have to go looking for them.

The easyer you make it for someone to fallow the rules the more they will. No one reads the rules when they sign up.



but arn't you supposed to read the rules and agree to them when you sign on to glock talk??

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Old 08-04-2006, 22:03   #33
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Yes but most person just click the box without reading them you know that and I know that.

You want things to be smooth? closing a post without posting a reason makes people ask why with good reason so just post in there why it is so we all know. I am not the only person that asks why


And just have a sticky with the posting rules in all forums so people know what there doing wrong makes life easy, and tracking who is doing what wrong makes sure someone does not get banned without just reason.
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Yes but most person just click the box without reading them you know that and I know that.

You want things to be smooth? closing a post without posting a reason makes people ask why with good reason so just post in there why it is so we all know. I am not the only person that asks why


And just have a sticky with the posting rules in all forums so people know what there doing wrong makes life easy, and tracking who is doing what wrong makes sure someone does not get banned without just reason.


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Hey becuase you have no life don't mean miss use the little power you have....
WOW your a big man closing all these post for no reason, nothing like miss using the little power you have.

Thats ok I sent the link to Eric on the post you closed and told him to look into why a post like that with a good link and good read was being closed sure didn't have a reason at all.


Funny how you never close a post when people are mouthing off to someone that posted or calling them names and acting like kids but you close a post with good info.


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henchmen77,
Eric, Patricia, and I have asked the Moderators to <i>not give a reason</i> when closing a thread. It only leads to more arguments and problems. Let's say I close a thread and say "It's because henchmen77 called 'Big Mouth' an idiot." Then henchmen77 says "'Big Mouth' called me stupid earlier in another thread".

Then it goes back and forth, back and forth. You have two pages of replies crying about who did what. Let's face it, you want an explanation so you could disagree with it if you don't like the reason.

That's not going to happen. The only ones that'll usually give an explanation is Eric, Patricia, or I. We are Administrators, and if we have something to say, it'll be a warning to a person for bypassing the rules. We are usually telling them they are on thin ice and sliding towards the exit.


Which you are doing henchmen77 if I see anymore PM's like you sent to true believer. Okay?

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Well closing post now does not make up for all the BS I have gone throw and others and I know when I have PMed you all nothing comes of it ton of times, I have had people calling me names and acting like jerks.




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You got that PM from me after closing my post when I asked nice what went on and didn't hear a thing from you. So I PM you ticked off becuase you don't blow people off as a MOD, you guys are here for use so please take the time to respond.

I was not picking a fight just asking becuase I looked at the post and link about shooting throw auto glass and it looks like they were on a Range with RSO officers, shooting a pistol or 3 gun match and the guy was just putting the stuff up there for reading.

And you closed the post there was no one fighting on the post or bad mouthing and seeing from the link it was all done on a range during a match I didn't see any reason to close it.

So I tried to ask nice and all that happens is you close my post and blow me off so I PM you and yea that was the PM you got because I was ticked about you not responding.

Sorry about the PM it was not a nice one so I am saying sorry. But you know what I was really was ticked becuase you blow off someone who is just trying to find out what happen and as a MOD you are work for the people on the server i don't think it to much to give a reason when someone took the time to find out.

Before you never seen a closed post and now there are alot of closed and some are is fighting or name calling and some there are not, and when someone can't see a reason they ask and if you have a justified reason you should be able to tell whoever ask.

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Well closing post now does not make up for all the BS I have gone throw and others and I know when I have PMed you all nothing comes of it ton of times I have had people calling me names and acting like jerks.

And were with the Mods???
besides last night you never once sent me a p.m. ..if some one gives you a hard time send me a p.m. and i'll take care of it..
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Well closing post now does not make up for all the BS I have gone throw and others and I know when I have PMed you all nothing comes of it ton of times, I have had people calling me names and acting like jerks.




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You got that PM from me after closing my post when I asked nice what went on and didn't hear a thing from you. So I PM you ticked off becuase you don't blow people off as a MOD, you guys are here for use so please take the time to respond.

I was not picking a fight just asking becuase I looked at the post and link about shooting throw auto glass and it looks like they were on a Range with RSO officers, shooting a pistol or 3 gun match and the guy was just putting the stuff up there for reading.

And you closed the post there was no one fighting on the post or bad mouthing and seeing from the link it was all done on a range during a match I didn't see any reason to close it.

So I tried to ask nice and all that happens is you close my post and blow me off so I PM you and yea that was the PM you got because I was ticked about you not responding.

Sorry about the PM it was not a nice one so I am saying sorry. But you know what I was really was ticked becuase you blow off someone who is just trying to find out what happen and as a MOD you are work for the people on the server i don't think it to much to give a reason when someone took the time to find out.

Before you never seen a closed post and now there are alot of closed and some are is fighting or name calling and some there are not, and when someone can't see a reason they ask and if you have a justified reason you should be able to tell whoever ask.


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I'll email a mod 4 or 5 names. Just ban them and caliber corner will become as peaceful as grazing cows overnight

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I'll email a mod 4 or 5 names. Just ban them and caliber corner will become as peaceful as grazing cows overnight

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2nd is you need to give everyone 3 strikes and let them know before you ban them from the server becuase what can happen is your just banning someone becuase you don't like there post and it my be there first time they were fighting with someone there needs to be a way to track persons.
Point out one person who was banned for one rules violation (blatant rules violations excluded). I'd say a vast majority of those warned end up with way more than "3 strikes" prior to getting banned. I've not received any warnings while here, this is just my observation of people who eventually end up banned.

Hell, Cobranx could post some pretty inflammatory things here, and I think he finally stamped his exit pass with his 9mm effectiveness thread. I can only imagine that was the "straw that broke the camels back" so to speak...

As for not reading the rules and "just clicking through" like "most people" isn't an excuse. They are there to be read... This reminds me of a great line from Bill Murray's character in "Groundhog Day"

"People like blood sausage too, people are morons.

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So this started as a proper (warranted) scolding by an admin for us to play nice and not run with scissors and then it goes on for a few posts about someone bashing, belittling, and harassing a moderator for their actions. Unbelieveable. Truly unbelieveable. I guess I have seen it all now. Complaints should be handled with PMs and should be kept more private then publically calling out a moderator to squabble about why something was done a certain way.

I just don't understand why it seems so hard for some people to follow the rules here. They aren't hard, over-bearing, or intrusive. Don't be here if you don't agree with the rules.

Also realize, most of the mods have lives beyond GT. Mods aren't all nerdballs. They have bills to pay and families to support. That takes priority over everything, even us users on GT. I think it is a bit selfish to think that a moderator has to cater to the individual here. With tens of thousands of users registered it is very hard to keep tabs on everyone.
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So this started as a proper (warranted) scolding by an admin for us to play nice and not run with scissors and then it goes on for a few posts about someone bashing, belittling, and harassing a moderator for their actions. Unbelieveable. Truly unbelieveable. I guess I have seen it all now. Complaints should be handled with PMs and should be kept more private then publically calling out a moderator to squabble about why something was done a certain way.

I just don't understand why it seems so hard for some people to follow the rules here. They aren't hard, over-bearing, or intrusive. Don't be here if you don't agree with the rules.

Also realize, most of the mods have lives beyond GT. Mods aren't all nerdballs. They have bills to pay and families to support. That takes priority over everything, even us users on GT. I think it is a bit selfish to think that a moderator has to cater to the individual here. With tens of thousands of users registered it is very hard to keep tabs on everyone.
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Unfortunately, I wont be adding anymore posts here at caliber corner. I didnt think it particularly fair that a thread was locked, and I publicly "scolded" simply because I stated that although I had no use for the 9mm, I could understand why it would appeal to women and recoil sensative people. I felt that I stated that the cartridge held some merit, and didnt point fingers or call names. My daughter,son and wife all do well with the 9mm, not so with the other calibers. So, being "scolded" for a comment that was true, at least from my perspective seems unfair to me. I was even referred to as a "troll" for this comment by another GT member, guess that was just "overlooked". Take care all.
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If that were true, you'd have been gone long ago, when you made a comment about treating a poster like a used condom! How'd that "presentation for a bunch of LEO's" go?? Maybe you'd care to tell us more of "high violence factors", "liver busting capabilities" and "the higher maturity level of the 9mm"??

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Unfortunately, I wont be adding anymore posts here at caliber corner. I didnt think it particularly fair that a thread was locked, and I publicly "scolded" simply because I stated that although I had no use for the 9mm, I could understand why it would appeal to women and recoil sensative people. I felt that I stated that the cartridge held some merit, and didnt point fingers or call names. My daughter,son and wife all do well with the 9mm, not so with the other calibers. So, being "scolded" for a comment that was true, at least from my perspective seems unfair to me. I was even referred to as a "troll" for this comment by another GT member, guess that was just "overlooked". Take care all.


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You seem to have it out for anyone who has an affinity for the 9mm cartridge. Pat in particular. It's funny, Pat never, ever reports any posts for everyone who jumps on him. I get a bunch of 'reports' from everyone else about people jumping on Pat.

I get 'reports' everyday that say "They're picking on Pat again". Pat has a lot of friends here judging from all the people that report for him. He never does himself. I don't like Pat pushing his agenda either. That's another way of getting flame wars to start. He's also in danger of losing his posting privileges.

You can start flame wars under the guise of handing out supposedly helpful information. Just remember one thing......You cause a lot of work for the Moderators either way, your time here will be over. That goes for Pat and his detractors.

10mm4ever, you keep talking about recoil sensitive, good for women, anyone not manly enough for 10mm......frankly, I am tired of it. It's all intended to get under the skin of anyone who doesn't think the 10mm is the "end all, be all" of cartridges. Cobranx pushed the envelope by saying things that would start flame wars. That's what your remarks are intended to do, whether you want to admit it or not.

That's also what's going to cause your demise on this site if it continues. This isn't just intended for you. It's meant for anyone who keeps going down this road. Right now there are a half dozen regular posters in this forum that have their foot on the trap door.

When I warn someone in a thread it's not only intended for the person that's named, it's meant for everyone who did the same thing in that thread.

10mm4ever, you are welcome to enjoy this site. The rules <i>will be followed</i> though. No exceptions. If that's going to be a problem, then I would lay low for a while. You are one of the ones with their foot on the door.

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