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Old 09-30-2006, 18:50   #226
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Wow! Glad I bought a Glock 21! I do have a tendency to baby it though, as if it'll break at the slightest bump. Anyway, thanks Bigbore for the testing. I can trust my G21 all the way.
Poodle,how's your g21 going? I suppose i've seen you using your g21 during the Sept. 3 IDPA meet at armscor range. I just got mine, g19 for Prod in IPSC and for SSP for IDPA replacing my old PT92 (inaccurate, reliable though, sorry Taurus). Got interested in glocks these days after suffering from a never-ending trouble with my 1911s..plan to acquire g21/g30 for Ipsc std division and IDPA cdp.
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Old 10-11-2006, 21:21   #227
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G35 can also serve you well RG

it's good to go in Standard as well as IDPA.
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Old 12-09-2006, 09:59   #228
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Best thread ever! Thanks BigBore for putting Glocks toughness to the test and illustrating your steps so perfectly!
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Old 12-12-2006, 20:52   #229
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Great test.

Thanks for the time, effort, and of course money that went into that test.
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Old 12-15-2006, 17:35   #230
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Bought a 21 because of this thread. Thanks.
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Old 12-31-2006, 00:55   #231
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Though this is a little off topic, I wonder how certain long guns would handle tests like these. I'd be interested in seeing the HK 416 or the FN SCAR put through something like this. The 416 has a firing pin block so I'd really like to see if that could survive being dropped with a primed case off a roof or even 500 feet out of an airplane. Sweet thread and awesome videos!
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:58   #232
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AND this proves what? There are a lot of Glock owners with to much time and money on there hands? So they take a pistol and abuse it far beyond what limit. Any person who has a firearm whose life may despend on it's use would never let the firearm get to this condition.

I humped a 16 for 91/2 months in the bush @ the Battle of Vietnam. My ass depended on this weapon working %100 of the time, it was kept clean and well maintained. So the point of abuseing this Glock is WAHT?

Grow up KIDS!
dude, lighten up... it proves that someone with a good heart had fun proving the limits of a seemingly infalible weapon. He dern near proved it. I shoot the 1911 and it's a wonderul weapon but it surely won't handle what BigBore put the Glock through. He was having fun and testing some theories out. He proved things to himself as well as others. That's all.

Easy on the caffine.....
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:59   #233
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by the way, bigbore, you're a genius.... incredible stuff man, simply incredible. I have never owned a Glock until now. I picked up a 19 because it is such a popular choice in 9mil and I am about to run some backflips over the purchase. Excellent stuff man, I'm glad I picked 'er up!!
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Old 03-20-2007, 18:44   #234
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wow this was the best thread period. I was always a "I kinda like glocks" but wow this really got me itching to buy a G21 instead of a 1911. Bigbore thanks
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Old 04-21-2007, 04:09   #235
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This thread was linked to an AR15 forum. Yet again this thread continues to influence people to purchase Glocks.
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Old 06-04-2007, 14:23   #236
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All I can say is...Incredible!!
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Old 06-29-2007, 20:46   #237
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Old 07-13-2007, 18:44   #238
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AND this proves what? There are a lot of Glock owners with to much time and money on there hands? So they take a pistol and abuse it far beyond what limit. Any person who has a firearm whose life may despend on it's use would never let the firearm get to this condition.

I humped a 16 for 91/2 months in the bush @ the Battle of Vietnam. My ass depended on this weapon working %100 of the time, it was kept clean and well maintained. So the point of abuseing this Glock is WAHT?

Grow up KIDS!
Just a thought, but personally I would prefer to be training, recreating, or getting some sleep than cleaning a weapon. And, as some friends of mine who went driving around with PFC Lynch will tell you, sometimes you don't have time to field strip and clean a weapon. Sometimes you just need it to work.
Knowing whether or not it will is pretty nice.
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Old 07-15-2007, 21:02   #239
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Test???

Being a long time shooter, I find your test to be very interesting. After reading about your test, burying the Glock 21 in various media sand, potting soil, powder, etc. etc. You simply just pulled the gun out, loaded a round, and then fired it. And you state that the only cleaning done was a simple dunk in water.

I am now a retired LEO, who was on a tactical team for 15 years, and am a person who would have some experience with firearms being dragged through mud and other like conditions you tried to simulate in your testing.
I find the results of your testing to be flawed if not exagerated. If you did what you say you did, I am surprised that the pistol did not blow up in your hand. Dropping it in the mud, burying it in everything you said, especially the paste from powder and water, and you are telling me that the barrel never was clogged and posed any kind of a threat to fire???? I highly doubt it.
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Old 08-19-2007, 18:28   #240
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I find the results of your testing to be flawed if not exagerated. If you did what you say you did, I am surprised that the pistol did not blow up in your hand. Dropping it in the mud, burying it in everything you said, especially the paste from powder and water, and you are telling me that the barrel never was clogged and posed any kind of a threat to fire???? I highly doubt it.
With videos to accompany the text and pictures, I find your accusations unfounded and uncalled for.
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Old 08-19-2007, 18:39   #241
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Post uncalled for huh?

I realize I may be shattering a few people's dream of how indestructible their Glocks are but.

1) Pics and video can be edited to suit a person's need.

2) If the tester did what he says he did, buried the pistol in various media, and dropped it out of a plane and it buried itself up to the grip in mud, then how do you explain the barrel not being clogged up with the media he buried it in or mud?

ANSWER: You can't because it goes against the laws of physics. If try to do so then you show your ignorance, because you cannot argue the law of mathmatics or physics. My post is warranted and called for to those who have a brain and use it.
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Old 08-19-2007, 18:44   #242
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Another point

Also in any firearm safety manual, it states,"that if you drop your firearm especially in mud, to check and make sure the barrel is not clogged because it poses a threat to the safety of the user and bystanders if fired."

I've been around firearms long enough to know that if you drop your hunting rifle in the mud, you strip it and clean it before you fire it. Unless you want it to blow up in your face????
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Re: Post uncalled for huh?

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I realize I may be shattering a few people's dream of how indestructible their Glocks are but.

1) Pics and video can be edited to suit a person's need.

2) If the tester did what he says he did, buried the pistol in various media, and dropped it out of a plane and it buried itself up to the grip in mud, then how do you explain the barrel not being clogged up with the media he buried it in or mud?

ANSWER: You can't because it goes against the laws of physics. If try to do so then you show your ignorance, because you cannot argue the law of mathmatics or physics. My post is warranted and called for to those who have a brain and use it.
ever seen mythbusters?

they tested the "mud in the barrel" myth. the gun fired fine.(and it was a long rifle)
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Old 09-13-2007, 08:58   #244
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Yes I saw the Myth Busters episode, and just about everyone where they test firearms. Did you happen to see in the same episode where they made the barrel explode by blocking the bore????

It is a safety hazard. No questions about it. Also this tester dropped his Glock out of an airplane where it buried itself up to the grip in a muddy field. And you are telling me he just pulled it out of the mud and fired it???? Right, pull my other leg it plays jingle bells. Physics states that the bore and barrel would have been filled with mud. Chambering a round and firing it is not the safest thing to do. Unless you are in an extreme dire situation. I know I have hit a touchy subject here. But blocking the bore on a firearm is a safety hazard period. You run the risk of a backfire, with serious injury and or death.

This is not a myth. For those of you who want to argue it, then I suggest you take a firearms safety course. Every firearm manufacturer, the military, the police, and even hunting classes teach you this. They even used to show films back in the old days of what would happen when the bore of a firearm is clogged. I've seen it first hand at the range in training, after a belly crawl in the mud for 50 yards or so before you reach the line to fire. The gun does explode. End of discussion, end of arguement, period. This test is flawed. The results were done in such a way to make the Glock seem indestructible and able to fire no matter what. Even when the results go against the laws of physics and safety.

And if you are a true believer in this test, then I DO NOT WANT TO BE IN THE FIELD HUNTING OR NEXT TO YOU AT THE RANGE. You are an ovious buffon who has no regard for your own safety or that of others.
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Old 09-27-2007, 20:48   #245
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Perhaps you should read the entire post before making an assumption. He states that he makes sure the barrel is clear of obstructions prior to firing the pistol when asked that very question by another member. Just a thought.
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Old 09-28-2007, 06:30   #246
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Assumptions

Now we are picking apart words to reply to my post.

In answer to your question, yes I did read the entire post. However I will point out an inconsistancy with his answer and I quote, "the only cleaning that was performed was dunking it in a bucket of water." This would not clear the barrel of an obstruction. There are several more inconsistancies in his story, for those who are adapt enough to catch them.

Sorry folks but results are exagerrated.
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He stated he visually checked the barrel. Perhaps you were there and this allows you to question the results. Other than claiming there would have been a barrel obstruction which I feel was already addressed, you give no facts to support your conclusion.

On page 5 of this post Herbststurm asked about bore obstructions and I pasted it with bigbores answer below. If you just don't want to believe it I guess you can call him a liar and move on.

quote:Originally posted by Herbststurm(D)
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i wonder why the barrel didnt explode with all the dirt in it. I heard of incidents where even smaller objects in the barrel like cleaning wipes etc. where the cause for the barrel go bang, when the bullet did hit the object.
Did you plug the barrel with something (cellophane, wax etc.) before sticking it in the mud?



I always made a visual check that the bore was clear.
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Old 09-28-2007, 09:29   #248
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No facts

No you are incorrect. The facts are the LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot go against the laws of physics, because the laws of physics govern the universe. If the tester dropped his Glock out of an airplane into a muddy field where it buried itself up to the grip in mud. Mind you the muzzle end landed first, meaning point down, then the barrel would have to be obstructed with mud. He claims he just pulled it out of the mud and fired it. No checking the bore. This goes against the laws of physics and gravity, because the barrel/bore would have filled with mud. Don't try to argue this because you think your Glock is indestructible. And if this is true and your glock does go against the laws of physics, which is totally impossible, then it would not fire. Due to the fact that everything in the universe has gone caput.

Simple fact of life, you cannot argue the laws of mathematics.
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No you are incorrect. The facts are the LAWS OF PHYSICS. You cannot go against the laws of physics, because the laws of physics govern the universe. If the tester dropped his Glock out of an airplane into a muddy field where it buried itself up to the grip in mud. Mind you the muzzle end landed first, meaning point down, then the barrel would have to be obstructed with mud. He claims he just pulled it out of the mud and fired it. No checking the bore. This goes against the laws of physics and gravity, because the barrel/bore would have filled with mud. Don't try to argue this because you think your Glock is indestructible. And if this is true and your glock does go against the laws of physics, which is totally impossible, then it would not fire. Due to the fact that everything in the universe has gone caput.

Simple fact of life, you cannot argue the laws of mathematics.
Sir that is where you are incorrect there are breaks within the system.. A bumble bee's weight far exceeds its wingspan there fore by the laws of physics and mathematics it can't fly. Though I relish watching my children stare as the bumble bees FLY past to light upon a flower. The video clip shows him shake the pistol and look down the barrel. As to the certainty of the tests no one can attest to the validity of them completely. It is left up to the reader to draw his own conclusion, but then i suppose that violates your sense of fair play and perhaps breaks some laws of physics. You can state the laws themselves in condition are irrefutable true but the probability of all things is in question. If you were not there how can you swear that the pistol landed muzzle first.

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... A bumble bee's weight far exceeds its wingspan there fore by the laws of physics and mathematics it can't fly.
What units are you using, to compare weight and length? Any conclusion that finds bees unable to fly must surely be based on some really awful assumptions. Perhaps you mean to compare ratios?
If so, you are trying to apply ratios derived from stiff-wing flight, to bumble-bees, who don't use stiff-wing flight? Either way, it would be laughable, except for the fact you take it seriously.
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Though I relish watching my children stare as the bumble bees FLY past to light upon a flower. The video clip shows him shake the pistol and look down the barrel. As to the certainty of the tests no one can attest to the validity of them completely. It is left up to the reader to draw his own conclusion, but then i suppose that violates your sense of fair play and perhaps breaks some laws of physics. You can state the laws themselves in condition are irrefutable true but the probability of all things is in question. If you were not there how can you swear that the pistol landed muzzle first.
Wow, y'all are arguing about some petty BS. Nevermind. Ignore my intrusion. If you are going to equate Original Post grammar with Laws of Physics, this thread isn't worth saving.
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