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Old 04-07-2007, 14:09   #321
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Interesting article. Thank you.

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Old 04-11-2007, 12:14   #322
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Little Eastern VC's are some different then a big corn fed mid Westerner on drugs....
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Old 04-11-2007, 15:12   #323
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ok for all of you who don't believe a hydro shocjhp 230 grain .45 won't necessarily take down a giant on drugs then go and buy yourself a smith and wesson 500 magnum. one shot will stop a grizzly bear. as for me i'll take my chances with my glock 21 filled with jhp and i won'tneed more than 2 rounds. for the doubters among you go get the 500 magnum smith and wesson and don't have any doubts about anyone not going down from one shot from this gun.case closed!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-21-2007, 18:05   #324
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500 S&W Mag does not guarantee a one shot stop. Hope I didn't burst your bubble. Only head and upper spinal column shots do. And that can be accomplished with a 22LR. And about the Grizzly bears, hunters have emptied more than 5 rounds of 30-06 into them and the bears showed no signs of weekness!
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Old 04-24-2007, 18:08   #325
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Exactly.

Aiming at the COM, not just the whole body as a target.
COM???
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Old 04-24-2007, 18:10   #326
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Oops. just figured it out on my own. COM = Center of Mass. You said aim at the COM not just the whole body as a target. That was throwing me off. I assumed the COM was part of the whole body.
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Old 04-24-2007, 20:03   #327
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COM???
Center-of-mass. Better, aim for the sternum (or "high titty" area, as one of my Viet Nam vet shooting buddies calls it) on a frontal shot.
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Old 04-24-2007, 20:23   #328
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it amazes me that people believe other people who say i have witnessed someone get shot multiple times in the chest with a .45 230 grain jhp and keep on fighting. the truth is just one of these rounds hitting the bad guy in the chest will stop the attacker 9 out of 10 times!!!!! that's police statistics.no one can convince me that a .45 jhp 230 grain hitting someone in the chest 4 times will not stop a bad guy. a 9mm yes but a .45 nah boys
Don't you know that 85.915% of all statistics are made up?

Seriously though, think of the bell curve.. once in a while some guy is gonna get really lucky and survive multiple shots to the chest from a .45, just like how every so often some guy dies or faints from a .22. Most of the time it's somewhere in-between, though, so most of the time one or two handgun shots will drop the BG. You're still better off with a long gun and/or better shot placement, of course.
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Old 04-25-2007, 04:20   #329
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COM???
I believe he is referring to Center of Mass.

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Old 04-25-2007, 21:19   #330
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In IDPA we often practice with 2 shots to the body and 1 to the head. If you are accurate, that would probably take out the bad guy.

But you know, if I am being attacked, I would probably unload on the bad guy. And maybe even re-load and shot some more. Better safe, than sorry......
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Old 04-29-2007, 11:25   #331
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I never have heard of an incident in which someone took a load of buckshot and kept on coming. I would not mind hearing about it if it in fact happened. I do wholeheartedly agree that you have to shoot until you are no longer threatened. No one can predict how many rounds it will take.
I believe in shot placement but looking at statistics means nothing to me with service calibers because of all the factors statistics will leave out.There are people who survive 4 story falls and others who die tripping on the sidewalk.Larger calibers do leave a smaller chance of error,but yes shot placement is the most important followed by caliber and bullet design.Statistics don't mention if certain factors where involved like drugs,bad angles,barriers,poor shot placement,jhp cavity failure to expand do to cavity clogging.
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Old 05-11-2007, 04:52   #332
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I believe in shot placement but looking at statistics means nothing to me with service calibers because of all the factors statistics will leave out.There are people who survive 4 story falls and others who die tripping on the sidewalk.Larger calibers do leave a smaller chance of error,but yes shot placement is the most important followed by caliber and bullet design.Statistics don't mention if certain factors where involved like drugs,bad angles,barriers,poor shot placement,jhp cavity failure to expand do to cavity clogging.
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Old 05-12-2007, 13:55   #333
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You forgot the most important factor of all, Luck!
Sometimes its better to be lucky than good. Then sometimes you could do everything right and still lose. Thats just life.
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Old 05-12-2007, 15:55   #334
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I don't believe in luck. But I am wary of Murphy's Law(s)!
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I don't believe in luck. But I am wary of Murphy's Law(s)!
Murphy's Law,Skill,Luck all play a role in the out come of a deadly confrataion but in the end I would say having SKILL comes first.
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Old 05-16-2007, 22:38   #336
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I believe it was Phil Engledrum who said "2 to the chest and 1 to the head even the Jolly Green Giant will fall down dead".
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Old 05-20-2007, 13:35   #337
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The stopping power of any service caliber weapon is directly related to the amount of practice the shooter has with that weapon and with the amount of rounds the shooter gets on target.

That's my measurement of stopping power.
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Old 05-21-2007, 09:20   #338
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Getting shot with a handgun is really just about like getting stabbed really hard. Handguns don't do the velocity related damage that rifles do.

So how many folks get stabbed and immediately fall down? Not many, not many at all.
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Old 05-29-2007, 14:13   #339
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what do you all think about this?

i dont know if anyone's linked this yet, i didn't go through all 14 pages

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi....asp?Caliber=0

look at all the ~90% ONE shot stops
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Old 06-07-2007, 23:39   #340
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Re: what do you all think about this?

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i dont know if anyone's linked this yet, i didn't go through all 14 pages

http://www.handloads.com/misc/stoppi....asp?Caliber=0

look at all the ~90% ONE shot stops
I wouldn't feel terribly comfortable carrying a gun that only worked 98% of the time. Why would I be satisfied with a 98% one shot stop percentage?

Besides, who's to say how accurate those numbers are... I wasn't there...

No reason to stop shooting unless your attacker has stopped, so keep the front sight on them and keep shooting until they are down... and train that way too...
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