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Old 07-23-2007, 18:16   #351
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Old 07-29-2007, 18:39   #352
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Caliber VS. Number of rounds available

My belief is that if it is worth shooting once, it is worth shooting again, shoot 'till they stop moving (or, in my G/F's case, twitching)

S&W Sigma .40GVE, 14+1=PAIN

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Old 07-30-2007, 06:35   #353
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In the table it lists 9mm and 9mm+P and 9mm+P+.

What's the difference?
+P is higher pressure and +P+ is higher still. Higher pressure as in chamber pressure. Basically, the charge is a little hotter. Recommended pressure for standard 9mm is 35,000 PSI and +P is 38,500 PSI.

For a bullet of a given weight the +P should generate a higher velocity than standard 9mm and +P+ should generate a higher velocity than +P.

I believe that +P is a saami standard and +P+ is not a standard. Personally, I stay away from the +P+ stuff but I do use +P. IIRC 9mm Glocks are rated for +P.

For self defense, if you go with a +P with a lighter bullet, like a 115gr, you should have a pretty decent stopper there.

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Old 09-14-2007, 21:56   #354
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I think Jeff Cooper said it best - "Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.

Its what you do with it that counts.

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Old 09-21-2007, 13:49   #355
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Kinetic Energy = 1/2 Mass x Velocity squared.

Doubling the mass doubles the kinetic energy, but doubling the velocity quadruples the kinetic energy.

A small caliber bullet traveling as a high speed can produce a more extensive injury than a large caliber bullet traveling at a lower speed. Velocity is the key factor in the extend of the injury, because contributes more to the kinetic energy produced than does the mass.

This is just one reason to consider use +P ammo in the range of 1200 fps velocity in the range of 400 ft lbs of kinetic energy for a 9mm hollow point.

Some Popular High Energy 9mm hollow points include:

Winchester Ranger +P+ 115 gr is rated at 1320 fps and 444 ft lbs
CorBon +P 115 gr is rated at 1317 fps and 442 ft lbs
Speer Gold Dot +P 124 gr is rated at 1223 fps and 411 ft lbs
Speer Gold Dot 115 gr is rated at 1259 fps and 404 ft lbs
Federal HST +P 124 gr is rated at 1200 fps and 395 ft lbs

It's no wonder all of these cartridges are so highly rated, because they produce about 400 ft lbs of kinetic energy.

Compare these numbers to some popular 147 gr 9mm bullets:

Winchester Ranger Talon 147 gr is rated at 1017 fps and 337 ft lbs
Federal HydraShok 147 gr is rated at 935 fps and 285 ft lbs
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr is rated at 924 fps and 278 ft lbs

The 147 gr 9mm bullets don't produce anywhere near the 400 ft lbs of energy produced by the lighter, faster bullets. Velocity is the key factor to producing the most kinetic energy.

Bullet design, expansion and penetration depth are also considering factors when choosing a cartridge.

Source: FBI terminal ballistic testing data
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Old 09-22-2007, 14:51   #357
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I have seen so many NIJ studies in the past 2 decades that I would NOT rely on a hand gun as a primary weapon for defense, let alone offense. In the last 100 years we can draw a conclusion there is no RULE on how the human body reacts to gun shot wounds. From WWI, WW@ and forward we can find 1000's of accounts where men have been hit even with machine gun fire and still survived long enough to take out the shooter. This is the best advice I can give, take cover always if possible, shoot to stop and don't stop shooting till the bad actor is down. Even then don't leave cover until you are certain the bad actor is completely incapacitated. Yes even on the ground he can get to a backup and kill you as you approach. Take this advice as even a deer hunter knows that after a deer hit with multiple 30-06 rounds have been known to lie there looking as if it was deceased and then suddenly attacked violently. I prefer the 10MM, why? It has the best combination of 3 important factors. 1. caliber, bore size, and wound channel opening. Yes the biger the hole the better, but thats not all thats needed. 2. velocity! this is important, the higher the velocity in a hand gun the better chance of shock trauma, causing the bad actor to go into shock, reducung his ability to effectively fight back. Theres More! 3. Energy! this is a combination of several factors I will name a few, bullet weight, velocity and the energy expended in the body before the bullet leaves. The bullet has a certain amount of energy as it leaves the barrel and whats important is how much of the energy will be directly applied to the human body. Now I did say this a little different that the calculator carrying ballistic nerds who never had to first hand witness and or participate in gun battles. But imagine this, you have a kids plactic baseball bat and a louisville slugger, now they are exactly the same size, which one will take the bad guy out with a single blow? Theres going to be a test on this so get it right. Obviously the slugger, made of a heavy dense wood. The slugger will have more energy.
I have a different way of explaining things but you get the point I am sure. Don't always rely on nerds who have no real life experiences throwing figures at you, these figures can never compensate for real life exprerieces and common sense, they can only be an additional aid in the design and application of the caliber for the job.
I prefer the 10mm because it has the best combination of velocity, bullet weight, and bullet diameter to do the job. Problem is, instead of spending the money on training they have opted to compensate by lowering the levels so anyone can qualify with the lesser .40 cal which is basically a weal 10MM.
I when in harms way always carry my Benelli Tactical, or if I am able to, I carry a HK 91. In a urban enviorment the HK 91 might be over kill, but then the CAR 15 is used.

Never be a hero, or take risks, heros are for television and movies, and most of them wind up dead. If you are dead you can't help anymore
and your death will send a cold chill down the spine of anyone thinking about helping stop the violence.
Take cover, make sure theres not hidden accomplices, and vests on the bad actors. More and more bad guys are wearing vests!! Another reason to have a long gun ready. A hand gun should only be a last resort weapon.

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Old 09-22-2007, 15:14   #358
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i can't believe some of you guys believe someone could get hit with 5 rounds of .45 and say they felt like bee stings. 9 out of 10 bad guys hit with a .45 go down after one shot. thats not me just making stuff up thats police statistics.8 out of 10 bad guys go down after 2 shots with a .40.....9mm is a whole different story.don't believe these fairy tales. you get hit with a 230 grain hydro shoc .45 bullet you are out of the fight no matter how good the pcp is you just smoked......
You don't have to believe it, but history is full of first hand acounts that have been verified, and the National Institute of Justice ( NIJ ) has done exhaustive studies and yes it has happned and will continue to happen. I even have first hand knowledge if similer situations with the Detroit Police Dept and the City covering up accounts where the .40 cal has literally bounced of assailents heavy coats and windshields. After talking to Federal and hearing the denials and knowing the truth, I would advise you take a harder look instead of believeing myths. Remember LIABILITY is the number one factor why we are lied to. There are also NIJ studies of the 45acp hollow points not taking down bad guys. Remember this, as much as I love the 45 acp, I know the velocity is often not enough to make the hollow points expand, and a un-expanded hollow point is nothing more than a FMJ in it efectiveness. My experiences prove that unless the bullet at the muzzle exceeds 1200 FPS the hollow point is unpredictable in its ability to open up if it hits soft tissue. Remember a chest shot will NEVER gurantee a bone hit, many times that hollow point passes between ribs and effectively is only a soft tissue wound. Don't believe people who spend their lives reading and sitting on the internet. Believe the ten of thousands of us who have been there. Common sense should always prevail. Computer statistics and models are not real life.
There was a celebrated case in the early 70's where a punk broke into a home in Detroit and the punk empties a 44 magnum st point blank range into a home owner, and that home owner literally killed the punk afterwards with his bare hands. That home owner survived! the Punk didn't. I found it hard to believe and for a few years thought it might have been exaggerated or maybe it was a 22 pistol till one day I met that homeowner. I now believe it because it was true. Maybe it was the hand of God, pure luck, or just Karama finally coming back on that punk, we will never know... Theres many many accounts of men taking whats should have been instant death hits and survived. Some things can never be explianed. But this I know, there is NO magic bullet!
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the guy survived more than one .44 mag being shot into him? That is amazing. Very hard to believe though. Those things are very powerful.
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the guy survived more than one .44 mag being shot into him? That is amazing. Very hard to believe though. Those things are very powerful.
This is really not unusual as it might seem. Too many gun lovers watch way too many Arnold movies where someone gets hit on the pinky finger with a round and their body flies through the air, hollywood BS. Whe I was 15 my not so bright buddy accidentally discharged a rifle in my chest, I had no idea I was hit and proceeded to ***** at him for being so stupid telling him what if someone got hit, while he stared at me in shock. It was a few minutes later that I felt a slight burning sensation and a warm feeling on my stomach, when I looked down I saw my white T shirt was now red. I quickly left in my car and drove to Detroit Metropolitan Hospital ER, and I have so say the worst part of the whole ordeal were the two Detroit Police officers yelling at me while I was being wheeled on a gurney "who shot you son, who shot you?" Hollywood has always exaggerated shootings to the point that gun owners think that guns are somehow magic. The National Institute of Justice has many many examples where people on PCP and other drugs took many rounds and still fought back. At close range I prefer my Benelli Tactical 12 gauge loaded with Number 4 Buck shot as it's a proven man stopper, and yes even better than 00 Buck!! Thst's not to say 00 isn't good, it's just proved the added pellets of 4 buckshot delivers far faster and more devastaing shock trauma wounds.

I say all this because I have seen enough shootings living and working Detroit that I will trust no hand gun as a "primary" weapon, and only as a last ditch defense weapon. I have seen several street thugs shot several times *****ing and complaining when the medics try and help them, some may eventually bleed out and die, but thats a LONG wait when they are shooting back. Big bore plus high velocity and a good hollow point makes a better stopper. But not a perfect and foolproof weapon..
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Old 10-05-2007, 16:04   #361
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anyone who believes that someone who had a .44 magnum emptied into him and then killed the attacker also believes in the tooth fairy santa clause and the easter bunny. amazing how people could believe that kind of nonsense. the israeli mosad; when they tracked down the killers of the israeli team at munich used guns to assasinate the plo killers. guess what caliber they used to kill all those arab terrorists?.22 s yes you read that right .israeli assination squads useds .22s exclusively. so don't believe that nonsense that if you shoot someone 4-5 times with a .45 that they will keep on coming. they are going down every time!!!!!taters
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Depends on what drug they're on. Theres opium junkies that get exited by pain ect... It is amazing but not impossible. Mozambique drill...
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anyone who believes that someone who had a .44 magnum emptied into him and then killed the attacker also believes in the tooth fairy santa clause and the easter bunny.
I agree 100%,but there's people on GT that will believe this no matter what,I gave up even trying after a while.It's still funny to read some of the stories people post of a friend they know who took a 45acp or a 44magnum in the chest or head and kept fighting and said he didn't know he was even shot
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!yo can tell them that them that the mosad killed all the plo terrorists with .22s their assination weapon of choice and it makes no difference.you are right i am done with this topic.
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Shot placement (and penetration) is the most important factor. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

Also, there are so many variables to consider outside of that (Drugs are one, but so is the individual), there's no science to it. It's not as simple an equation as some would have you believe. Sure you can say that perfect shot to CNS equals instant death, but it's just not always that simple...

Anyone who has been in combat can tell you that sometimes you can shoot a guy once and he will drop to the ground, whether the shot was fatal or not. Other times, you can shoot someone several times in the COM and they will continue to fight.

People have taken one shot w/ a .22 and dropped like a stone. There are USGI's that have been hit with several rounds of 8mm or 7.62x39 and lived to talk about it.

The bottom line is, when your life is on the line, shoot fast and accurate and don't stop until your opponent has stopped his attack...
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anyone who believes that someone who had a .44 magnum emptied into him and then killed the attacker also believes in the tooth fairy santa clause and the easter bunny. amazing how people could believe that kind of nonsense. the israeli mosad; when they tracked down the killers of the israeli team at munich used guns to assasinate the plo killers. guess what caliber they used to kill all those arab terrorists?.22 s yes you read that right .israeli assination squads useds .22s exclusively. so don't believe that nonsense that if you shoot someone 4-5 times with a .45 that they will keep on coming. they are going down every time!!!!!taters

How many crime scenes have you attended? How many gun shot victims have you interviewd? How about this? Ask a street veteran of 20 plus years whos worked the streets of detroit, Washington DC, Los Angeles or any violent city who has literally 100's of shootings. I find it instructive, those who argue the point and come up with statements like hit men use the 22 exclusively are people who have never had to shoot someone, or be shot at in the course of employment. Fact is the .22 is not the only weapond used by so called hit men, that's movie promoted fantasy to promote the idea that all hit men use a silencer. You remember the movies where they put silencers on magnum revolvers and stupidity like that, right? My employment put me on the streets of Detroit, I have seen many shootings, and seen people die from a single hit of a .25 and have seen people in Detroit recieveing Hospital with numerous gunshot wounds survive what should not be survivable. Shot placement is important as the case of the 44 magnum most of his hits were gut shots with nothing more than pass through would and some serious intestinal damage. had he taked a .22 in the spine he would most likely not have made it. I assumed everyone in here had enough intellect to grasp the point without me getting out the crayons. Shot placement is always a "given" and never to be lft out of the equasion, a magnum round grazing your buttocks is obviously not as serious as a 22 in the brain, but I assumed we are all adults here. And I assumed that shot placement would be a given, thats why in one of my posts i ridiculed the idea of someone gettting hit in the pinky finger and flying accross the room! Instead of petty insults and inane comments from people who have never seen a shooting scene, or have been involved in either a real fire fight, and spent the vast majority of their lives working a desk job or on an injection molding machine in a plastics factory claiming to know all. Let's have some serious conversation. I will trust the NIJ/Dept of Justice crime scene investigations over Joe the Janitors mythical fantasy of what really may almost possibly happen in a theorehtical movie gun fight. With out going into my entire littany of details of my career, I will give you the basics, I have worked as a detective, and bail agent after retirement. I spent 39 years living in the inner city of Detroit, and not the suburbs 50 miles away. I when a civilian before I was age 18 saw more shootings, dead bodies than most suburban officers have in an entire career in Law Enforcement. I know all the well that fresh smell of death. So if you have never been involved in a shooting, been shot, or have witnessed many shottings I will give this advice. Don't take your buddy's rumor of a rumor that came from his uncles, cousins, grandfathers, sisters, boyfriends account of what might have happned. Any deer hunter of many years can demonstrate that even what seems like the most perfect shot placement sometimes has resulted in that deer running off and either never found, or found days later sometimes a mile away from the shot. Look at the REAL data, compiled by REAL professionals and then use commons sense and it will tell you that in many occasions even the venerable big bores fail to bring them down right away, and in a gun fight that oftens lasts mere seconds in REAL life, you don't have time for someone to bleed out. Cover, shot placement, bore, velocity and penetration are all factors. And to the one who promotes penetration as the ultimate, thats completely wrong. In war many many thousands are wounded even with torso shots that fail to incapacitate or kill. And those round penetrate many times more that a handgun round. The secret is how much energy of the projectile is "expended" in the body, and not passed through. Many rounds simply pass through, thus I stated there is not just one consideration. Cover, shot placement, bore, velocity and penetration are all factors, and why do I say cover? That's obvious, it takes less than a second for the other persons rounds to hit you.
The human body for all we know of it is still sometimes a mystery, how some can take incredible trauma and survive, and some like that Famous French Mountain climber who died when he slipped and fell off his bike while it wasn't even moving... Some things can never be explained, and no handgun is the ultimate. I prefer my 10MM for the reasons stated ( bore, velocity and penetration ) Some prefer the 45, now I moved to a slightly more country setting to retire, and I am more likely to be confronted by some drunk psycho with a deer rifle or shotgun, or Pissed off Elk, Deer, or Bear, and yes even a vehical. So the 10MM will serve me better due to the increased pennetration with the loads I made for it. Saying all this, talk to that EMS driver in Detroit who has treated many gun shot victims, or that street officer who has been there 20 plus years, not Dirty Harry a creation of some movie director who never held a gun in his life...

Oh to the assertion that the 22 is the most used hit mans weapon of choice, NOT true, in most cities the use 9MM, 45, it doesnt matter because no one tells, no one see's anything, they walk right up to you in a crowd and empty a gun into you and walk away and that crowd soon has memory problems, thats reality! The 45 acp has often been used with a silencer in the ""mafia"" style hits also. The 45 is actually a far better "hitman's" weapon in real life when a silencer is employed for the most obvious reasons... I don't need to get the crayons out to explain this? Do I?

...I answered several posts with just this one, forgive my long winded approach, I didn't see the need to write 8 different posts..

Forgive my typos I was in a hurry and didn't see a spell checker...
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Shot placement (and penetration) is the most important factor. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

Also, there are so many variables to consider outside of that (Drugs are one, but so is the individual), there's no science to it. It's not as simple an equation as some would have you believe. Sure you can say that perfect shot to CNS equals instant death, but it's just not always that simple...

Anyone who has been in combat can tell you that sometimes you can shoot a guy once and he will drop to the ground, whether the shot was fatal or not. Other times, you can shoot someone several times in the COM and they will continue to fight.

People have taken one shot w/ a .22 and dropped like a stone. There are USGI's that have been hit with several rounds of 8mm or 7.62x39 and lived to talk about it.

The bottom line is, when your life is on the line, shoot fast and accurate and don't stop until your opponent has stopped his attack...

this quote (((Shot placement (and penetration) is the most important factor. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.)) makes everyone in law enforcement and all the FBI wound ballistics peoples fools then. Other than shot placement which should be a given! A grazing hit to ones BUTT CHEEK would not be considered a good placed shot, so that I agree on. But at Quantico they disagree with penetration and so does the Military. The effect a penetration is ONLY part of the equation. The ammount of energy that is expended into the body is the crucial factor! This is one of many considerations, velocity, pennetration, Bore size either by expansion or pure bore/bullet diameter, and the ammont of shock trauma to the central nervous system. If Penetration was the only factor other than shot placement then the full metal jacket 9MM should do well, but we all know thats completely disproven, with many NIJ studies of bad boys taking many rounds of 9MM FMJ and still fighting for considerable amounts of time. The closest one can get to a one shot incapacitating hit the better. That's Obvious right?

I agree with the rest of your statements those are proven in battle many thousands of times over. Penetration is only one of many factors. Energy expended on the body is the ultimate factor of you want a single answer. How much "shock trauma" will the bullet expend. Shutting down the central nervous system is crucial to stopping a gun battle. I you have encounted a mentally ILL person you will be shocked at what it taked to incapacitate them sometimes, not even someone on PCP can equal what a seriously mentally ILL person can take, in some cases..

You are right there are many factors....

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sorry pal but you are way wrong. read the book not the movie. the mosad used 22s exclusively.not my opinion just fact.i grew up in one of the worst sections of nyc and spent 2 years in viet nam as a grunt. maybe not as good a resume as your but sufficient. hit someone with a .45 more than once and he is going down. and that's my last response. i just can't take the ignorance anymore....
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I just read through this entire thread and wanted to chime in.

I used to ride with a buddy while he was on duty on the weekends and one night a 17 year old kid about 160 pounds and 5'10" tall took four .45 acp rounds to the chest. He got in his car, drove to the hospital and walked in under his own power and said that he had been shot. Five days later he drove himself home. I was standing there when my buddy took the report at the hospital.

I also had a cousin that was killed while at a car wash. Some gang members walked up to him and shot him once with a .25 auto to the head and he dropped so fast he never even let go of the spray wand. He was 6'5" 300 pounds.

Placement and luck, that is what it is all about.
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anyone who believes a 160 pound kid took 4 bullets of .45 caliber in the chest and drove to the hospital and then was released 5 days later should check himself into a mental hospital. how could anyone believe nonsense like this fairy tale?amazing
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Well I guess because I was standing there.
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and what were you smoking when you were standing there? i guess the guy drove himself home from the hospital 5 days later because he was a good guy and did not have any charges against him. i guess he also had not one friend who would come to the hospital and pick him up since he was only shot 4 times in the chest with a .45....lol u guys do make me laugh ... keep the fiction coming, thanks ,taters
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It really does depend on shot placement. Now that story probably was exaggerated a bit, but its still possible that he survived and got out a week later. Not a likly scenario but still (barely) possible.
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