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Old 09-16-2014, 12:39   #1
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Wolf Gold M193 ammo - $299.50 - Free Shipping!

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Wolf Gold 223 Remington Ammo 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket - $299.50/1,000 - Free Shipping!


Goin' like hotcakes...




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Old 09-17-2014, 11:25   #2
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Not M193. It's not even 5.56.

This is .223 55gr FMJ. Not the same thing.

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Not M193. It's not even 5.56.

This is .223 55gr FMJ. Not the same thing.
True, but any 5.56mm AR chamber should be just fine with it and unless you are competing, the difference is pretty nil.

I've shot about 200 hundred rounds of it through a DD and S&W AR (both 16-inch tubes) and it is as accurate (out to 200 yards) and reliable as any PMC or American Eagle.

Finding ANY.223/5.56 factory ammo at $0.30 DELIVERED is a very good deal.

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True, but any 5.56mm AR chamber should be just fine with it and unless you are competing, the difference is pretty nil.

I've shot about 200 hundred rounds of it through a DD and S&W AR (both 16-inch tubes) and it is as accurate (out to 200 yards) and reliable as any PMC or American Eagle.

Finding ANY.223/5.56 factory ammo at $0.30 DELIVERED is a very good deal.
Of course I know that any 5.56 can shoot .223. That was not my point. M193 has a cannelure and a thinner jacket, and that is why it fragments easier than your typical 55gr FMJ. The bullet is also sealed, and the primer is sealed and crimped. And there is no such thing as .223 M193. It HAS to be 5.56.

M193 is a military designation for certain ammunition specs, which this Wolf Gold is definitely not.

I don't deny it's a good deal, though. It has been a few years since brass-cased .223 could be had for $300 per thousand.

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Of course I know that any 5.56 can shoot .223. That was not my point. M193 has a cannelure and a thinner jacket, and that is why it fragments easier than your typical 55gr FMJ. The bullet is also sealed, and the primer is sealed and crimped. And there is no such thing as .223 M193. It HAS to be 5.56.

M193 is a military designation for certain ammunition specs, which this Wolf Gold is definitely not...
Fascinating...

Did you, by any chance, bother to watch the vid attached?

(I hope not)


Here is a little more information for you to ignore:

As a US ally, the military of Taiwan uses 5.56 NATO ammunition in its rifles and machine guns. Taiwan's defense contractors, seeking an external market for their extra production capacity, have partnered with Wolf to bring you this 5.56 NATO ammo. Unlike some of Wolf's other ammo imports, these new production rounds, packaged in a case of 1,000, are manufactured to M193 ball ammo specs, using a 55 grain copper jacketed bullet that leaves the muzzle at around 3,240 feet per second. These cartridges use non-corrosive Boxer primers and reloadable brass cases. They're a great choice if you want to take your shooting costs down a notch while still using mil-spec, brass-cased ammo in your AR-15.


And, before you get all emotional over the muzzle velocity drop?

Wolf Gold Ammunition
Muzzle Velocity: 3248 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 1283 ft. lbs.

Federal Lake City Ammunition (XM193)
Muzzle Velocity: 3290 feet per second
Muzzle Energy: 1322 ft. lbs


Forty-Two(42 fps) feet per second, or One-point-Two-Eight(1.28%) percent.

This is much better looking, commercial grade ammo. No dents/dings/scrapes/gouges like the LC XM193 bulk.




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Old 09-17-2014, 15:25   #6
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By definition if it's .223 and not 5.56 it CANNOT be "manufactured to M193 ball ammo specs".

Ammoman's description that it is 5.56 is misleading at best.

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By definition if it's .223 and not 5.56 it CANNOT be "manufactured to M193 ball ammo specs".

Ammoman's description that it is 5.56 is misleading at best.
.223 is coloquially used to designate 5.56mm.

On my Galil, it stamped ".223/5.56mm". What do you think?

Was the gun chambered for .223 or was it chambered for 5.56mm?
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Anyway, $0.30/round of brass case brand new factory ammo is good stuff. Other than Tula and Wolf steel case ammo, the cheapest I've found was the Turkish ZQI 5.56 NATO (yes, NATO - even have the NATO spec printed on the box) at Wally World for $0.33/round.
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This.
Last weekend I shot 2 boxes of the ZQI with zero issues.
Local WM (no more 3-box limits except .22) has it and at $10 for a 30-round box, it is the cheapest I've seen for quite some time.
I will not hesitate to stock up on it.
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Box says .223. M193 can ONLY be 5.56. And anyone who says .223 and 5.56 are the same simply doesn't know what they are talking about.

It's fake M193. Marketing gimmick for those who will fall for it. The bullet is probably just standard fair 55gr FMJ, which is not the same as an M193 55gr FMJ.

.223 is NOT the colloquial equivalent of 5.56. Your barrels says .223/5.56 because it is chambered in 5.56 and can therefore shoot both.

5.56 runs at a higher pressure.

I suggest you educate yourself, dude.

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Wolf Gold M193 ammo - $299.50 - Free Shipping!

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Box says .223. M193 can ONLY be 5.56. And anyone who says .223 and 5.56 are the same simply doesn't know what they are talking about.

It's fake M193. Marketing gimmick for those who will fall for it.

Neither .308 nor 7.62 are the same but close enough for government work.

How many .223 loads you see have sealed primers?

BTW, my Tikka T3 Lite .223 can also shoot 5.56 as well. So before you get on your high horse, educate yourself.

You think that you're the only person that knows the subtle differences between the military and commercial versions of these cartridges?


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Neither .308 nor 7.62 are the same but close enough for government work.
Try a hot .308 in a 7.62 semi-auto rifle. Have fun.

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How many .223 loads you see have sealed primers?
Almost none, which is my point exactly.

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BTW, my Tikka T3 Lite .223 can also shoot 5.56 as well. So before you get on your high horse, educate yourself.
That is because it is a bolt gun and can handle the higher pressure. I never said a 5.56 would not chamber in a .223 rifle. That was YOUR assumption.

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You think that you're the only person that knows the subtle differences between the military and commercial versions of these cartridges?
Thank you for agreeing with me.

Bottom line, everything else can be right, but if it's .223, then it's not M193, as M193 HAS TO BE 5.56.

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Try a hot .308 in a 7.62 semi-auto rifle. Have fun.
My .308 semiautos have handled hot .308 handloads just fine.
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Thank you for agreeing with me.

Bottom line, everything else can be right, but if it's .223, then it's not M193, as M193 HAS TO BE 5.56.
The markings on commercial ammo means little. Unlike military ammunition which have to have correct nomenclatures, commercial ammo manufacturers can put whatever they want on the box as long as it meets some basic requirements. Back in the 1980s, plenty of Israeli ammo imported marked as .223 even though the same ammo was also sold to the US Army and marked as 5.56mm.

Nowadays, ammo makers tend to be a bit more discerning with the markings because American shooters are more educated. Nonetheless, that Wolf Gold could very well be M193 and not marked as such. After all, the ammo already has sealed primers - that's one of the indicators. It doesn't take much to examine the bullet to see if it has a cannelure and whether or not it's crimped.
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...that Wolf Gold could very well be M193 and not marked as such. After all, the ammo already has sealed primers - that's one of the indicators. It doesn't take much to examine the bullet to see if it has a cannelure and whether or not it's crimped.
One only has to look as far as the vid in the OP...


...to find that Both the primers And bullets are sealed, and that the bullet is, in fact, cannelured.



As for Taiwan's ability to produce MilSpec ammo...?

Taiwan replenishing US 5.56 ammunition stocks



Or the quality of this ammo...?

Wolf is working with a Taiwanese arsenal now producing this ammunition.

20 rounds out of an M16A2 20 inch barrel at 1030 feet above sea level
with an ambient temp of 80 degrees F gave an average velocity of 3224 fps
and a SD of 19 fps

Out of a 16 inch 1-7 inch twist barrel it gave an average of 3074 fps
and a SD of 19 fps for 20 rounds.

I fired three 10 round groups off the bench using a Les Baer Ultimate National
Match Space Gun using the competition iron sights. Average group size at 100 yards
was 1.2 inches.

Zero issues encountered with it out of a 16, 20 and 24 inch gun.

Good news that Wolf has brought another manufacturer into the US market....





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One only has to look as far as the vid in the OP...

Wolf Gold .223 Ammo - YouTube

...to find that Both the primers And bullets are sealed, and that the bullet is, in fact, cannelured.



As for Taiwan's ability to produce MilSpec ammo...?

Taiwan replenishing US 5.56 ammunition stocks



Or the quality of this ammo...?

Wolf is working with a Taiwanese arsenal now producing this ammunition.

20 rounds out of an M16A2 20 inch barrel at 1030 feet above sea level
with an ambient temp of 80 degrees F gave an average velocity of 3224 fps
and a SD of 19 fps

Out of a 16 inch 1-7 inch twist barrel it gave an average of 3074 fps
and a SD of 19 fps for 20 rounds.

I fired three 10 round groups off the bench using a Les Baer Ultimate National
Match Space Gun using the competition iron sights. Average group size at 100 yards
was 1.2 inches.

Zero issues encountered with it out of a 16, 20 and 24 inch gun.

Good news that Wolf has brought another manufacturer into the US market....





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So it had all the appearance of 5.56mm M193 but because the box said .223 on it, then it simply couldn't be 5.56mm...


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So it had all the appearance of 5.56mm M193 but because the box said .223 on it, then it simply couldn't be 5.56mm...


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You must be horrible at math if you don't understand that .223 is different than 5.56.
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Shot some WG vs XM193 out of my LE6920. WG was about 50fps slower but more accurate and some very nice looking ammo. So whatever it is I bought to much. Could not stop myself at that price.

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