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View Poll Results: Your choice for the next factory .45Colt loading
200gr @ 1350fps (safe for all modern guns) 29 9.93%
230gr @ 1250fps (safe for all modern guns) 34 11.64%
255gr @ 1150fps (safe for all modern guns) 89 30.48%
300gr @ 1000fps (safe for all modern guns) 45 15.41%
200gr @ 1500fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 9 3.08%
255gr @ 1400fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 36 12.33%
300gr @ 1300fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 33 11.30%
335gr @ 1250fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 17 5.82%
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Old 02-27-2005, 22:40   #26
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I need a few more votes guys. C'mon, I know there are more .45Colt lovers out there!
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Old 03-08-2005, 19:53   #28
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Yes, there is some more 45 Colt lovers out here/there, and Mike, i'm sure you know i am one of them, but MAN, you did NOT have my favorite choice. ;f

As, i think it was turbonatr, pointed out concerning "John Linebaugh,"
using the 300gr. cast at 1000fps, this is a 'great load.'

I load 'just a bit more' than that. A 300gr. cast, at 1150fps is my real all time favorite, and was also, a favorite of Keith as well, (as he had several favorites it seems).

I'm not so sure that 200gr. at 1350fps, is going to be to cool in 'some clones,' do ya think ?


Well, doggone it, since i can't 'get in the middle there.

I will vote for the 300gr. at 1000fps. Like i told a good friend of mine, 'this caliber' does not usually require much more than that to take down anything in N. America.


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IIRC, John Linebaugh's wife uses a 260gr. Keith slug at 900fps to take mule deer. John reports this load will fully penetrate a mule deer length-wise at 100+ yards. He also says it goes through elk like butter. He has used the same bullet at 1400fps and feels the added velocity doesn't kill any faster.

I'd say a 300gr. at 1000fps will do just fine providing a proper bullet.
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McNett,
On the self defense side of it, have you considered the 250gr Gold Dot bullet? I just got some in today (factory loaded) and it's a really gnarly looking big bullet.

I say we get one of each, one hollow point, one cast. 250gr Gold Dot and that 300 grainer is looking fine too!
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IIRC, John Linebaugh's wife uses a 260gr. Keith slug at 900fps to take mule deer. John reports this load will fully penetrate a mule deer length-wise at 100+ yards. He also says it goes through elk like butter. He has used the same bullet at 1400fps and feels the added velocity doesn't kill any faster.

This is correct. What some people 'do not realize,' is that 'this caliber' has 'tremedous potential' even at lower, or slower, velocities.

Not the 1400fps, speed/s, which i agree 'is way to much,' and 'not needed,' IMHO, (if that speed is needed in 'this caliber', then get a 454 casull).


I use 300gr. and 260gr. cast, and i stay between 1000/1200fps, usually falling in the '1100fps area,' with a 300gr Cast. This is plenty, but as was stated, so is 950fps! This is one versitile caliber, and has been 'long over due' for more respect than what it has had over the last couple of decades. I am glad to see Mcnett, 'bringing interest' in on this truly wonderful caliber!



This caliber is great for...'MICE to MOOSE,' as one fellow put it.


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This is correct. What some people 'do not realize,' is that 'this caliber' has 'tremedous potential' even at lower, or slower, velocities.

Not the 1400fps, speed/s, which i agree 'is way to much,' and 'not needed,' IMHO, (if that speed is needed in 'this caliber', then get a 454 casull).


I use 300gr. and 260gr. cast, and i stay between 1000/1200fps, usually falling in the '1100fps area,' with a 300gr Cast. This is plenty, but as was stated, so is 950fps! This is one versitile caliber, and has been 'long over due' for more respect than what it has had over the last couple of decades. I am glad to see Mcnett, 'bringing interest' in on this truly wonderful caliber!



This caliber is great for...'MICE to MOOSE,' as one fellow put it.


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McNett,
On the self defense side of it, have you considered the 250gr Gold Dot bullet? I just got some in today (factory loaded) and it's a really gnarly looking big bullet.

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On the above post by " turbonatr ". (the one with the .45 Colt pic)

Someone on this forum had a thread called "Why do you prefer a revolver?" Well, "Look at the pic," turbonatr posted!

Yes i like semi-auto's, got a bunch. But i do prefer the revolver.
For Huntng, obviously, and i carry one on the ranch all the time, and have forever. For CC in town, i switch back and forth some what, 'when' i carry.

I've been shot at, ( back in the 60's, enough said), and i don't want 'any gun' pointed at me again. 'Any gun' in your face, or out of the brush, is scary as heck.

BUT, man there is something about the revolver, looking into those 'great big hollow points' in the cylinder, that will 'melt you like wax!'

Mcnett, you wanted us to get on the 'SD' side of things for a spell here, well, i too would like to see a 250gr. GD, (and i will throw this in), a 250gr. XTP, for 'SD' in the .45Colt.

Mcnett seems to be a man of many surprises here lately!


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The factory Speer 250gr. Gold Dot averaged about 700fps from my 4" model 25. They are advertised by Speer at 900fps, i'm guessing from a bit longer barrel. An honest 900fps or so from a 4" barrel would be perfection IMHO.
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An honest 900fps or so from a 4" barrel would be perfection IMHO.

I just went to Speer's website, and noticed they have a 250gr .45 colt, going 900fps, for 450 M.E. Interesting to note, that they 'do not' have 'anything' listed under their hunting line up! Weird!
And they consider this laod a a "plinking load," to "small game."
Man even at 900fps, that bullet should blow a hole big enough to pitch a dog through!

I see that Cor-bon has a 200gr. at 1100fps, and 537 M.E. This, IMHO, 'Would Not' be ideal for a 4" carry gun.

I think from the 4", for SD, that somewhere between the 900/975, would be a really good load. As you said, " An HONEST 900, 'or so.'

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Sorry i forgot you had just mentioned the Speer GD, from 'your gun,' when i wrote that first part here... ;f

I see they used a 5.5" barrel, (of who knows what), but your right, and "Honest" 900/975, from the 4" would be Ideal for SD.


Since i reload, (as most of us do), i really did not realize how 'little' there is out there, in a 'decent' load for the .45 colt.


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The hotter the better!

Hot stuff Mike, Hot stuff! Show that 44magnum whats up.;f There are already too many "dumb" down loads for the .45colt. We need more hunting loads!
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Hot stuff Mike, Hot stuff! Show that 44magnum whats up. There are already too many "dumb" down loads for the .45colt. We need more hunting loads!

My man, i respect your desire for something HOT, but that is already the 'mind set problem,' with the 45 colt. It 'does not' take that much from 'this caliber' to bring down game. This is not a "magic caliber," i understand that, yet it is a 'very unique one.' !

It truly will hold it's own "ALREADY," with the 44mag. Even with lower veloscity loads. Oh perhaps not on paper, or the feel in the palm of your hand, but i can tell ya from three decades of shooting and reloading the big bores, that "on the business end," it very much so, 'holds it's own' with the 44mag, again, even with the lower veloscity rounds.

Talking HOT here, i still load 22.0grs, of 2400 behind a 250gr. Keith bullet in 44mag. that puppy is going 1425/1440fps, with a "250gr, bullet."


With a 265gr.bullet in the .45 colt, at even 900/1100fps, this will, with a hard cast bullet, blow a major hole through and through an Elk.
Hardly no recoil at all, compared to the Keith load in the 44mag, retro-rocket load, and a 'bigger hole to boot.' ;f


I ain't tryin to rain on your desires here, 'not at all,' nor am i claming to be a expert, 'never met one of them for real yet,' I am just saying that even at the lower velosity rounds, "on the business end," the .45 colt has 'already embarrassed the 44mag,' and i shoot and love both, but the .45 colt far the more.

I think all that 'speed desire,' is over on the .357sig forum!


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My man, i respect your desire for something HOT, but that is already the 'mind set problem,' with the 45 colt. It 'does not' take that much from 'this caliber' to bring down game. This is not a "magic caliber," i understand that, yet it is a 'very unique one.' !

It truly will hold it's own "ALREADY," with the 44mag. Even with lower veloscity loads. Oh perhaps not on paper, or the feel in the palm of your hand, but i can tell ya from three decades of shooting and reloading the big bores, that "on the business end," it very much so, 'holds it's own' with the 44mag, again, even with the lower veloscity rounds.

Talking HOT here, i still load 22.0grs, of 2400 behind a 250gr. Keith bullet in 44mag. that puppy is going 1425/1440fps, with a "250gr, bullet."


With a 265gr.bullet in the .45 colt, at even 900/1100fps, this will, with a hard cast bullet, blow a major hole through and through an Elk.
Hardly no recoil at all, compared to the Keith load in the 44mag, retro-rocket load, and a 'bigger hole to boot.' ;f


I ain't tryin to rain on your desires here, 'not at all,' nor am i claming to be a expert, 'never met one of them for real yet,' I am just saying that even at the lower velosity rounds, "on the business end," the .45 colt has 'already embarrassed the 44mag,' and i shoot and love both, but the .45 colt far the more.

I think all that 'speed desire,' is over on the .357sig forum!


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How about this old timer.....I shoot a .45colt in a Ruger platform and I would like more speed, Its my desire not yours so please, you shoot what you like and I will do the same. No offense, but your opinion was not asked for. Mike asked what we liked as individuals, this is what I like, and what I would prefer to see from DoubleTap. As far as my request for speed, I would like to see a .45colt retain some serious energy and velocity at long distances for larger game. Thanks though, PGH
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canyonman , definetely know what he is talkin about. A good huntin load don't need all of that speed to be good, and surely not needed for larger game animals.

I Talk to Canyonman and another hunter ( extensively ) that has honestly hunted every big game species in this hemisphere and africa and down in the land of oz, and this fellow has taken most of every thing with a bullet in the weights of 300gr ( jhp or hardcast ) and dig this, the load he is using are under 1150fps. Yeap under 1150fps! The biggest animal he has taken was a elephant and giraffee and the elephant did need almost the full cylinder as how he put it.

take it from their experience you don't need anything much hotter than that and specially on this side of the pond. the extra blast & recoil does no more towards killing the game.


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So does that apply to the 10mm too. A 180 grain bullet going 1150 is just as good as a full power double tap load going 1350. Sounds like good logic. That extra recoil and blast is not needed. Heck the 45 acp with 230 grain bullets at 990 sound just dandy.
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At 100 yards a 250gr 45colt round starting at aprx 1000fps(@muzzle) will have about as much energy transfer as a 9mm, not to mention a POA drop of about 5-6 inches. Penetration and energy distribution would be severly reduced, I just "personally" would like something a bit faster to flatten trajectory and retain its energy for larger game hunting at further distances.
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I went with the 255s at 1150. Right now, in my Taurus 450, I carry 225 gr Silvertips in town and 260 SWC at about 900fps when in the woods. I think the new 255s would cover both situations well for me although I wonder what the recoil out of a 17 oz gun would be like.
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{A 180 grain bullet going 1150 is just as good as a full power double tap load going 1350. Sounds like good logic. }

for humans and for SD, that argument might fly for the 10mm, but the above post was based on a hunting load & caliber on big game animals using a bigger bullet that weighs about 40-55% more. The 45colt doesn't has to be driven as hard as some think to be effective cartridge on big game animals.

And I wouldn't ever dream of comparing a SD ammo to a hunting ammo and their needs and requirements. A totally different approach is needed to kill game animals and stopping people, which is what you are trying todo, plus we ( humans) aren't built in the same fashion as out counterparts that have manes, horns and 4 legs

From what I read, in the older days when hunters & soliders kill buffs and elk, they did it with far less inferior guns & bullets and all where going much slower than suggest velocities that we heard about and are seeing today.

Just something to remember.
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How about this old timer.....I shoot a .45colt in a Ruger platform and I would like more speed, Its my desire not yours so please, you shoot what you like and I will do the same. No offense, but your opinion was not asked for. Mike asked what we liked as individuals, this is what I like, and what I would prefer to see from DoubleTap. As far as my request for speed, I would like to see a .45colt retain some serious energy and velocity at long distances for larger game. Thanks though, PGH

Hoss, there is so much i would like to say about your post, but these "tired old feeble hands" just can't get going this morning, you know us 'old timers'!

You do have a 'very valid point though.' That being, 'you shoot what you want to.' ;f


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I'm with Pat, make it a Gold Dot. In the other calibers, the GDHP seem to function well in a really wide velocity window (as evidenced by DT 9x25, 10mm etc).....

I'm thinking a 'medium' velocity (read just a tad over the usual commercial stuff) heavy GDHP in a 45LC would be a dandy general-purpose round.

A full-jacketed round for toothy critters would also be welcome; a deep-penetrator with controllable recoil and safe for Smiths.

On an unrelated note....McNett did you get my email via your website about custom 10mm loadings?
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You do have a 'very valid point though.' That being, 'you shoot what you want to.' ;f


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At 100 yards a 250gr 45colt round starting at aprx 1000fps(@muzzle) will have about as much energy transfer as a 9mm, not to mention a POA drop of about 5-6 inches. Penetration and energy distribution would be severly reduced, I just "personally" would like something a bit faster to flatten trajectory and retain its energy for larger game hunting at further distances.
I too respect your desired load. More power to ya.

I think what the other posters were saying is that the 45 Colt has the advantage of bullet diameter and bullet weight on it's side. These are the only two constants we have when the bullet leaves the barrel. Comparing it to a 9mm isn't quite right as the 9mm isn't .452" and doesn't shoot a bullet weighing 300+gr. The 45 Colt is used regularly to take large game out past 100 yards with mid-weight bullets (for example a 260gr. slug) at low-modest velocity (about 900fps or so). Penetration is excellent as this load will fully penetrate a mule deer at 100 yards while still being far from a magnum load. This being the case, "energy transfer" doesn't mean diddly as once we have shot through game, we have done all we can do. The only thing we do by increasing velocity is extend range by flattening out trajectory.

But, like I said, I respect your desire for magnum-class 45 Colt loads. Just wanted to point out a few things concerning the 45 Colt "mid-power" loads. ;c
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The load I am checking out at this time is: Hornady 250gr HP/XTP in front of 8.3gr of Power Pistol.

I shoot that in the .454 Ruger SRW and the accuracy is great while those things going out at a nominal 900fps offers the recoil as a gentle shove. The effect down range is, well, .45 Colt!
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