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Old 11-24-2014, 21:59   #1
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Is 10mm worth it if you don't reload?

Sorry if this has been discussed before. I couldn't find anything on it.

I am seriously considering a G20. I shot my first 10mm a few months ago and loved it. I love such a powerful auto handgun. However the rounds I shot were reloaded and I have heard that you just can't get the full potential/power of a 10mm unless you reload. Is this true?

I know reloading will be much cheaper in the long run but right now I don't really have time (going to be first time father very soon). One day I will hopefully. I'm not overly concerned with the price. I just hate to get a 10mm when it won't be much more than a .45ACP because I'm not a reloader.

So guys, what do you think? Is there ammo the shelves that will do the 10mm justice or should I just move on?
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Old 11-24-2014, 22:33   #2
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Get the 10mm. Order bulk ammo from Georgia arms. Good loads. Hotter than .40 but not full power. Great pricing. Save your cases and either sell them or start reloading later.
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Old 11-25-2014, 00:07   #3
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Not True.

Buffalo Bore and the old standby Winchester 175 gr Silvertip are full power rounds.

I also liked to shoot the reduced power 180 gr Fed-lite too. At 980 fps the recoil was pleasant.

Owning a 10mm 1026 S&W got me into hand-loading really quick. It was the only way I could afford to shoot it.

10mm is a niche cartridge that can be hard to find other than gun shops. The local X-mark won't have it.
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Old 11-25-2014, 00:11   #4
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Get it. Might as well reload, too.
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Old 11-25-2014, 00:53   #5
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The cost depends on how much you'll shoot a 10mm.

If you plan to use it as a regular firing range fun gun, it may not be affordable. If you want to shoot 20 rounds/month because you love the caliber and want to stay 'in touch' with it, it would be expensive recreation compared to less powerful ammo but shouldn't break the bank.

I don't understanding devoting considerable time and expense to hand loading unless you want to shoot that boomer a lot and/or rolling your own is something you just want to do. Lots of folks enjoy reloading for various reasons, and you might like it too.

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Old 11-25-2014, 05:07   #6
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Get the 10mm. Order bulk ammo from Georgia arms. Good loads. Hotter than .40 but not full power. Great pricing. Save your cases and either sell them or start reloading later.
I agree, but I would place an emphasis on getting bulk. Georgia Arms usually has ammo in stock but they go through periods similar to a drought, where they just can't seem to get want you want back in stock. Of course, the ammo scare didn't exactly help things.

I find that G-Arms has very consistent loads, and I have had few, if any, malfunctions with their ammo.
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Old 11-25-2014, 13:33   #7
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The cost depends on how much you'll shoot a 10mm.

If you plan to use it as a regular firing range fun gun, it may not be affordable. If you want to shoot 20 rounds/month because you love the caliber and want to stay 'in touch' with it, it would be expensive recreation compared to less powerful ammo but shouldn't break the bank.

I don't understanding devoting considerable time and expense to hand loading unless you want to shoot that boomer a lot and/or rolling your own is something you just want to do. Lots of folks enjoy reloading for various reasons, and you might like it too.
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I agree, but I would place an emphasis on getting bulk. Georgia Arms usually has ammo in stock but they go through periods similar to a drought, where they just can't seem to get want you want back in stock. Of course, the ammo scare didn't exactly help things.

I find that G-Arms has very consistent loads, and I have had few, if any, malfunctions with their ammo.
Echo GA. Save the brass and if not reloading, sell it. They generally use Starline brass.

For your upper end loads, look to Buffalo Bore and Underwood. Shot them both in my G20 and G32(357sig); I'm a little partial to Underwood. If you plan on shooting a lot....think about reloading.



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Old 11-25-2014, 14:54   #8
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Get the 10mm. Order bulk ammo from Georgia arms. Good loads. Hotter than .40 but not full power. Great pricing. Save your cases and either sell them or start reloading later.
^^^^This 100%. When you start really going thru 10mm (like thousands and thousands a year), revisit the idea of reloading.
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Old 11-25-2014, 14:55   #9
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A G20 will probably be my next gun purchase. My plan is to buy a conversion barrel for .40 S&W and shoot about 2/3's .40 S&W and about 1/3 10mm just to save some money. Being a big guy, I can handle and actually prefer a heavier gun so I think I may actuall prefer shooting .40 S&W out of a 20 rather than my 23.

Also being a big guy, I can conceal larger guns than most so I may just conceal the 20 in cooler months and leave the 23 in the safe. That would give me two more shots and more powerfull shots for self defense.
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Old 11-25-2014, 15:27   #10
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Get the 10mm. Order bulk ammo from Georgia arms. Good loads. Hotter than .40 but not full power. Great pricing. Save your cases and either sell them or start reloading later.
GA Arms says there 10mm is about 1100 fps, is that about what you would have guessed?
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Old 11-25-2014, 15:32   #11
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Echo GA. Save the brass and if not reloading, sell it. They generally use Starline brass.

For your upper end loads, look to Buffalo Bore and Underwood. Shot them both in my G20 and G32(357sig); I'm a little partial to Underwood. If you plan on shooting a lot....think about reloading.



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From looking at GA Arms and Freedom Munitions sites, it looks like bought in bulk, 10mm would run approx 41 or 42 cents a round. If you save your brass, would you be able to knock off say 5 to 10 cents per round off of that?
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Old 11-25-2014, 18:25   #12
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For SD, I buy Underwood. For range use, Freedom or GA.

I don't reload (Live in an apt.)

Still love the 10.
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Old 11-25-2014, 18:39   #13
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I just bought some 155 grain, 10mm Core Bond to keep laying around the house as a self defense round. I'll probably never shoot it, but I'd rather have factory ammo if I'm involved in a shooting.
ANYWAY, they advertise their muzzle velocity at like 1,450 fps, which I believe is hotter than anything I'd load up myself, so ....
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I have heard that you just can't get the full potential/power of a 10mm unless you reload. Is this true?
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I'm not overly concerned with the price. I just hate to get a 10mm when it won't be much more than a .45ACP because I'm not a reloader.
Actually, .45ACP generates about 370 foot pounds of energy, while you don't have to breathe on 10mm real hard to get it well over 500 foot pounds.

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10mm 180gr Speer Bonded Unicore Hollow Point +P Velocity: 1150 FPS = 528 foot pounds

10mm 155gr Speer Bonded Unicore Hollow Point +P
Velocity: 1375 FPS = 627 foot pounds


Compare .45 ACP 230 Grain @ 850 fps = 369 foot pounds
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From looking at GA Arms and Freedom Munitions sites, it looks like bought in bulk, 10mm would run approx 41 or 42 cents a round. If you save your brass, would you be able to knock off say 5 to 10 cents per round off of that?
Since I haven't began the reloading process, my comments are only questimations on cost and what others have told me. To answer your question, yes, if not more depending on how you purchase your supplies.



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Thanks for all the great info! I'm now officially sold. Looks like I know what Santa is getting me for Christmas

And I will go ahead and start saving my brass because I do plan on reloading one day.
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If you save your brass, would you be able to knock off say 5 to 10 cents per round off of that?
I did a spreadsheet on it about five years ago, and with those prices, I was loading plated 10mm for eleven cents a round. I'm sure prices have gone up some, but still saving more than five or ten cents a round.

If you're figuring it out yourself, there are 7000 grains in a pound of powder.
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Okay, I got off my butt and did a calculation with current prices with a purchase price of a four pound container of Unique, 500 rounds of Ranier 165 grain, 1000 Winchester large pistol primers. Cost when reusing brass is 18.5 cents
Cost with new Starline brass (directly from Starline) is 37.25 cents.

If I buy 1000 bullets, 5000 primers and eight pounds of powder, I can reload brass for 17.4 cents per round.


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Get the 10mm. You can always get a Conversion barrel for 9x25 Dillon and 40 S&W if you want to shoot those calibers. Georgia Arms usually runs some pretty good deals on their 'Canned Heat' 10mm rounds. Also, Freedom Munitions has it on occasion for an affordable price.
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Get the G20. Underwood or Buffalo Bore will give you the real deal, and that is well north of the performance of .45 Auto. Save your brass. You'll like the cartridge, and you'll likely enjoy reloading when you are ready to get to that step. THEN the G20 can really be exploited for its virtually unmatched versatility and ammo costs will be greatly reduced.

EDIT: At this point, I'd recommend the Gen 3 G20 (standard or SF). It seems like there are too many reports of Gen 4 issues. The Gen 3s are fantastic.

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Okay, I got off my butt and did a calculation with current prices with a purchase price of a four pound container of Unique, 500 rounds of Ranier 165 grain, 1000 Winchester large pistol primers. Cost when reusing brass is 18.5 cents
Cost with new Starline brass (directly from Starline) is 37.25 cents.

If I buy 1000 bullets, 5000 primers and eight pounds of powder, I can reload brass for 17.4 cents per round.


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Thanks for the info. How many rounds of 10mm should four pounds of Unique charge? What is a four pound container of Unique going for in your area?
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