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Old 12-17-2006, 14:57   #276
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Hi guys, back after losing my internet connection due to my ISP going dulally! (Quaint Brit expression )

OK back on subject,

No one asked me if I wanted to loose my right to self defense, no one asked me if I wanted the right to keep and bear arms, (and I DO by the way), and no one asked me what we should do after Dunblaine.

So this tosh about 90% of the Brit public wanted to ban handguns is WRONG. There was no vote as Brit subjects do not have rights in the same way as American citizens do.

The government is corrupt, both morally and legally, the only political party that will give us Brits the right to self defense and the tools for the job IF we qualify and IF we want them, is the BNP.

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This was a very good post up until the part about voting for the BNP.
This is an extremely anti-Semitic, anti-Black organization. Similar to the fascists.
What you say is wrong, this is an image of the BNP that has been portrayed by the media because they are in cahoots with the government. The BNP is NOT anti-Semitic, they are not anti-Black but they are PRO Brit which in this mad PC obsessed country is seen as anti everything!

There are only two choices for the indigenous people of Britain as far as I can see, leave the country or vote BNP.

If you read some of my other post here you can get a good idea of my values but to save you time I'm English first and only then am I British, I'm married with two children and have managed to bring them both up with a healthy respect for firearms and a belief in their own rights.

Er, was that a rant...

Oh and yes most of the British population have been brainwashed into believing the anti gun lie, “guns are evil, the Police will save you”. Just look at any of the rubbish put out by the BBC, Brit biased corp, and you will see what I mean.

Example look at Spooks, a Brit FBI style drama, the hero most of the time actually manages to “dodge” out the way of bullets fired by evil people using evil guns, and wins by talking or wrestling with the BG and taking the “evil gun” away!

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Old 02-15-2007, 11:49   #277
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South London shootings.

There has been a spate of gang related shootings involving teenagers in South London over the last ten days. The Police are getting a lot of pressure to do something about it. The BBC News website has an interesting talkback thread currently running which has responses from a number of British ex legal gun owners; it makes interesting reading.

http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...546&#paginator

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Old 06-20-2007, 13:14   #278
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Apologies if this has already been said; I only read the first 6 pages. Here in the UK we can actually own any firearm we like. No class of gun has ever been banned in the sense of "illegal to own", only "illegal to own without license". When guns are "banned" they're placed under Section 5 Firearms. It is still possible to apply to the Home Office for a Section 5 firearm license , but as with all firearms licenses certain measures must be met, and "sound justification" supplied. The problem is the usual reasons of target/clay pigeon shooting, pest control and deer stalking don't quite cut it for an AK/Glock/Deagle/whatever. As far as I know, only 1 Section 5 firearms license has been granted since 1997; for a .357 revolver for wounded animal dispatch.

Also, I agree with some of the earlier comments about US gun laws not working for the UK. If the UK introduced a right to keep and bear arms here, there would be chaos. The public don't see any need, nor have a desire to own guns. Guns are those evil, killing things that bad people use; they're not something sane people just keep around the house, and certainly wouldn't carry them... after all, they don't want to kill anyone do they?!

It might sound mad, and that's the point. The British have never had a right to defend themselves beyond the "do-the-best-you-can-when-the-time-comes-but-don't-use-too-much-force-or-you'll-be-sent-down" technique. We're certainly not allowed to prepare ourselves to fight... that would imply harming somebody else, and that's naughty.

In short, if we had the level of availability of guns here as you do; all the bad guys would have one, and everyone else would just stay at home, and campaign for them to be "banned" again so they can feel safe. Overall gun crime here is very rare, and it would only increase if guns where easier to get hold of.

I do consider myself "pro-gun" (although that's a bit pointless when there's no discussion, and no side to pick), however I can just see that things are best the way they are here... that's why I plan on moving :p If this is the best things are going to be, I don't want to stick around to see it's downfall.
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Old 06-20-2007, 14:22   #279
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Don't move just yet; the Democrats here are poised to try to push their HR1022 through which would plunge us back into the dark ages of the "assualt weapon ban" and then some.
(along with the "immigration capitulation bill- though that one has some so-called "conservatives" also backing it)
And if it you do emmigrate, do it illegally and avoid all the fuss of doing things right and paying taxes.
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And if it you do emmigrate, do it illegally and avoid all the fuss of doing things right and paying taxes.
Just fly to Mexico and walk on over. Don’t let them know you speak English or they’ll send you back home. No Habla America! Repeat as necessary.
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Short of marrying a gorgeous American lass within the 90 days we get under the Visa Waiver Program (or whatever it is), I can't live in the US legally; fuss or not. Apparently there's too many of us Brits there already to qualify for the diversity, free green card thingy-majig, and short of investing a million dollars in some new company, or being some sort of genetic scientist, or whatever else is in short supply at the moment I'm not welcome. Oh well; I have family in Canada... I'll see if they'll let me in
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Jerry's right. Just walk in from the south and reply "No Habla Englis" any time you're addressing the authorities.
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Old 06-20-2007, 20:26   #283
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bit of advice..

lots more fathers who'd rather have a citizen gun owning son in law than otherwise.

learn all the words to the star spangled banner, america the beautiful, AND dixie, just to be safe. eat your chicken suthron fried, tip your hat to the ladies, say yup a lot, and you can likely find that lass with a citizen ticket.

strongly recommend you pick CAREFULLY, considering.

and it'd be well not to talk about raising sheep much.
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Old 09-25-2007, 08:16   #284
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New news on Brit Gun Law effectiveness

(From the latest issues of VCDL newsletter)

18. British publication describes the real-world results of gun control

A member sent this:

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New Statesman is a very left wing British publication. In their
September 3 edition they have a cover story on guns that should be
required reading for those who advocate gun control in this country
and point to Great Britain as the model we should follow. The story
was in response to the shooting of 11 year old Rhys Jones in
Liverpool. I recommend the whole article to you but look at some of
these quotes.

"But on one matter, everyone appears to be in agreement. Guns are so
readily available in this country that certain parts of inner city
Britain have become de factor no-go areas for the the police." "In
all the coverage of the Rhys Jones murder, the prevalence of guns in
the city is taken for granted. Every reporter who has visited
Liverpool says certain areas have become so steeped in violence that
carrying guns is now a fact of life even for children." Regarding
how guns get in to the country, the article goes on to say, "they are
eminently transportable. They arrive in Britain in bits, not as
recognizable weapons." The article quotes one expert who says that
guns are meant to be taken to pieces and that it takes a very good
customs officer to say "that's a trigger mechanism."

A companion article in the same magazine asks "Why our children carry
guns." He quotes home office figures showing a six percent rise in
gun offences between 2004 and 2005 and says the trend has been upward
ever since. Many kids, concerned about rising knife crime in the
country, carry guns for self defense and seemingly have no problem
getting them. He says "Guns and knives are becoming part of growing
up for children in our country."

I want Sarah Brady, and all the other gun controllers to read this
magazine, as left wing as it is, and tell us how successful gun
control in Great Britain really is. Please Mayor Fenty, you base
part of your appeal for continuing the DC gun ban on Great Britain.
When children carrying guns is taken for granted then the mayor needs
to explain why he cites them as a great success. If this is
"SUCCESS" we shudder at what failure looks like. Justice Kennedy
likes to look abroad. Well READ THIS SIR!

Anyway, if you had not seen this, I thought you would enjoy the
articles. They are truly eye opening and basically consistent with
what we have been saying for so many years.

<http://www.newstatesman.com/200708300018>

Why our children carry guns

Rageh Omaar

Published 30 August 2007

Guns and knives are becoming a part of growing up for children in our country

Just after August Bank holiday, every parent's thoughts turn to the
new school year. Having to fork out another small fortune on clothes;
then the battle at the shop to convince the children that the naff
trainers (which just happen to be the cheapest) are the best ones . .
.

But this year, preparing for the new term feels different. It's not
because of the depressingly awful weather, which has made it more
difficult to keep the kids entertained. It's been a summer dominated
by stories of children affected by casual violence. Shootings, gang
warfare in districts throughout cities in the UK where rivals
pre-arrange battles for supremacy. And, of course, knife attacks.
Indeed, the latter are now so commonplace they barely get a mention.

Three years ago, I made a documentary about knife crime among
teenagers in the UK. It was meant to be a report about rising gun
crime. But as we researched the issue with A&E units throughout the
country, what soon emerged was a huge and largely unreported trend of
knife crime among teenagers. A considerable number of the young
people carrying, using and becoming victims of knives were not even
teenagers, but anything from age eight upwards. Many of those injured
or killed were attacked at school.

The day after my documentary was broadcast, knife crime came to my
neighbourhood. It became headline news in a way I could never have
imagined. A local schoolteacher was fatally stabbed on the doorstep
of his house in a street close to mine.

Three years ago, knife crime stood out as a bigger issue than guns.
Home Office's figures show there was a 6 per cent rise in gun
offences between 2004 and 2005 and it has been an upward trend ever
since. I feel now about gun crime and young people exactly as I felt
about knife crime in 2004; this is a rising trend not being given the
consistent attention and thought it deserves.

Many chief police officers say guns are more easily available for
less money each year. The fact is young people may not be buying them
with the intention of using them.

A huge number of young people carry knives because they feel they
have to as a deterrent. It's common for kids to be "jacked" (meaning
held-up with a knife) for their iPods or trainers or phones. And
don't just think that it happens in rough areas. It happens all the
time in comfortable middle-class areas. The children of two close
friends, nationally known newsreaders, have been "jacked" at a local
school popular with middle-class families.

Fear forces young people to carry a knife in the belief they will be
protected from attack. They think that if they carry knives and are
threatened, all they will have to do is show their knife for the
attacker to back off.

The reality is completely different. Carrying a knife only increases
the chances of being attacked. But it doesn't feel that way to a
teenager. Many I interviewed seemed to have been quite unrealistic
about carrying knives and guns, believing everything would turn out
as it does in films and music videos. Guns and knives were carried
for protection and respect, if you have to use one, well it's just a
jab in the thigh, it doesn't go very deep, it's not very serious.
Almost all stopped carrying knives when one of their friends was
killed or seriously wounded. They spoke of how naive they had been
about the injuries that a small blade could cause.

The same naivety is now at play with guns. They are carried or kept
for similar reasons and there is the same belief that using a gun
will be just as it appears on television or music videos;
cartoon-like violence where you can duck behind a car door during a
drive-by like Snoop Doggy Dogg or 50 Cent.

Guns and knives are becoming a part of growing up for children in our
country. They are already a reality for school heads and teachers.
And they are an issue for many parents, even well-off middle-class
parents.

Front pages this summer were dominated by stories of children
affected by violence. But, as a new school year starts, all of us -
parents, teachers, children and police - should not only ask why
things are getting worse but also when this will become a national
issue for long-term serious debate and political discussion.
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Old 11-09-2007, 15:09   #285
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Just 7 hours for Police to respond to 911 call in UK!

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...147466,00.html

Of course the victims could not defend themselves!

As Chief Constable Peter Davies puts it...

"I am quite clear that it is legitimate to question
whether the response was quick enough but I am not
concerned that we got it wrong."

Gun crime is not only out of control in the UK but the
Police is staring to run out of lies to cover up the
mess that their "no handgun" "no self-defense" laws have
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I couldn't believe a recent article that said police in England show up and sometimes wait hours before intervening in a crime. Must be the little funny hat.
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Old 05-04-2008, 03:23   #286
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What is really sad is that too many people in this country are so darn brain washed into thinking that gun control is the answer. They only need to look to the U.K. to see how it DOES NOT work. I can't see why after looking at the facts, that people will still remain on the side of the anti's! They are just too stupid for their own good!
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What is really sad is that too many people in this country are so darn brain washed into thinking that gun control is the answer. They only need to look to the U.K. to see how it DOES NOT work. I can't see why after looking at the facts, that people will still remain on the side of the anti's! They are just too stupid for their own good!
There is a difference between "knowledge" and "wisdom." (I don't want to turn this into a religious thread but,) Wisdom comes from God. You pray for it. The more this country turns away from God the less wisdom you will see.

Take it for what it's worth...



For starters:
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It is nearly ten years since I had to surrender my Glock 17 after the UK handgun ban; to this day I can still recall the serial number - AVB 820. Sad.
Hugh, do you know what happened to your GLOCK, was it melted down?

I have just returned from a GLOCK Instructor Workshop.
I found it to be a little disappointing as I was expecting reactive targets, lateral movement, and man on man stress exercises, , but it was fun to shoot the GLOCK 18!
Anyway, the instructor told us that a young kid was arreseted for pointing his finger and thumb (in the shape of a handgun) and saying "Bang"
Also the tiny GLOCK keyrings that we were given, were not allowed in schools, airports, or hospitals.
I am afraid that the "Brain Washing" of the general public is turning them against anything resembling guns. USA has lost most of it's rights already, and it will loose the rest.
I was watching a DVD from Frontsight the other night, and he states that we have been loosing our rights, because the NRA has been "Defending" them for years, and in a battle you will not gain ground "defending". We need to attack, and change people's views, that firearms can and should be carried safely once a person has sufficient training.
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Also the tiny GLOCK keyrings that we were given, were not allowed in schools, airports, or hospitals.
Canadian Customs just took my Glock keychain away from me last week (forgot it was in my pocket)... bastids...
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Canadian Customs just took my Glock keychain away from me last week (forgot it was in my pocket)... bastids...
thats total bull$hit!!! How did they see it and what was the reason it was taken? Im for Toronto its cocks like that which gives us a bad name.
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thats total bull$hit!!! How did they see it and what was the reason it was taken? Im for Toronto its cocks like that which gives us a bad name.
Canadian Customs has it's metal detectors turned way up. I beeped when going through and had to empty my pockets completely. I'd throw out items like my glasses etc and still beeped all the way down to this little keychain charm even though it only had about 7 links on it as the rest had broken off earlier. When they saw me throw it into the tray they immediately keyed on it and snatched it. I looked up the Canadian Customs policy later and it prohibits "replicas." This was hardly a replica which by their own definition (from http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/visitin_e.asp) states, "Replica firearms are devices that look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm..." as it was only an inch or so long. But then again you have to be knowledgeable enough to be able to read a dictionary to figure this complex stuff out.

Also, here (http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/english...age/list.shtml) it is allowed as a "Small objects shaped like guns or handcuffs (e.g., pendants, charms)" but not as a "Toy weapons (e.g., water guns, squirt guns) including toy transformer robots that form toy guns" ... go figure!

There is another place that says none of this stops an agent from declaring something prohibited even if it is on the "allowed" list. So it's a "no-win" any way you slice it.

Grrr on politically correct Dumass's that can't think for themselves about what constitute a "dangerous item" or not. I'm referring to the powers that be. The agents are merely doing the asinine bidding of the idiots in power.
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Canadian Customs has it's metal detectors turned way up. I beeped when going through and had to empty my pockets completely. I'd throw out items like my glasses etc and still beeped all the way down to this little keychain charm even though it only had about 7 links on it as the rest had broken off earlier. When they saw me throw it into the tray they immediately keyed on it and snatched it. I looked up the Canadian Customs policy later and it prohibits "replicas." This was hardly a replica which by their own definition (from http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets/visitin_e.asp) states, "Replica firearms are devices that look exactly or almost exactly like a real firearm..." as it was only an inch or so long. But then again you have to be knowledgeable enough to be able to read a dictionary to figure this complex stuff out.

Also, here (http://www.catsa-acsta.gc.ca/english...age/list.shtml) it is allowed as a "Small objects shaped like guns or handcuffs (e.g., pendants, charms)" but not as a "Toy weapons (e.g., water guns, squirt guns) including toy transformer robots that form toy guns" ... go figure!

There is another place that says none of this stops an agent from declaring something prohibited even if it is on the "allowed" list. So it's a "no-win" any way you slice it.

Grrr on politically correct Dumass's that can't think for themselves about what constitute a "dangerous item" or not. I'm referring to the powers that be. The agents are merely doing the asinine bidding of the idiots in power.

That crap bites my ass! I had written a reply just after my previous one dippicting how it is up here, unfortunatly it wouldnt submit and was erased?
Not to say anythingbut I take it this was at an airport correct?
Did you notice who was actualy doing the security????

I used to be an aircraft mechanic, right after 9/11 one of bin ladens cousins
(guys working secruity ) confiscated a nail clipper from a flight attendant. However they let one of their cousins onboard with a daggar pendant around his neck because of religion.
I dont know about you but I dont concider their "stuff" religion.
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That crap bites my ass! I had written a reply just after my previous one dippicting how it is up here, unfortunatly it wouldnt submit and was erased?
Not to say anythingbut I take it this was at an airport correct?
Did you notice who was actualy doing the security????

I used to be an aircraft mechanic, right after 9/11 one of bin ladens cousins
(guys working secruity ) confiscated a nail clipper from a flight attendant. However they let one of their cousins onboard with a daggar pendant around his neck because of religion.
I dont know about you but I dont concider their "stuff" religion.
Yep, Pearson International, YZZ. I was going through Canadian customs on my way to a connecting flight to St. John NB, which I missed.

islam is a very deadly cult. As I've posted and said many times, "there are only two kinds of muslims, those that are true to their book, and those that aren't, yet... "*

*If you want to know what that means read their book.
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those that are true to their book, and those that aren't, yet... "*
like obama
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I have read through most of this eleven page post, and my conclusion is that if you live it **** your whole life, **** looks beautifull. Not my intention to offend, but thats my take.

PS I enjoyed the highlander story. Dont offend those folks in kilts unless you want a fight on your hands. LOL
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I certainly agree, that if people do not pay attention to what their elected officials are doing our gun priveleges will slowly be taken away. Make no mistake about it. IT CAN HAPPEN HERE.
I don't look at it as a privelege, but rather a basic human right. I think we should be careful about using that word. We want people to know that we are unwavering in our resolve.
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...there are sheep and there are wolves. The brits let it happen to them. We're going the same direction, just slower...
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...there are sheep and there are wolves. The brits let it happen to them...
Seeing as legislation restricting firearms has already been passed in the United States (Federal Assault Weapons Ban), what makes you think Americans will be any different? Americans let it happen then, what would be different in the future? At what point does federal legislation spark an armed rebellion? At what point do you start pumping American troops and government officials full of (insert caliber of choice here) to protect the Second Amendment?

That's a tough line to cross, and there's no going back once you have taken that step.
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But most states do have "shall issue" concealed carry waivers here in the good US of A
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Hardly surprising considering most are illegal here.

My first post on here and I must say I am somewhat astonished with the ignorance some members of this forum view the laws of the UK. Many of you seem to try to compare the UK to what may or may not happen to gun laws in the US. In my honest opinion it's not really realistic to do this as the cultures are totally different.

I for one am not going to criticise your gun laws. You have the right to bear arms, and fair play to you, but please, oh please, don't criticise ours. They were introduced to protect the public, and for the most part are very effective. Contrary to what you might see on the news, gun crime here is very low.


Ahhhh, Eh Hem, ahhh... horse manure.

Check the statistics provided by your own ministry of justice. You anti-gun stance is costing lives. Since your gun bans went into effect, violent crime has steadily risen. As the U.S. has loosened gun laws, crime has steadily dropped. Google "gun facts 4.0" and read the statistics provided by the justice departments of the major industrialized countries.
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