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Old 01-07-2012, 09:22   #141
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So just got the rcbs expander die and I am very pleased all bullets seated very straight. I will soon be replacing my 45 auto and 40/10mm lee deluxe 4 die with rcbs. I loaded up 100 rounds of nosler sporting jhp over 12.5 bd anxious to see how they perform now that I know all the bullets are seated straight. Not looking forward to firing the 150 rounds I have left using the lee expander.
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Old 01-17-2012, 17:26   #142
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What are you guys setting as a max for 115s and blue dot me and the chargemaster made an oops and loaded them all with 12 instead of 10.
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Old 01-17-2012, 20:14   #143
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What is the most accurate load you guys use? I was pretty happy with 115 xtps over 12.5 bd. And again nor me glock talk or anyone else is responsible for this data. I was shooting a 4" 15 shot group at 25 yards using my red dot.
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What are you guys setting as a max for 115s and blue dot me and the chargemaster made an oops and loaded them all with 12 instead of 10.
Since you already loaded & shot the 115's with 12.5gr BD, you should be good to go. Unless that was a typo of course. I got up to 11.2gr with 115gr XTP's, 1750fps/ES 15, but there was room to grow. Gun-adian worked up to 13gr BD with 115gr Sierra's, so that's another reason you should be ok.
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Old 01-17-2012, 21:25   #144
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I loaded 12.2 grains Blue Dot with 121 grain 0.356" JHP @ 1550 fps from my S&W 1006 with the Bar-Sto 5" conversion.
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Old 01-17-2012, 22:15   #145
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15.5 Blue Dot under 95gr FMJ, CCI #350 = FLAMETHROWER!!!

12.2 Longshot under 88gr HP, CCI #350 = THUNDERBOMB!!

9X25 Dillon= FUN FUN FUN!!!

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Old 01-19-2012, 20:10   #146
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Yeah meathead it was a typo that was with 90 gr xtps sorry my bad.
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Old 01-19-2012, 20:10   #147
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And new chrono coming tomorrow I will post my findings when I get the chance.
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Old 02-15-2012, 21:48   #148
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Well I did contact Star Line about the producing brass marked 9x25 just to see how that would go...here is the answer I recieved!



Even trying to do a group buy would be tough to obtain 100 buyers getting 1000 pieces each...

$13,600.00 100K brass
+ $750.00 Tooling for head stamp
$14,300.00 Total cost

I'd do this Only if I win the Lottery!

~.14c each .. not much of a bulk discount off the going rate of ~.15c 1000s for 10mm :( Brass margins must be thinner than expected.
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Old 02-15-2012, 21:57   #149
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My current 9x25 load info .. use at your own risk, your mileage may. Not responsible if you blow yourself up with it, nor for that yappy dog next door who is living on borrowed time I tell ya.



Vit N110 15.9gr 115jhp STI frame/Barsto barrel + comp 1630 fps (ave 10 shots)
Glock 20, same reamer as above 1550 fps (ave 10 shots)

This was tuned to make old school USPSA Major in the STI .. The glock is just fun to shoot.
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Old 02-15-2012, 22:01   #150
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Yes it would be too much of an investment just to have properly labled brass! But if I were better off financially I'd consider it, just to supply us on the cartridge!

Like I said if I ever won the lottery, I'd do this!
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Old 02-15-2012, 22:11   #151
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Wyle.E.Kyote, that sounds like a great load, Thanks for sharing that info!
I shot some with H-110 14.4 grains which seemed to have more room but I'm working with a 5" Bar-Sto in my S&W1006 and velocity doesn't build as high. I started with some Blue Dot loadings early on because it was a little faster burn and had some success.

I did tear down some DT ammo and recorded the LongShot powder charges and bullet info and I have posted that data here on the forum. Those also performed well when I tested those loadings.

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Old 02-15-2012, 22:13   #152
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I remember back in the day (twists the knob back 15 years) I seem to recall that Someone had some 9x25 headstamped brass .. I want to say it wasVoigt but I'm going by memory addled with age, kids and alcohol.

I'd be in for helping finance it at some point .. Its a bit of a novelty item, but it is something thats always kind of bugged me a tiny bit .. Sort of legitimizes the round.
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Old 03-12-2012, 15:48   #153
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Load up 100 rounds of 9x25 last night. 90gr gold dot and 12.2gr long shot. My gole is to test all my recoil springs to see which one cycles and provides the most reliability. I'm running the gun with a comp so recoil is reduced a ton.
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Old 03-12-2012, 16:59   #154
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JT, That will be a great test...I know using the same 22 lb spring as the 10mm, the 9x25's with their short impulse has them basicly dropping out about 2 to 4 feet as opposed to the 10mil's going 6 to10 feet.

I checked the web site the other day thinking about you and loking to see if you had time to update.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:03   #155
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Powder

Well N110 is getting hard to get :( My distributor says they are no longer shipping the 8LB containers to the US :(( So i'm going to load up a bunch loads with powders having a similar burn rate play with loads again. Right now I've got a couple pounds of AA#9, H110 and H4227 and I'm waiting on some Lil'Gun. Going to be an interesting weekend.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:33   #156
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Well back from the testing and it was intersiting. The onley spring that would cycly was the 11lb spring with a brass guide rod. The brass allows the spring to slide easy. I had 100 rounds of the hot 90gr gold dots and about 50-60 rounds into it it stopped cycling. It would stove pipe every round. So I took my rag and tried to clean the chamber. It then cycled another 10 rounds perfectly. I think a dirty chamber was not allowing the brass to eject and that's with an 11lb spring. I guess my comp is working good. I'm going to get another 11lb spring and start clipping coils off it and try to get it to extract with a dirtyish chamber. My gun was also dry and not lubed so I cleaned and lubed it.
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Old 03-13-2012, 18:10   #157
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JT, The LongShot is very short duration with respect to pressures, using a slower burning powder could yield better comp operations and ejections...H-110 and 296 were what they used in competitions back then, but they were not seeing the velocities of LongShot.

Another thing to consider is the expanded case with respect to the ejection cycle, if it is still expanded tightly against the chamber at the start of the ejection cycle, you can see cases left in the chamber as the extractor can pull off of the rim.

Casing with many loadings get sort of rough, good cleaning of the brass and polishing can help with sticky extractions.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:17   #158
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I have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answers to by searching. Been shooting 10mm, 9x25, .40 and .357 Sig out of my G20SF and G29SF for a while now... and plan of getting into reloading.

My questions are (somewhat basic, but not real obvious to me):

Is the 9x25 Dillon a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific 9x25?
Is the .357 Sig a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific .357 Sig (I have read mixed answers on this)
Is the 9x25 Dillon case a modified 10mm case or is there a specific case? From what I have read, I think there is no 9x25 case, but a necked down 10mm case.
Is the .357 Sig case a modifed .40 case or does it have its own special case? From what I have read, I think a .40 case does not cut it (although some try). I think the Sig is its own special case.

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Old 03-17-2012, 11:26   #159
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I have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answers to by searching. Been shooting 10mm, 9x25, .40 and .357 Sig out of my G20SF and G29SF for a while now... and plan of getting into reloading.

My questions are (somewhat basic, but not real obvious to me):

Is the 9x25 Dillon a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific 9x25?
Is the .357 Sig a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific .357 Sig (I have read mixed answers on this)
Is the 9x25 Dillon case a modified 10mm case or is there a specific case? From what I have read, I think there is no 9x25 case, but a necked down 10mm case.
Is the .357 Sig case a modifed .40 case or does it have its own special case? From what I have read, I think a .40 case does not cut it (although some try). I think the Sig is its own special case.

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The 9x25Dillon and 357Sig can use the 0.355"/9mm/38Super bullets, I use the 0.355" & 0.356" mostly however there was some who used the 0.357" bullets for the 357 magnum, your chamber/bore/free bore could be too tight for these only measurements and testing will show.

There are bullets specific to the 357Sig, that will work well because their construction is such that they will work better for the velocity range and neck tension to avoid setback issues. Some of the 9mm bullets have the ogive that extends too low down the sides of the bullets, these should be avoided for setback issues.

The 9x25 Dillon case can be had from Double Tap Ammo with proper head stamps, I talked to Star Line to make some with proper head stamps and it was cost prohibitive with the setup fess and order lot.
The cases can be made properly from 10mm cases using the Dillon Dies. Attention to headspacing is critical when setting the sizing die. Headspaced flush to the barrel hood 0.00" or < 0.02" below seem to work great, any less and neck seperations or splitting can occur. There is not too much load data for the 9x25Dillons and GlockTalk probably has the most to study.

The 357Sig has specific casings and are easily obtainable. Trying to make them from 40S&W cases leaves them too short...there is plenty of loading data for the 357Sig.

I will say that the 357Sig and 9x25Dillon are not for the first time handloader. There are things that experience loaders will understand and look out for making these cartridges. Please read this entire section to get the best feel for the 9x25Dillons.

Best regards and good luck to you if you need help please ask! I'm sure we caould help!
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:35   #160
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Good stuff Shadow.

One additional note:The typical round nose 9mm ball type bullets are not appropriate for .357 Sig due to insufficient neck tension in the short Sig neck. There are flat nose bullets more suitable.

.355" bullets are typically suitable for .357 Sig.
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