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Old 02-15-2012, 21:11   #151
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Wyle.E.Kyote, that sounds like a great load, Thanks for sharing that info!
I shot some with H-110 14.4 grains which seemed to have more room but I'm working with a 5" Bar-Sto in my S&W1006 and velocity doesn't build as high. I started with some Blue Dot loadings early on because it was a little faster burn and had some success.

I did tear down some DT ammo and recorded the LongShot powder charges and bullet info and I have posted that data here on the forum. Those also performed well when I tested those loadings.

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Old 02-15-2012, 21:13   #152
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I remember back in the day (twists the knob back 15 years) I seem to recall that Someone had some 9x25 headstamped brass .. I want to say it wasVoigt but I'm going by memory addled with age, kids and alcohol.

I'd be in for helping finance it at some point .. Its a bit of a novelty item, but it is something thats always kind of bugged me a tiny bit .. Sort of legitimizes the round.
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Old 03-12-2012, 15:48   #153
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Load up 100 rounds of 9x25 last night. 90gr gold dot and 12.2gr long shot. My gole is to test all my recoil springs to see which one cycles and provides the most reliability. I'm running the gun with a comp so recoil is reduced a ton.
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Old 03-12-2012, 16:59   #154
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JT, That will be a great test...I know using the same 22 lb spring as the 10mm, the 9x25's with their short impulse has them basicly dropping out about 2 to 4 feet as opposed to the 10mil's going 6 to10 feet.

I checked the web site the other day thinking about you and loking to see if you had time to update.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:03   #155
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Powder

Well N110 is getting hard to get :( My distributor says they are no longer shipping the 8LB containers to the US :(( So i'm going to load up a bunch loads with powders having a similar burn rate play with loads again. Right now I've got a couple pounds of AA#9, H110 and H4227 and I'm waiting on some Lil'Gun. Going to be an interesting weekend.
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Old 03-13-2012, 09:33   #156
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Well back from the testing and it was intersiting. The onley spring that would cycly was the 11lb spring with a brass guide rod. The brass allows the spring to slide easy. I had 100 rounds of the hot 90gr gold dots and about 50-60 rounds into it it stopped cycling. It would stove pipe every round. So I took my rag and tried to clean the chamber. It then cycled another 10 rounds perfectly. I think a dirty chamber was not allowing the brass to eject and that's with an 11lb spring. I guess my comp is working good. I'm going to get another 11lb spring and start clipping coils off it and try to get it to extract with a dirtyish chamber. My gun was also dry and not lubed so I cleaned and lubed it.
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Old 03-13-2012, 18:10   #157
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JT, The LongShot is very short duration with respect to pressures, using a slower burning powder could yield better comp operations and ejections...H-110 and 296 were what they used in competitions back then, but they were not seeing the velocities of LongShot.

Another thing to consider is the expanded case with respect to the ejection cycle, if it is still expanded tightly against the chamber at the start of the ejection cycle, you can see cases left in the chamber as the extractor can pull off of the rim.

Casing with many loadings get sort of rough, good cleaning of the brass and polishing can help with sticky extractions.
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Old 03-17-2012, 09:17   #158
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I have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answers to by searching. Been shooting 10mm, 9x25, .40 and .357 Sig out of my G20SF and G29SF for a while now... and plan of getting into reloading.

My questions are (somewhat basic, but not real obvious to me):

Is the 9x25 Dillon a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific 9x25?
Is the .357 Sig a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific .357 Sig (I have read mixed answers on this)
Is the 9x25 Dillon case a modified 10mm case or is there a specific case? From what I have read, I think there is no 9x25 case, but a necked down 10mm case.
Is the .357 Sig case a modifed .40 case or does it have its own special case? From what I have read, I think a .40 case does not cut it (although some try). I think the Sig is its own special case.

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Old 03-17-2012, 11:26   #159
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I have a couple of questions that I can't seem to find the answers to by searching. Been shooting 10mm, 9x25, .40 and .357 Sig out of my G20SF and G29SF for a while now... and plan of getting into reloading.

My questions are (somewhat basic, but not real obvious to me):

Is the 9x25 Dillon a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific 9x25?
Is the .357 Sig a standard 9mm bullet or is it a specific .357 Sig (I have read mixed answers on this)
Is the 9x25 Dillon case a modified 10mm case or is there a specific case? From what I have read, I think there is no 9x25 case, but a necked down 10mm case.
Is the .357 Sig case a modifed .40 case or does it have its own special case? From what I have read, I think a .40 case does not cut it (although some try). I think the Sig is its own special case.

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The 9x25Dillon and 357Sig can use the 0.355"/9mm/38Super bullets, I use the 0.355" & 0.356" mostly however there was some who used the 0.357" bullets for the 357 magnum, your chamber/bore/free bore could be too tight for these only measurements and testing will show.

There are bullets specific to the 357Sig, that will work well because their construction is such that they will work better for the velocity range and neck tension to avoid setback issues. Some of the 9mm bullets have the ogive that extends too low down the sides of the bullets, these should be avoided for setback issues.

The 9x25 Dillon case can be had from Double Tap Ammo with proper head stamps, I talked to Star Line to make some with proper head stamps and it was cost prohibitive with the setup fess and order lot.
The cases can be made properly from 10mm cases using the Dillon Dies. Attention to headspacing is critical when setting the sizing die. Headspaced flush to the barrel hood 0.00" or < 0.02" below seem to work great, any less and neck seperations or splitting can occur. There is not too much load data for the 9x25Dillons and GlockTalk probably has the most to study.

The 357Sig has specific casings and are easily obtainable. Trying to make them from 40S&W cases leaves them too short...there is plenty of loading data for the 357Sig.

I will say that the 357Sig and 9x25Dillon are not for the first time handloader. There are things that experience loaders will understand and look out for making these cartridges. Please read this entire section to get the best feel for the 9x25Dillons.

Best regards and good luck to you if you need help please ask! I'm sure we caould help!
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:35   #160
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Good stuff Shadow.

One additional note:The typical round nose 9mm ball type bullets are not appropriate for .357 Sig due to insufficient neck tension in the short Sig neck. There are flat nose bullets more suitable.

.355" bullets are typically suitable for .357 Sig.
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Old 03-17-2012, 13:43   #161
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Tater, I went back and highlighted the section where I was eluding to what you are stating about the ball type bullets.

I have shot some of my cast bullets, but haven't tried to drive them very fast in the 9x25Dillon but have hit 1400 fps in both 357Sig and 9x25Dillon with the cast LEE 122 gr TC using the Red Zambini lube with little to no leading.
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Old 03-22-2012, 20:19   #162
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Making 9x25 ammo

Show and tell ...
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Old 03-22-2012, 20:39   #163
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Whoa. That is some productivity!
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Old 03-22-2012, 20:49   #164
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Whoa. That is some productivity!
About 100 rounds in 4ish minutes at that rate.. Usually I stop every primer fill and size check a bunch of them as the primers fill up on the primer loader.
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Old 03-22-2012, 21:05   #165
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Wyle.E.Kyote, Dat dare is too fancy for my slow pace cajun world...I still do'em one at a time. But thanks for showin' us how its done!
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Old 03-22-2012, 21:29   #166
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About 100 rounds in 4ish minutes at that rate..
Awesome setup...I can easily out perform that above rate on my 550B.
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Old 03-26-2012, 18:34   #167
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The 9x25Dillon and 357Sig can use the 0.355&quot;/9mm/38Super bullets, I use the 0.355&quot; & 0.356&quot; mostly however there was some who used the 0.357&quot; bullets for the 357 magnum, your chamber/bore/free bore could be too tight for these only measurements and testing will show.

There are bullets specific to the 357Sig, that will work well because their construction is such that they will work better for the velocity range and neck tension to avoid setback issues. Some of the 9mm bullets have the ogive that extends too low down the sides of the bullets, these should be avoided for setback issues.

The 9x25 Dillon case can be had from Double Tap Ammo with proper head stamps, I talked to Star Line to make some with proper head stamps and it was cost prohibitive with the setup fess and order lot.
The cases can be made properly from 10mm cases using the Dillon Dies. Attention to headspacing is critical when setting the sizing die. Headspaced flush to the barrel hood 0.00&quot; or < 0.02&quot; below seem to work great, any less and neck seperations or splitting can occur. There is not too much load data for the 9x25Dillons and GlockTalk probably has the most to study.

The 357Sig has specific casings and are easily obtainable. Trying to make them from 40S&W cases leaves them too short...there is plenty of loading data for the 357Sig.

I will say that the 357Sig and 9x25Dillon are not for the first time handloader. There are things that experience loaders will understand and look out for making these cartridges. Please read this entire section to get the best feel for the 9x25Dillons.

Best regards and good luck to you if you need help please ask! I'm sure we caould help!
Thank you for the info.
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:53   #168
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Well just got out the old barrel bag and dusted off the 9x25 just wanted to add its a lot more fun when your firearms cycles them properly. Finally got my head spacing adjusted, and added a 23lb recoil spring. The gun shoots like a champ and It is surprisingly accurate. Anybody have much luck with power pistol and 115. Just started shooting cast and I have 1k rn 115, and 8lb of pp ready to go. I like my loads warm but not ridiculous.


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Usmcfox, I tested the following...Post #47 in this section. I tested with Blue Dot for the cast bullets, but here is rhe Power Pistol with a 121 jacketed bullet.

Zero 121.0 gr JHP 0.356” 1.255”
Power Pistol 10.2 gr CCI 350
Velocity 1592-1620 fps
Primers flat, lot of firing pin smear
It was 100 gergees that day.

Be sure to check on the barrel to see if you get leading to see where you stand.

Good luck and let us know how it works out!
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9x25Dillon Underwood Ammo Heads Up

It seems Underwood is venturing into the 9x25 Dillon ammo, he has spots on the website for FMJ and Gold Dot...

http://www.underwoodammo.com/9x25mmdillon.aspx

This may get more people interested in this cartridge!
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Old 05-10-2012, 21:39   #171
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It seems Underwood is venturing into the 9x25 Dillon ammo, he has spots on the website for FMJ and Gold Dot...

http://www.underwoodammo.com/9x25mmdillon.aspx

This may get more people interested in this cartridge!
Thanks for the link Shadow. Looks and sounds like they make "real" good ammo.

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Old 06-05-2012, 02:22   #172
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I just picked up a barrel in 9x25 and was wondering what you guys crimped this round to? I read the entire thread and couldn't find a definative number. I loaded up some 115grain XTP test rounds ranging from 10.2gr to 11.0gr of longshot but have yet to crimp them as I couldn't find any crimp measurements. Can't wait to take it out to the range, sounds like a FUN round.

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Fred1980, to the forum!
What dies are you using to crimp with? Dillon 9x25? LEE 357Sig? Other?

I use the Dillion 9x25 die set for size, seat and crimp. I set my taper crimp die to squeeze down till I see a shine develop on the case mouth. But I also test that bullets do not move in or out, neck tension is crucial to prevent bullet setback.

I use a LEE FCD with the guts removed as a "Pass Thru Die" to recondition all semiauto brass, this includes the 9x25's. I also use either my RCBS 9mm neck expander or LEE 357Sig neck expander to true the neck for uniformity. These do a great job with out over expanding so the neck tension is retained.

If you look thru the data you'll see where I pulled down some Double Tap rounds and listed the powder charges with LongShot.

Best regards, be sure to list you findings here as well!
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I just got my dillon all set up to pump out 9x25 dillon ammo. Set up to load 90gr gold dots with longshot.
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What dies are you using to crimp with? Dillon 9x25? LEE 357Sig? Other?

I use the Dillion 9x25 die set for size, seat and crimp. I set my taper crimp die to squeeze down till I see a shine develop on the case mouth. But I also test that bullets do not move in or out, neck tension is crucial to prevent bullet setback.

I use a LEE FCD with the guts removed as a "Pass Thru Die" to recondition all semiauto brass, this includes the 9x25's. I also use either my RCBS 9mm neck expander or LEE 357Sig neck expander to true the neck for uniformity. These do a great job with out over expanding so the neck tension is retained.

If you look thru the data you'll see where I pulled down some Double Tap rounds and listed the powder charges with LongShot.

Best regards, be sure to list you findings here as well!
Thanks Shadow, got your response and suggestions on the other forum. I was looking to just pick up a LEE 357 sig expander die for when I start cranking out this caliber in my progressive and can't find anywhere that sells just the Lee 357 sig expander die. That got me to thinking so I took apart my Lee 40s&w/10MM expander die and my lee 9mm expander die and the 9MM expander plug slips right into the 10mm expander die . Seems to work good to, I haven't used it yet in the progressive as I'm still in the load development stage for my gun but it seems like that is what Lee did to make their 357 sig expander. Has anyone used this setup before?

Thanks,
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EDIT: Are there any other Lee Charging/expanding dies that could work for the 9x25 dillon? Maybe Lee 38 Super or the 357 Mag expander? I would prefer not to have to take apart both my 10mm & 9MM dies when wanting to load the 9x25 and just have a die specifically for the caliber.

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