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Old 04-10-2005, 17:37   #26
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Spounge,

in the next few weeks i will be able to put up some more 9x25 reloads. I have just had my barrel reamed after final fitting to solve a few chambering issues. It is back in the country and should be back in my gun this week.

The few hundred reloads i have done with a dillon 550 and dillon 9x25 dies have been fine. i did have some early problems with getting enough bell on the case but a change in powder thrower fixed it straight away.

compared to my 38-45 the 9x25 seems easy to setup and reload.
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Old 07-16-2005, 17:27   #27
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anybody got some data that will give some nice muzzle flash using 124gr bullets?
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Old 07-17-2005, 22:22   #28
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95 grain bullets and just about any powder produce significant muzzle flash!
I have no experience w/124

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Old 01-31-2006, 11:12   #29
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What about Blue Dot? It's my favorite .357 magnum powder and I don't like to stock new powder types if one I already use will work..!

Great info on this thread, guys. I'm going to get into this chambering in a M21/10MM longslide, and a M29 CCW combo caliber weapon. This looks like a perfect self defense caliber
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Old 09-11-2006, 13:44   #30
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Forgive me if this has been covered, I can't find this in a search.
If I understand correctly, the long loaded 357SIG has a standard case length and the bullet is seated out for a longer OAL, and the 9X25 Dillon essentially a 10MM necked down to take a 9MM bullet. Is the case shoulder and neck of the 9X25 the same as the SIG's? I had the idea of reaming a 357SIG chamber .120" deeper to make it the same OAL as a 10MM and shooting it from my G20L. Is there anywhere that has dimentional drawings of the 9X25?
Thanks for any help, Bullit Bill
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Old 11-08-2006, 14:59   #31
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357 sig has a straight taper, with angular transitions along the neck. Similar to 30-06, or most rifle cartridges.
The 9X25 has radiused corners along the shoulder. Similar to the weatherby magnums.

If you purchase a 357 Sig reamer, and ream your barrel, you will have a true wildcat! It will be very similar, if not better than the 9X25 in performance, but dies will be much cheaper! You would just need to experiment with your headspace when you form and reload your brass. To get it right, you won't be able to crank your 357 Sig dies all the way down...

What are you going to call it, the 357-10? 357 9X10? Sig mag? It would certainly keep up with any 357 Mag revolver using the same length barrel and bullets less than 160 grains...

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Old 11-20-2006, 10:04   #32
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Spongeman, thanks for the info, I was going to call it the 357SIG magnum.
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Old 04-06-2007, 22:59   #33
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Songeman66,
Thank you much for all the load data! There is more data listed here than hours of searching on the Internet. Good job!
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Has anybody tried Blue Dot for the 9X25Dillon? If yes what loads were tested, please post some data!
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Old 08-18-2008, 16:47   #35
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I've been working up a 9X25mm load with Powder Pistol. I'm shooting a G20 with a Lone Wolf 4.6" barrel. I'm currently up to 11.7 grains of Power Pistol set off by a CCI350 primer, pushing a 100 grain Hornady RN FMJ. OAL = 1.280"

The load averages (N=16) 1774 fps with a stdev of 18.66, min of 1753 max of 1811. Each fired case head measures .4205" without exception.

There is probably room for another grain or so of powder in the case. I'm going to go up a bit more but not by much as the brass isn't cheap. Hopefully I can get averages into the 1,800's safely.

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tooouter, Thanks for posting the power pistol load and data! Seeing that you got those numbers with the 4.6" barrel will help me work with my S&W 1006 5" to see what differences might be. I notice my first shoots are the fastest till the oil from cleaning is gone.

I'll be shooting the 9X25 Dillon from my S&W 1006 with a Bar-Sto conversion match grade barrel I purchased from Mike McNett of Double Tap, I hand fitted it to the pistol but had to send it out to a gunsmith to have the chamber finish reamed to proper depth.

I have tested the S&W 1006 with the Bar-Sto 9X25 barrel, with DT 90/115/125 gr. GD 9X25 ammo and the pistol worked flawlessly. Velocities were not as high as advertised due to the 5" barrel I suppose.

I am going to work up some loads with Blue Dot too when I get my dies ordered and shipped in.

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tooouter, Thanks for posting the power pistol load and data! Seeing that you got those numbers with the 4.6" barrel will help me work with my S&W 1006 5" to see what differences might be. I notice my first shoots are the fastest till the oil from cleaning is gone.

I'll be shooting the 9X25 Dillon from my S&W 1006 with a Bar-Sto conversion match grade barrel I purchased from Mike McNett of Double Tap, I hand fitted it to the pistol but had to send it out to a gunsmith to have the chamber finish reamed to proper depth.

I have tested the S&W 1006 with the Bar-Sto 9X25 barrel, with DT 90/115/125 gr. GD 9X25 ammo and the pistol worked flawlessly. Velocities were not as high as advertised due to the 5" barrel I suppose.

I am going to work up some loads with Blue Dot too when I get my dies ordered and shipped in.

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You're very welcome! A S&W 1006 in 9X25 is an awesome rig! I can't wait to hear how your loads do, please do post 'em when you got the data. I love the 10mm, .357 Sig and now I'm sold on the 9X25.

Now that I've got the 9X25 bug, I'm tore between my next purchase of a 1006 or a Dan Wesson 10mm 1911 converted to 9x25.

I'm very pleased with Power Pistol, I'm thinking 1850 averages are safely attainable out of the G20. I only paid $88 for the barrel, so I'm into 9X25 on the cheap. For the money, I can't believe how well the Lone Wolf barrel is, it locks up tighter than stock and the chamber is very noticeably tighter while I haven't had a single malfunction with a few hundred rounds through it.

I did make some additions to the G20 that I really didn't need to, I bought a Wolf stainless guide rod and a "calibration pack" of recoil springs. I've only ran the stock weight 17 lb spring & haven't had any issues. I also added adjustable night sights but haven't noticed a big enough difference in POI between the 180 grn 10mm rounds and 95 & 100 grn 9X25 rounds to warrant the need for adjustables.

Power Pistol burns incredibly clean in this application & with my barrel length, I've yet to find anybody getting the velocities I'm seeing. I'm curious how Blue Dot compares in terms of velocity and cleanliness, please let me know so we can compare notes.

Are you getting the Dillon dies? I'm using Doubletap brass with a Hornady .357 Sig size die, then running it through an additional Hornady 10mm size die to size the last (or first) 3.6mm of the case. I don't run the .357 Sig die down far enough to entirely re-profile the neck down radius in order to not mess with head spacing. So far it's working perfectly. Since I already reload .357 Sig and 10mm I didn't have to buy any additional dies and won't as long as the brass keeps holding up.

Let me know how your experiment goes.
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tooouter, here is a tidbit for you, Don't purchase a S&W 10XX thinking about getting extra barrels. The Bar-Sto 9X25 Dillon barrel was made early on via special order by Mike McNett for the S&W1006. Bar-Sto is NOT producing any barrels for the S&W10xx pistols and neither is any other manufacture, that's a damn shame.

I have considered the 9X25 Lone Wolf barrel for my Glock 29 in the near future. I would like it longer than stock without the ports, Their longer barrel has ports maybe I could get one without.

Yes I will pop for the Dillon dies ($125+ S/H) as they are dimensioned correctly for the shoulder and have two carbide sizing rings from what I was told, one for the 9mm neck the other for the 10mm base.

You may be better off with a FUSION Arms 10mm with a conversion barrel possibly.

Yes recent testing of Power Pistol in my Glock 29 has shown better velocities with the 200XTP than with Blue Dot loads. IMR 800X and AA#9 are some powders I wish to obtain.

Here are some scans of the "Lyman 2nd edition Pistol & Revolver Reloading Handbook" 9X25 Dillon cartridge info, be sure to note that the test barrels were 8" for this data and there is no SAAMI Pressure set for this cartridge

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http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/m...n/scan0005.jpg

Good to see others interested in the caliber still.
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I just got my Dillon dies for the 9X25, these dies will size the 10mm casing and reduce the neck down to 9mm in one sizing/depriming pass.

This comes as a 3 die set; The Case Sizer/Forming/Depriming Die, a Seating Die and a Crimp Die.

The seating die has a rounded nose and a flat nose bullet seater which you pull the pin and turn it over, re pin it and its set for the other.

The Crimp die is just that to finish the crimp process.

There is "NO" expander included with the dies, this may be part of a special powder through the expander die set up with the powder hopper. I'm not using this at this time because I am working on a single stage RCBS press for now. I dug out my 9mm RCBS die set and I am using the expander die in that set to expand the case mouths to accept the bullets (jacketed and cast), this has provided a very true straight neck with proper tension.

After I expanded the case mouths the seating process was good to go! My first attempt without expansion resulted in the cast bullet grabbing the case mouth and buckling...I new better, but I was studying how the Dillon Dies would perform. That why I grabbed the 9mm expander die.

One other thing I will do is to get the RCBS type die locking rings to lock them on the die so the setting doesn't change while using and removing them in the single stage presses. This is not a problem in the Dillon press as the dies stay in the tool head, and the nut will secure it.

After I assembled them they dropped into the barrel and head spaced properly.

Anyway here are the first few loaded with LEE 122gr Cast TC .356" over 11.0 grains of Blue Dot. This load in the 357Sig with a 125GD does 1416 fps.
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Now I have to get to the range for some actual results.


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Old 12-07-2008, 01:11   #40
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I just started loading this cartridge and what a blast it is. Just shot my first 100

win brass 124 precision "black bullets" 14 gr h110.

lone wolf glock 20.

I can see that the shoulder moved forward thus needing precise adj of the

forming die to to fit the barrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPQbl9ao7TE

Yea this cartridge is on fire

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Went to the range finally and was a little disappointed. These are the results of the loads fired from the S&W 1006 with the Bar-Sto 5" 9X25 Dillon conversion.

I too might need to do some die adjusting as it appeared the shoulder moved forward some.

Shot over a CHRONY 8' to the first screen.

9X25 Dillon April 1, 2009
15’ above sea level, 70
ZERO 121 gr 0.0356” JHP
H-110 14.2 grains
Winchester LP primer

Shot # velocity
1 1157 fps
2 1169 fps…High
3 1135 fps…Low
4 1146 fps
Adv…1152 fps
ES…33.24
SD…14.59
A little disappointed with this loading, needs more development.
Blue Dot will be my next work up.



9X25 Dillon April 1, 2009
15’ above sea level, 70
LEE 122 grain Cast TC
Blue Dot 11.0grains
Winchester LP primer

Shot # velocity
1 1314 fps
2 1334 fps
3 1367 fps…High
4 1308 fps…Low
5 1323 fps
6 1352 fps
7 1347 fps
8 1350 fps
9 1355 fps
Adv…1339 fps
ES…58.69
SD…20.17
This load was starting load for 357 Sig 125gr for 1416 fps, I think there is room for improvement.
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Old 04-30-2009, 16:21   #42
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I just got a lee 2-cavity bullet mold (124gr tc tumble lube)and casted some.i put them on my rcbs scale and they ranged from 129gr to 131gr.so i should use 10.5 of aa#9 for a start load?.lee molds seem to be a little on the heavy side
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According to the Lyman data with the 130 gr cast bullet shows start at 10.5 gr starting load and 12.0 as the max of AA9. BTW do you have the Lyman data?

I need to get to the range to test again, now that I have the cases sized correctly.
I'll be testing Power Pistol, Blue Dot, H-110 and AA9.

Please post your report on how yours did. Good luck to you!
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yes,i have the lyman data.i am waiting for my barrel to come.will the bullet weights make alot difference in accuracy?
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Remember the Lyman Data was based on 8" test barrels, I only have a 5" barrel. I have asked JR of Lone Wolf about getting the longer barrel for my G-29 without the ports cut into the barrel, but he said the ports are cut early on in the machineing process. I rather not hae the ports jetting the flash and unburned powders into my line of site.

The bullet's diameter will be the thing which will affect accuracy the most. 0.356" will be better than 0.355", some people like 0.357" to fill the bore...Cast bullets shoot better and lead less usually at 0.002" over the bore diameter. Therefore measuring the bore is important, slugging the barrel is the only way to know for sure.

I found the lighter bullets(90-95 grain) didn't shoot as straight, the 115 grain & up worked better.

Be aware of the sizing of the die, you can't just run it down to the shellholder, you need to adjust so it only sizes the brass down enough to fit the chamber correctly. I originally over sized the brass(used 10mm) with the Dillon sizing die. The new brass from Double Tap is sized correctly to start. You can use the barrel for the cartridge gage.

Good luck!
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has anybody used longshot yet?
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Well I went and tested June 27th, it was extremely hot, had to constanly towel off.
There was no data for Blue Dot or Power Pistol for the 9x25Dillon, but I worked these up from 357Sig loads.
But here are the results...

9X25 Dillon June 27, 2009 test
S&W 1006 with Bar-Sto barrel w/22# Wolff Recoil Spring
Temps 99 HOT!

Lyman 130.0 gr Soft Cast Devastator HP 0.356 1.255
Blue Dot 11.2 gr Winchester LP
Velocity 1342-1367 fps
Primers flatten some, little smear, leading light

Lyman 128.0 gr Soft Cast Devastator HP 0.356 1.255
Blue Dot 11.2 gr Winchester LP
Velocity 1343-1373 fps
Primers flat some, little smear, leading light

Zero 121.0 gr JHP 0.356 1.255
H-110 14.4 gr CCI 350
Velocity 1280-1335 fps
Primers flat some, little smear

Zero 121.0 gr JHP 0.356 1.255
Blue Dot 12.2 gr CCI 350
Velocity 1405-1438 fps
Primers flat some, lot of smear

Zero 121.0 gr JHP 0.356 1.255
Power Pistol 10.2 gr CCI 350
Velocity 1592-1620 fps
Primers flat, lot of smear

LEE 122.0 gr Hard Cast TC 0.356 1.255
Blue Dot 11.0 gr Winchester LP
Velocity 1340-1525 fps
Primers flat some, little smear, leading very light


For some reason the area around the firing pin strike was being wiped against the breech face, in one of the incident enough primer metal sheared to obstruct the firing pin. This caused one round not to fire, I dropped the magazine out, cleared the chamber, inserted an empty magazine so I could dry fire the pistol pointing downward, this cleared the obstructed fiing pin hole. All other rounds fired without incident.

Readings taken with CHRONY Master F1 @ 8' from first screen.

I have been looking into the Primer Smear situation a little more, it is only the middle area which flatten and is being rubbed hard against the breech face on ejection, the outer area of the primers are still rounded and the cases are not swollen or disfigured. However the firing pin dent is being flattened and smeared with some. These were well used 10mm cases sized to 9x25Dillon and head spaced to be tight to the breech face less than 0.002" free play.

This maybe a result of head spacing and timing, using the 9x25 Dillon barrel in the S&W 1006 pistol. I am using this setup with the Wolff #22 recoil spring and ejection is only 3' or 4' with these loads I have tested. This is less than that of the 10mm loads and 40s&w load case ejections with the same set up.

I suppose because of the necked down case the huge volume of gas, ejection timing is off. The recoil is not bad with the loads, the ejection timing is something I considered. Remember I did the barrel fitting to the slide and frame but the fit looks & feels right. Function was good with Double Tap Ammo at even higher velocities with out any primer wipe. I don't know what powder he uses for the factory loadings(probably only avalible to commercial loaders), but it is very silvery looking(almost chrome color) and looks to be a dense flattened ball grannuel about the diameter of Blue Dot flakes. This leads me to think temps being too HOT and the magnum primer use. The S&W 1006 stock spring is 18lb, I run the 22 lb spring for the higher impulse 10mm loadings and it functions well even with the 40S&W loadings.

I will test the loads with the 20lb and 24lb springs to see if there is a difference in the cycles. Also will test various primer/powder combinations to see if things change for better or worse. This is what makes handloading fun, I don't have to have the fastest bullets, but I want good reliability, function & accuracy. This is why I play this game of handloading.

I may drop a line on Mike McNett at DT just to see if he can shed any light on my situation.
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:07   #48
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Ive just started playing with the 180 XTP .357 bullet

And 1200+ is easy with my g-20 length barrel.

The brass looks fine this load really is cool.

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Mike I'd like to hear about the load data for this combination, if you don't wish to post it here please PM me with the info.

Thanks, The Shadow
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Hey Everyone.....

First post, so here goes.

Picked up my almost new G-20C and immediately replaced the factory barrel with a Lone Wolf stock length barrel. As an afterthought, I also ordered a 6 inch 9x25 Dillon. WOW!!! Great toy!!!

I've only put a couple recipes of 9x25 through it using W296 and Blue Dot with a variety of bullet weights.

This is what I've got so far:

Speer 115 gr. Gold Dot HP.
CCI #300 primers
5 shot strings

11.5 Gr. Blue Dot
Velocity:
1) 1527 fps
2) 1502 fps
3) 1555 fps
4) 1486 fps
5) error

12 Gr. Blue Dot
Velocity:
1) 1581 fps
2) 1592 fps
3) error
4) error
5) 1550 fps

Happy with these results for the most part. Time for a new battery in the Chrony.....
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Hornady 147 gr. JHP-XTP.
CCI #300 primers
5 shot strings

8.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity:
1) 1197 fps
2) 1124 fps
3) 1178 fps
4) 1201 fps
5) 1192 fps

9 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity:
1) 1304 fps
2) 1270 fps
3) 1267 fps
4) 1297 fps
5) 1299 fps

These are just over the max load for .357 SIG. I used that as a start point.
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Bulk 147 gr. cast lead flat point
CCI #300 primers
5 shot string

9 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity:
1) 1252 fps
2) 1254 fps
3) 1229 fps
4) 1186 fps
5) 1236 fps

I figured these would be faster than the JHP's of the same weight. Shows you what I know. No leading though!!!
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Random bulk 124 gr. FMJ
CCI #300 primers
5 shot strings

14.5 gr. Winchester 296
Velocity:
1) 1359 fps
2) 1226 fps
3) 1274 fps
4) 1288 fps
5) 1247 fps

15 gr. Winchester 296
Velocity:
1) 1365 fps
2) 1461 fps
3) 1385 fps
4) error
5) 1451 fps

Not too impressed with these. The first string was all over the velocity map. The second string tightened up a bit. Maybe a slightly heavier charge and/or a magnum primer next time???? (stupid battery!!!!!)
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All the loads functioned perfectly. No ftf's or fte's. No mashed primers.

Judging by what I've seen here and found elsewhere on the 'net, I think I have some wiggle room with some of these loads.

Any helpful advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.

I got some 90 gr. JHP's kicking around. I really what to try these out!!!!
Lighting one of these off would be an experience. Any ideas for a start load???

Thanks Everyone.

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