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Old 05-29-2014, 11:09   #61
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The point is, that the stock sights are more precise than what you replaced them with. You are then concerned when your shooting is not precise.

So, I'm betting your new sights are at least part of the problem.
Well the good news is they make a Sevigny rear sight with a more narrow .130" notch. I'm game for seeing if it makes a difference at 25 yards, so I have one on order and will test my accuracy with that as well.
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Old 05-29-2014, 13:38   #62
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Ahhhh......gun golfing.

I remember when IDPA first started. It's sole intention was to be "run what you carry, the way you carried it", and the scenarios were meant to simulate defensive shooting. If you carried a snubby with speed-strips, that's what you brought and ran. If it was a 1911 with 3 extra mags, that's what you ran. If you carried a G19, that's what you brought and ran.

Now, it's gun golfists seeing who can spend the most money on their "rig".

So OP. You removed the more precise factory sights, and now you're wondering why it wont group at a distance those specific sights were never intended to be used at, in a manner those specific sights were never intended to be used at.

Well, you have found at least part of the problem.

Funny stuff. You should get out more.

Raven, the .150 notch will work fine at 25 yards. You just need to pay attention to the light bars.
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Old 05-29-2014, 14:22   #63
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I have one 34 with the .150 notch and a .125 front. I also have one 34 with the .150 notch and .115 front. They're both shooting fine for USPSA.
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Old 05-29-2014, 18:27   #64
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There is nothing more precise than a plastic sight with molding marks on it that is not even flat across the top on most guns.
I have nothing against the Gkock plastic sights and I think they are a bit of economic genius, but that is very funny.
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Old 05-30-2014, 06:50   #65
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I was very disappointed in my G34 GEN4 to begin with.A17,19, or a 26 would group a great deal better.
Out of curiosity ,I changed the connector (around 3.5 lbs I believe) to a Glock Gen4 "dot" connector(around 5 lbs) the same connector in the 17,19,and 26 gen4's.
For me having the same trigger pull was better than a lighter trigger pull on this G34.
I love it now ,so glad I didn't trade this one.
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Old 05-30-2014, 19:43   #66
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Testing Part 3:

Went to the range today to test out the 6 o'clock hold and this Pistolero rest by Caldwell. All shots were taken using this:

General Glocking


Shot the stock barrel first with the & AAA 147gr ammo at 25 yards on a 12" target (red part is 6"). Still all over the place:

General Glocking




Circled my hits and put the KKM barrel in. I knew the KKM was hitting high before, so I used a 6 o'clock hold for the next 5 shots.

For the people saying "its the Indian, not the arrow" etc. One flyer, but pretty good group at 25 yards if you ask me:

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More KKM with a 6 o'clock hold (6" target):

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The stock barrel was hitting low with a 6 o'clock hold (as you can see above) and not grouping well.

I still plan on having someone else shoot my G34 at 25 yards to take myself out of the equation. I also plan on replacing parts to rule them out: slide lock, slide lock spring, locking block etc.
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Old 06-05-2014, 19:21   #67
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LOL!!!

These are quality pistols. No after-market barrel is going to make any real increase in mechanical accuracy. If anything, as the OP has clearly demonstrated, they will be LESS ACCURATE with an after-market barrel. And the lock-up doesn't matter one bit.

So.

Return you pistole to stock, and continue shooting it. Stop wasting your time and money on after-market crapola, other than quality trigger parts, which a G34 shouldn't need.

Oh, and Glocks aren't target pistols, even the G34. They're service pistols, meant to be reliable and accurate as the shooter can be with them.
Not true at all. A hand fitted custom barrel will consistently out shoot a factory barrel by a wide margin. In this case I think it is the Indian and not the arrow. A G34 should be able to hold a 4 inch group at 25 yards.
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Old 06-05-2014, 20:47   #68
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I bet the OP is sorry he asked... As I have been before.

The tone of some of the comments is demeaning. The guy was asking for help not criticism and judgment. Why not be helpful or don't post at all? Who hasn't done some of the same things before?
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Old 06-05-2014, 20:55   #69
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Not true at all. A hand fitted custom barrel will consistently out shoot a factory barrel by a wide margin. In this case I think it is the Indian and not the arrow. A G34 should be able to hold a 4 inch group at 25 yards.

Any Gen 4 Glock should be able to hold a sub 4" group at 25 yards.
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Old 06-06-2014, 07:03   #70
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There is nothing more precise than a plastic sight with molding marks on it that is not even flat across the top on most guns.
Hahaha...

I guess he's never changed a set of them. Funny how much less resistance there is pushing out those precision plastic sights before sliding in the Warrens.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:44   #71
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Any Gen 4 Glock should be able to hold a sub 4" group at 25 yards.
I agree. I'm doing some more testing tonight with the .130" rear sight installed and replacing parts to rule them out: slide lock, slide lock spring, locking block etc.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:46   #72
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I bet the OP is sorry he asked... As I have been before.

The tone of some of the comments is demeaning. The guy was asking for help not criticism and judgment. Why not be helpful or don't post at all? Who hasn't done some of the same things before?
Thank you for reminding people of this.
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Old 06-06-2014, 08:51   #73
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I bet the OP is sorry he asked... As I have been before.

The tone of some of the comments is demeaning. The guy was asking for help not criticism and judgment. Why not be helpful or don't post at all? Who hasn't done some of the same things before?


I come here to either learn or help when I can. Good point.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:38   #74
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I get better results with the KKM barrels in .40

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Old 06-06-2014, 16:00   #75
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Some of you guys need to learn the difference between precise and accurate
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Old 06-06-2014, 16:45   #76
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Some of you guys need to learn the difference between precise and accurate

All he wants is for his pistol to group well Pineapple.
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Old 06-06-2014, 21:10   #77
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Some people need to learn the difference in valuable info and pedantic blabber.
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:30   #78
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Some people need to learn the difference in valuable info and pedantic blabber.
Should that not be pedantic babble rather than pedantic blabber?

But maybe not...

But it could... I think it should.

Get it? Get it?
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:33   #79
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Should that not be pedantic babble rather than pedantic blabber?

But maybe not...

But it could... I think it should.

Get it? Get it?
You are both funny AND correct.
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Old 06-07-2014, 13:55   #80
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I think I found the problem...

Went back to the range today and tested again with the AAA 147gr and new .130" rear sight:

Stock barrel, still random:

General Glocking

More Stock barrel, still random:

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Switched out the Locking Block and Slide Lock:

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I noticed that when I installed the new Locking Block, the pins were much tighter going in.

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