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Old 03-11-2014, 20:09   #81
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Isn't it funny that 357 and 40 guys never have to try and argue that their bullets have as much capability as a 9mm?
The .357 crowd is out there beating their drums trying to convince themselves that the BS is the equivalence of the real .357 all the time.


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Old 03-11-2014, 20:37   #82
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All handgun calibers are short and weak.
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Old 03-11-2014, 20:57   #83
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The .357 crowd is out there beating their drums trying to convince themselves that the BS is the equivalence of the real .357 all the time...




Uh, it is with the 125 gr. bullet (which the .357 SIG was made to emulate) from the same barrel length.
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Old 03-12-2014, 00:47   #84
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Uh, it is with the 125 gr. bullet (which the .357 SIG was made to emulate) from the same barrel length.
If you get the dumbed down Magnum load.


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Old 03-12-2014, 00:48   #85
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All handgun calibers are short and weak.
Really? The .460 magnum and .500 magnum say otherwise.


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Old 03-12-2014, 01:00   #86
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Uh, it is with the 125 gr. bullet (which the .357 SIG was made to emulate) from the same barrel length.
With a reduced power 125gr 357mag load, sure. It really doesn't hold a candle to the hot stuff.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:03   #87
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All handgun calibers are short and weak.
Well, considering the 500mag has the energy of a 30-06 from a barrel a third of the length and fires a round over twice the weight and nearly twice the diameter, I'd say you need to learn a thing or two.

Don't you think?
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Old 03-12-2014, 03:33   #88
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With a reduced power 125gr 357mag load, sure. It really doesn't hold a candle to the hot stuff.



Remember that in '94 when the .357 SIG was designed there was no Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, etc. Regardless, I have shot .357 Mag. since the 70's and my old Fed. 125 gr. JHP as well as Win. & Rem. chronographed at about 1,350 - 1,375 fps from a 4" barrel. The .357 SIG does the same. The Fed 125 gr. JHP load was considered the ne plus ultra of factory defense loads in that cal.


The .357 SIG does exactly what it was initially designed to do in '94: duplicate the .357 125 gr. Magnum from a 4" barrel. It still does 20 yrs. later. As well, LE does not use "boutique ammo".

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Old 03-12-2014, 04:02   #89
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40 s&w

I grew up shooting 357 and 44 mags. I enjoy shooting my SP101 with fullpower 357 loads.
Complaining about 40 S&W recoil, stick to rimfires.

I also question that the 45 is more powerful than the 40, sometimes yes sometimes no.

My 23 performs closer to my 20 than most people think is possible.
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Remember that in '94 when the .357 SIG was designed there was no Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, etc. Regardless, I have shot .357 Mag. since the 70's and my old Fed. 125 gr. JHP as well as Win. & Rem. chronographed at about 1,350 - 1,375 fps from a 4" barrel. The .357 SIG does the same. The Fed 125 gr. JHP load was considered the ne plus ultra of factory defense loads in that cal.


The .357 SIG does exactly what it was initially designed to do in '94: duplicate the .357 125 gr. Magnum from a 4" barrel. It still does 20 yrs. later. As well, LE does not use "boutique ammo".
True, but those hotter loads are basically what the 357mag is intended for. Its not like to loaded to exceed standard pressure. The wide stream factory loads are reduced.
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Old 03-13-2014, 15:38   #91
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I am a big fan of the 40cal. I have and often carry my G23 G27 M&P Shield and M&P40c. I think its a great compromise between Mag capacity and power. Recently I started carrying my G27 and M&P 40c in a PJ IWB holster, with a spare Mag. That M&P 40c is a tack driver laser like accurate. 10-8 rear all black sight with the Ameriglo front. Easy comfortable gun to carry.
Although this is NO way to tell how a round performs on a human.
I once shot a NH deer (135lb) and she dropped like a bad habit. Conditions were perfect tho, I was in a tree stand less than 20 yds away. The round hit just below the neck and between shoulder blades. (she was practically directly underneath me) the bullet mushroomed perfectly The gun was a G23 the round was the Winchester 165 grain T-Series. she dropped where she stood never knew what hit her.
Again NO indication of telling how that particuar round would do on a human, BUT that rounds does have some street creds in the LEO community.
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Old 03-13-2014, 16:47   #92
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I am a big fan of the 40cal. I have and often carry my G23 G27 M&P Shield and M&P40c. I think its a great compromise between Mag capacity and power. Recently I started carrying my G27 and M&P 40c in a PJ IWB holster, with a spare Mag.
Although this is NO way to tell how a round performs on a human.
I once shot a NH deer (135lb) and she dropped like a bad habit. Conditions were perfect tho, I was in a tree stand less than 20 yds away. The round hit just below the neck and between shoulder blades. (she was practically directly underneath me) the bullet mushroomed perfectly The gun was a G23 the round was the Winchester 165 grain T-Series. she dropped where she stood never knew what hit her.
Again NO indication of telling how that particuar round would do on a human, BUT that rounds does have some street creds in the LEO community.
Just my 2 cents
I think in that situation, the other popular service calibers would have yielded the same result.
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Old 03-13-2014, 17:31   #93
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I have a theory that the majority of people who dislike .40 are of a certain age range where they already had a lot of experience (and probably a hefty stockpile) of the other calibers. Thus there was no need to change. Its true that if I already had a closet full of 9mm and .45 cal and had been shooting that for many years why would I buy and supply myself with another caliber. I will go out on a limb and possibly put myself under fire for saying this but I think that a lot of folks who are my age (under 30) are the ones who might like the .40 cal the most. Again this is all just a theory and I could be totally wrong. Those of us who got into handguns later on and did research on what caliber we wanted, used the internet to shop, etc. For me the decision to go .40 was made during the ammo shortage. I sold my 9mm pistol that I had at the time because there was never any on the shelf but there was always some sort of .40. That holds true even today. .40 is still more available than 9mm at my local guns stores. Now that things have calmed down I have resumed my 9mm shooting but only in the form of a G26 for deep carry and a conversion barrel for my G23 so that I can train with 9mm. I still carry it loaded with .40 Hornady Critical Defense.
I'm actually of the mindset that I have no need for the .45 cal load. Modern 9mm loads are quite impressive with their expansion. The .40 takes it even further with minimal drop in capacity. I am hard pressed to buy anything in .45 cal. The increased recoil, decreased capacity, and more time between shots doesn't appeal to me.

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I will go out on a limb and possibly put myself under fire for saying this but I think that a lot of folks who are my age (under 30) are the ones who might like the .40 cal the most.
In many cases, that's probably true. For me, I'm a collector and love classic handguns. There sure as hell isn't much collectible or classic in 40S&W and I pretty much own everything that is.

It does nothing for me and it offers nothing that I don't get with 9mm or 45ACP, in my opinion. I see zero reason for it. It could be gone tomorrow and I wouldn't miss it a bit.

Its just one of those rounds that seems to annoy the hell out of me for whatever reason. Its to the point that even most of the pistols chambered for it annoy me.

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old housewives never like the hot young blonde that just moved in either
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old housewives never like the hot young blonde that just moved in either
...especially if she's as dumb as the 40S&W.
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I think in that situation, the other popular service calibers would have yielded the same result.
Possibly, But personally I think the .40 SXT wouuld mushroom/expand larger than the 9mm. It's basic physics, a 165 grain .40cal bullet will expand to a larger size than the 124 grain 9mm.
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I think that a lot of folks who are my age (under 30) are the ones who might like the .40 cal the most. Again this is all just a theory and I could be totally wrong.

Im 45 and .40 cal is my primary load.

The last time I shot, the younger guy next to me was shooting 9 mm.
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Yes sir and in no way was I saying that all younger folks like the 40. And I certainly wasn't trying to offend anyone. It's just a theory I have, especially given its recent introduction compared to other rounds.
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I wouldn't say I hate it, but I see it as an upstart caliber for people who can't decide if the want the power of a .45, or the capacity of a 9mm.
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