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Old 02-24-2014, 18:14   #1
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Global warming/climate change kooks read em and weep!

As of the close of true meteorological winter this upcoming week the twin cities will very likely record its 10th coldest winter ever recorded, with records dating way back into the 1800's!

Eau Claire will be enjoying its 3rd coldest in e same time frame!

St Cloud will chalk up its 4th coldest ever!

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Coldest Meteorological Winters - How Does This Year Rank?

Meteorological winter is from December through February. The following graphs and tables for Eau Claire, St. Cloud and the Twin Cities depict the average temperature for meteorological winter through the period of record, including the top 10 coldest winters. Data for the winter of 2013-2014 is as of February 22nd.

This may end up as the 10th coldest winter in the Twin Cities, the 4th coldest in St. Cloud, and the 3rd coldest in Eau Claire, as compared to records dating back to the late 1800s. This is the coldest winter since 1978-1979 (35 years) in all three locations.
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oh, but you are mistaken, it is proof that the science is settled, you denier!The Okie Corral
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Old 02-24-2014, 18:23   #3
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Without getting into climate change issues...Your data point doesn't prove what you think it does. Statistics account for all data points.

The point is, even if the things you believe turn out to be true, your extrapolation of what a single data point means is wrong.
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Add in two massive snow/ice storms in GA.

We also cannot forget low summer temps last summer.

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Old 02-24-2014, 18:24   #5
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As of the close of true meteorological winter this upcoming week the twin cities will very likely record its 10th coldest winter ever recorded, with records dating way back into the 1800's!

Eau Claire will be enjoying its 3rd coldest in e same time frame!

St Cloud will chalk up its 4th coldest ever!
I don't suppose it occurred to you to check data for other locations, say the western U.S., or Alaska.
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Old 02-24-2014, 18:43   #6
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I don't suppose it occurred to you to check data for other locations, say the western U.S., or Alaska.


Having lived in Fairbanks for the first twelve years of my life I am quite familiar with the weather up that way, as a rule, when Fairbanks is cold, the twin cities is warm and vice versa. Most of the USA and Canada are experiencing their coldest winters in the last 30 + years.


Also, the pack ice continues to "grow" and prove the hysterical climate woe sayers are not ready for prime time.
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Old 02-24-2014, 18:47   #7
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Without getting into climate change issues...Your data point doesn't prove what you think it does. Statistics account for all data points.

The point is, even if the things you believe turn out to be true, your extrapolation of what a single data point means is wrong.


Sure it does Rabbi, it proves beyond all doubt that this is one hell of a cold winter, the coldest in most of the Midwest in 35 years, well on its way to a top ten spot in the last 100 years, and if I may, just as the Farmers almanac foretold.

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Old 02-24-2014, 18:52   #8
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Direwolf, climate change is one of the holy sacraments of modern liberalism. Absolutely nothing you point out to the people who believe in it will convince them otherwise.
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Having lived in Fairbanks for the first twelve years of my life I am quite familiar with the weather up that way, as a rule, when Fairbanks is cold, the twin cities is warm and vice versa. Most of the USA and Canada are experiencing their coldest winters in the last 30 + years.


Also, the pack ice continues to "grow" and prove the hysterical climate woe sayers are not ready for prime time.
You can cherry pick data to "prove" what you want to believe, but it doesn't make it so. What ice pack is growing? Antarctica? Yes. The Arctic, no. Glaciers worldwide? No. How about global ocean temperatures?

I'm merely pointing out the same thing Rabbi did--one data point isn't valid in scientific analysis. I don't pretend to have answers, but I do know a little about scientific methodology.
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Direwolf, climate change is one of the holy sacraments of modern liberalism. Absolutely nothing you point out to the people who believe in it will convince them otherwise.
And denying it is the holy grail of conservatism as practiced on GT. My point is not to let your politics influence your science. We all know Al Gore is a hypocritical jackass, but there's real science at work trying to find answers. Open minds find them, closed minds don't.
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Climate change = Yes, of course , it always has , always will .
Global Warming = Crock of political crap fund raising effort, preying on the minds of those people who would believe whatever a guy in a white schmatta tells them .
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We've been going through a global warming since the end of the ice age. And there is nothing the liberal commie democrats can do about it.
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Without getting into climate change issues...Your data point doesn't prove what you think it does. Statistics account for all data points.

The point is, even if the things you believe turn out to be true, your extrapolation of what a single data point means is wrong.
EVERY one is wrong, we, as people, have only been looking at climate for 200 years...not even a BLIP in the true climatologists time-lines.. an incredibly infitismal portion of time that the Earth has been changing...

WE don't know the average temp of Earth, because it is ALWAYS changing, never been stasis, in flux constantly..

so I ask, what IS the average temp of the Earth ??

NObody knows...not you, not me, and most assuredly not ManBearPig...

BTW, how much of OUR tax money went to the Kings' buddies in solar companies that contribute heavily to the dem-tards ? ? Hundreds of millions, and just a tip of that ice-burg....

I am out...side mostly, in the friggin' weather, yes, the COLDEST weather we have seen in my long life-time....still 30 degrees LOWER than the fake NORMAL....
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And denying it is the holy grail of conservatism as practiced on GT. My point is not to let your politics influence your science. We all know Al Gore is a hypocritical jackass, but there's real science at work trying to find answers. Open minds find them, closed minds don't.


I am not denying anything, OGW. I said in another thread on the same subject that I believed climate change was real. What I DO NOT believe is that it is anything new, nor do I think anything man does can affect it appreciably.


Herein lies the rub with science. If I pay someone enough money to research something, there's a real good chance that the conclusion they come to will ultimately support my premise...especially so if they anticipate that I might pay them to research something else at a later date.


Unfortunately, the scientific community is not immune to political hacksmanship. Wave enough money in someone's face, and they'll find ways to reach the conclusions that you want them to.


Now I realize fully that people who believe in man made climate change can make the same exact claim about scientists who debunk their beliefs that I just made about theirs.


Then it all comes down to a game of 'who do you believe?'
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what I and others on GT believe is that A Gore and his science hacks are getting filthy rich from his settled science. Also, political policy is costing our country billions of dollars and millions of jobs.
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I am not denying anything, OGW. I said in another post that I believed climate change was real. What I DO NOT believe is that it is anything new, nor do I think anything man does can affect it appreciably.

I agree that climate change is not new. There is a lot of controversy within the scientific community as to what, if any, effect man's activities are having.

Herein lies the rub with science. If I pay someone enough money to research something, there's a real good chance that the conclusion they come to will ultimately support my premise...especially so if they anticipate that I might pay them to research something else at a later date.

That has been an issue in all manner of research.

Unfortunately, the scientific community is not immune to political hacksmanship. Wave enough money in someone's face, and they'll find ways to reach the conclusions that you want them to.

There are ethical scientists who are not colored by money. The hard part is separating them from those who are.


Now I realize fully that people who believe in man made climate change can make the same exact claim about scientists who debunk their beliefs that I just made about theirs.


Then it all comes down to a game of 'who do you believe?'

We're back to the open mind thing. It's not easy. From my own point of view, which has not been arrived at with hard data, it would seem to me that in what's essentially a closed system, we can't burn millions of tons of fossil fuels during a relatively short period of time without some effect on the planet's operations. How much effect is open to much debate. Certainly events like volcanic eruptions have an effect, so why wouldn't the activities of man also have some effect? Better minds than mine have been trying long and hard to quantify those effects. They may be minimal, they may be significant; we haven't yet established which.
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I heard there is a new glacier in the Smokies and there is pack ice in N.O. Lol

We will see if this year is record cold on Dec 31. A hot summer could average out the temps.

But they did have a lot of early snow up north this year - usually indicative of a cold US winter.
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I heard there is a new glacier in the Smokies and there is pack ice in N.O. Lol

We will see if this year is record cold on Dec 31. A hot summer could average out the temps.

But they did have a lot of early snow up north this year - usually indicative of a cold US winter.
The frozen Great Lakes will keep us cool this summer.

Sun spot activity was very low last year causing this cold weather.
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And from my own point of view, which also has not been arrived at with hard data, I see absolutely nothing happening which could be called extraordinary.


Yes, we've had a particularly cold winter. But unusually cold winters happen sometimes. I remember January, 1985 vividly. We had several days in a row where temps never got out of the single digits. That's rare for where I live, but it can and does happen from time to time.


I think a big part of the problem is that people's historical perspective tends to start with the day of their birth. There's lots of people out there who weren't even born yet in 1985, so a winter as cold as this one causes them to think that something dramatic has happened when in fact, it hasn't.
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what I and others on GT believe is that A Gore and his science hacks are getting filthy rich from his settled science. Also, political policy is costing our country billions of dollars and millions of jobs.

Did you catch where he said that we were on the verge of another dust bowl??


My question for him is: what caused the one in the 1930's?
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