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Old 02-16-2014, 08:40   #1
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When did 18 wheeler's start becoming 14 wheedler's?

So I ajhave seen them on the road a couple of times with trailers. Now I see them being shipped more and more.

When did the industry move to 14 wheeler tractor / trailer rigs?

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Old 02-16-2014, 08:50   #2
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probably saves on tolls
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Old 02-16-2014, 08:57   #3
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probably saves on tolls
I doubt it. It's the same number of axels...just really fat tires. I wonder if they're using runflats...or if surviving a flat was the reason for double-tired wheels on the rear wheels?
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:06   #4
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dont know timeline, other than recently. main reason most companys use them is increased mpg. the super single tires and aluminum wheel reduce a lot of weight. from personal experience, the SS tires do awesome in the snow and ice. a full set of chains is easier to put on ( no middle rail ) . they are not too bad for running flat. discovered i had gotten a puncture in the last few hours getting to a delivery. had one totally out of air. after dropping the trailer i drove about 15 miles to a TA for a fix. had no issues driving.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:12   #5
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Glad you noticed it. Interesting innovation and it can result in consequential weight savings.
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:20   #6
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Old 02-16-2014, 09:22   #7
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saves weight, but sucks if you lose a tire.

front discharge concrete mixers switched tot these ages ago. saves you from mud jamming between the duals.
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Looks like they wheedled 4 wheels off them things.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:29   #9
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Pete's been offering these since at least 2008. One wider tire is more expensive, but less than buying two. Some trailers are also going to this. Less expensive in the long run and less maintenance.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:31   #10
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These have been around for a while but not the way the industry is going by any stretch.
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Old 02-16-2014, 10:33   #11
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When did 18 wheeler's start becoming 14 wheedler's?

A problem that govt has implemented is however the DEF additive. Nothing but a huge headache with tons of problems and huge service issues costing each truck big money and downtime.

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Old 02-16-2014, 10:34   #12
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First I have seen them was back in 2008........
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I have heard it has more of a footprint than a dual wheel set which distributes weight more and you get a bigger contact patch for traction.
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Looks like they wheedled 4 wheels off them things.
wheedled.... ha ha.... I cant type!

So the tolls are also reduced on these? I thought tolls went by axle count.
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A problem that govt has implemented is however the DEF additive. Nothing but a huge headache with tons of problems and huge service issues costing each truck big money and downtime.
d.e.f. is tame...shall we discuss the entire "regeneration system" idea?

how to turn a peterbilt into a lot marker.

and the 13 letter ****spreaders are already problematic...throw in a regen system, and they are just worthless.
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As AP said it is the advent of the super single tire. Less weight, less rolling friction and strong enough to do the job.

Work with a company designs and makes lots of custom trailers with SS tires, it is a popular custom option. It is an industry trend.
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d.e.f. is tame...shall we discuss the entire "regeneration system" idea?

how to turn a peterbilt into a lot marker.

and the 13 letter ****spreaders are already problematic...throw in a regen system, and they are just worthless.

Def is tame maybe to a guy paying for one truck in their minds. Paying for a fleet is different. The downtime is the problem for business and dispatch because it is frequent. I am with you on all of the other new additions that make things more complicated and less reliable. I am not against the cleaning up of pollution but lets do it with working ideas and not smacking tests and prototypes on our trucks and calling them "systems". Just wait until the trucks get some use on them since the problems are less with the trucks being newer and likely to have less problems with less use. Ps I hear you about the Peterbilt trucks. I bet you could call a Peterbilt owners wife a whore and his truck ugly and get the ass whipping over the truck comment first and foremost.
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:14   #18
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I had some back in 2005 that the guy I was working for at the time got suckered into buying after he was told they would save 1000 lbs and increase mileage.

they may have been around 400 lbs lighter but I had lo pro 22.5's and aluminum wheels inside and out to begin with.

they are terrible in the rain, hydroplane very easily. never ran them in the snow.

at the time only Michelin made them and when you lost one it was the same as losing two high dollar Michelins and those are the highest priced tires for trucks.

we had another truck with them on the trailer and he lost one in the hills east of San Diego and he was stuck there for 8 hours as no one had any in stock to do a road side repair.

boss got rid of them quickly after that.

they may be better now as there are more manufacturers and wider distribution. and they may be OK for trucks that are just local or only on main freeways that can be rescued quickly but I prefer the dual tire system since you can limp a flat a long way to get it fixed faster or even complete your delivery on time.

also you can always pick up a used tire if need be at any tire shop to get you home as opposed to these being pretty difficult to find used
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I remember reading a copy of American Trucker magazine back in the mid 80s, and there was a readers' poll about super singles. The overall result was that drivers didn't like them.
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dont know timeline, other than recently. main reason most companys use them is increased mpg. the super single tires and aluminum wheel reduce a lot of weight. from personal experience, the SS tires do awesome in the snow and ice. a full set of chains is easier to put on ( no middle rail ) . they are not too bad for running flat. discovered i had gotten a puncture in the last few hours getting to a delivery. had one totally out of air. after dropping the trailer i drove about 15 miles to a TA for a fix. had no issues driving.
That is very interesting.
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