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Old 02-17-2014, 01:08   #1
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Oakland PD Fight. 2 Mins W/O BU. Peanut Gallery

This LEO was video'd fighting a man for over two minutes before the first backup unit arrived. Of course, the local citizenry contributed their fair share.


Here's an article from PoliceOne, but you'll have to log in to read it:
http://www.policeone.com/close-quart...or-life-drill/


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Old 02-17-2014, 08:18   #2
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The officer did a great job staying with it. There were a number of times he was in a good position to have ended the struggle, if he had some basic ground fighting training. The officer was noticeably larger than the suspect, and couldn't seem to use that to his advantage on the ground.

The longer a fight goes on, the more the number of hazards multiplies. End it as quickly as possibly with speed, surprise, and violence of action. The officer obviously tried, but didn't seem to have the proper skills.

I think a little training on his part would go a long way.



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Air Strike?

Fuel air bomb?
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:46   #4
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What a terrifyingly long couple minutes. It seemed a lot longer just watching it. At any point, any one of those idiots could have made things much worse. I'm sure there are plenty of reasons they didn't, but if that happened to me and cavalry rolled in like that, every person that had to physically be moved back would get locked up.
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Glad that woman went away in cuffs!
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Old 02-17-2014, 12:34   #6
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Old 02-17-2014, 14:08   #7
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I bet a silent majority wants the pre-Riders OPD attitude to come back.
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Old 02-17-2014, 14:18   #8
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Glad that woman went away in cuffs!


Instigating is still a contributing factor. She has quite a mouth on her.


How can you "talk or reason" with a person that is landing blows on you.


Shows an extreme amount of reluctance on the part of the officer to escalate his force. Also interesting how the longer the fight went, the closer the crowd got to the officer. Much longer and he would be fighting against the crowd also.


Good job to stick with it and win. Sure is "forever" before backup.
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I bet a silent majority wants the pre-Riders OPD attitude to come back.
I bet not. There isn't in much in the way of voters who don't hate the cops in Oakland. They are getting the police department they want.
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+1 for the good guys.
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That was a long 2 minutes from the outside looking in, must have seemed like an eternity for him. Either he was tired or pacing himself, or maybe he was trying to keep the crowd out of it by taking it easy? Afraid to really wail on the guy with nobody backing him up, so he was just trying to tie up the guys arms until help arrived?

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Old 02-17-2014, 16:41   #12
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That was a long 2 minutes from the outside looking in, must have seemed like an eternity for him. Either he was tired or pacing himself, or maybe he was trying to keep the crowd out of it by taking it easy? Afraid to really wail on the guy with nobody backing him up, so he was just trying to tie up the guys arms until help arrived?

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If he knew backup was coming, then maybe he was just trying to keep the status quo until they could get there? It is pretty tough to tell without any context.
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Old 02-17-2014, 17:21   #13
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Instigating is still a contributing factor. She has quite a mouth on her.
I thought I saw her hit an Officer with her handbag.
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I thought I saw her hit an Officer with her handbag.
So did I. I usually don't post here since really don't Have much to contribute but the officer is lucky no one went for his sidearm. Could the officer have used additional methods to restraint the suspect?
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So did I. I usually don't post here since really don't Have much to contribute but the officer is lucky no one went for his sidearm. Could the officer have used additional methods to restraint the suspect?


Honestly I think the officer was playing it cool, I think he knew to keep him subdued enough for back up to arrive, any harsher use of force and he might have stirred up a behive of attacks from those hardworking upstanding citizens :rolleyes:

Very violent forearm full thrusts to the trachea or nose cartilage would have worked nicely.

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An arm bar or joint locks could have also been effective. I've fought with plenty of guys who didn't want to go to jail, and I didn't throw strikes nearly as much as I used soft empty hand control. As much as some of those guys deserve an nice ** whipping, our goal is to subdue and stop their resistance.

I fought a guy who outweighed me by about 100 lbs for 4 1/2 minutes once. I threw everything and the kitchen sink at him, and an arm bar is what finally ended it.


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Hey, wasn't there a thread in here recently in which the OP implied Oakland officers were chicken**** for not rousting the citizenry old school style for flagrant traffic violations and such?

Exhibit A as to why they don't do that.

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It's getting any better out there folks. In fact, I will set forward that it is getting worse rapidly.
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I think the officer was doing his best to hold the guy still while he kept his head up and looking around so he can see the crowd because he wanted to keep his situational awareness. Once the backup came, he went back to business and handled it.

Glad they got it done and took away who needed to be taken away.
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An arm bar or joint locks could have also been effective. I've fought with plenty of guys who didn't want to go to jail, and I didn't throw strikes nearly as much as I used soft empty hand control. As much as some of those guys deserve an nice ** whipping, our goal is to subdue and stop their resistance.

I fought a guy who outweighed me by about 100 lbs for 4 1/2 minutes once. I threw everything and the kitchen sink at him, and an arm bar is what finally ended it.


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