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Old 02-15-2014, 19:16   #21
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Color me a sympathizer then...RW.. I'm not sure you 'get' 'IT'.
Then I call you UnAmerican.

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Old 02-15-2014, 19:19   #22
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Irish pride, black pride, southern pride, etc. Political Correctness allows them to express themselves in ways that the perceived oppressors may not.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:20   #23
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Wow

Rabbi just female mama dog slapped you so hard, I felt it all the way down here in beautiful SC!! That was no earthquake!

Yes, I am from the same state that started it then and may be the best choice to tell our dear leader to shove his socialist dictatorship. Whose side will you be on. I will be an American all the way up until it is decided to dissolve what makes us American. AND, at that point, I will say that we will likely be able to strip that word from whatever nation Obama keeps and use that term for our own selves.

I do not come from southern aristocracy or slave ownership. In fact, much to the opposite. I hate how these threads are made to look at southerners as backwards and racist because we wanted our freedom then. Fast forward to now, and I still would like to have freedom.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:22   #24
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And Lincoln didn't give a rat's ass about slavery. He wanted to maintain Federal control over the states.
Lincoln used the slavery issue to manipulate the French into not supporting the Southern rebels, just like they supported the colonist rebels.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:25   #25
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Observations:

1) the civil war is over--- ended in 1865
2) none of us were here when it was fought
3) if born here, we are all Americans according to the constitution; regardless of whether great, great, great, great, grandpa wore the blue or gray
4) civil war history is a relevant topic in history to study, appreciate, and learn from. Just like all the other major events that have made us what we are.
5) we need to realize the civil war history brings out different emotions from americans than any other war.
6) regardless of where our ancestors stood in the civil war, americans from both sides have since shared foxholes in other wars, probably Americans with ancestry from both sides were victims at Pearl Harbor, 9/11, etc...and Americans have since worked side by side together in industry and other fields to help make our country what it is today.

Isn't it time to quit fighting the civil war? Sure, pass along the history, but why not spare the hatred? I know, some will never give it up and will continue passing it to their children. But it is nice to dream.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:28   #26
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It appears that we have several people who are Confederate Sympathizers on this board. They believe Lincoln was wrong in keeping the nation together.



Isn't it unAmerican to be a Confederate Sympathizer?





For those born in the south, I mean if the Confederates were successful, you wouldn't be an American. If you were lucky, you would be a confederate. If you were unlucky, you could be Mexican or a German or....
if you are born in north america or south america your still a american canadians and mexicans are americans im a citizen of the united states witches is in north america
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:30   #27
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It appears that we have several people who are Confederate Sympathizers on this board. They believe Lincoln was wrong in keeping the nation together.



Isn't it unAmerican to be a Confederate Sympathizer?





For those born in the south, I mean if the Confederates were successful, you wouldn't be an American. If you were lucky, you would be a confederate. If you were unlucky, you could be Mexican or a German or....
The confederate never really considered themselves un-American or anti-American. It's more like they saw America headed down the path that...well, it's still on... and they decided to exercise their right to leave the union. The leaders of the confederacy were American patriots who had served a hell of a lot more than Abe Lincoln, in government and the military. Jefferson Davis had served in the House and Senate and as secretary of war, as well as serving a couple of different times as an Army officer in combat. In fact, he resigned from congress to serve in the Mexican-American war as an infantry officer. There is a good reason our military continues to honor confederate leaders.

Speaking of that road Lincoln took us down - you wouldn't join if your state seceded now? I'd certainly go with Kentucky and, if other states that favored my viewpoint seceded and KY didn't, I'd move there.

Also: sympathizer sounds so wishy-washy. I think of myself more as an "advocate" or "supporter." If I could wear any flag I wanted on my right shoulder, as a soldier, it would be the confederate flag. Unfortunately, the confederate army isn't hiring.

As for the nonsense about being Mexican or German, if the war had not happen, I'd expect that either the 2 sides would have reunited under a constitution with more clear protection for state rule, or the 2 countries would be close allies. In fact, I suspect Mexico might have become the more-southern confederate states.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:33   #28
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It appears that we have several people who are Confederate Sympathizers on this board. They believe Lincoln was wrong in keeping the nation together.



Isn't it unAmerican to be a Confederate Sympathizer?





For those born in the south, I mean if the Confederates were successful, you wouldn't be an American. If you were lucky, you would be a confederate. If you were unlucky, you could be Mexican or a German or....
We would be Baja Americans!

Kinda like Texans are from Baja Oklahoma.

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Old 02-15-2014, 19:34   #29
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the constitution never would have been ratified if are for fathers would have forseen this type of tyranical federalism
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:36   #30
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the constitution never would have been ratified if are for fathers would have forseen this type of tyranical federalism
They did foresee it and the remedy is in the Constitution. They just didn't realize we wouldn't avail ourselves of it before now.

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Old 02-15-2014, 19:38   #31
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Any way you look at it,.....slavery was wrong. The Confederacy was wrong. If those in the south don't like it, pack up and head south of the border.
There you go "I'm going to cry slavery for the sure PC victory" To do that, you have to ignore that union states had slavery during and even after the end of the civil war, while some confederates states had made slavery illegal on their own, before that - yet those slave states still stayed union and those anti-slave states still stayed confederate (Tennessee, for example).

But...but...how can that be, it was bad southern slave states vs. good northern anti-slave states, right?
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:39   #32
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I understand the whole southern pride thing. I lived there.

However the entire culture they are pining for is long gone and even back then was only possible because of the institution of slavery.

They want to relive the myth of the south without acknowledging it was all based on slavery.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:41   #33
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It is not a civil war thread.

It is an I am an American when it suits me and a Confederate when it doesn't, thread.
I was born in America and the confederacy doesn't exist anymore. That is no reason I can't wish it was still around and realize there isn't a confederacy to move to. You don't have to be very smart to figure that out, unless you are just being intentionally dense.
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Old 02-15-2014, 19:44   #34
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My family owned seven buildings in our home town including a pharmacy run by the head of the family. I have one yellowed newpaper clipping of my however many greats grandfather standing on the courthouse steps. It is amazing to me how piercing the eyes of those men were. Pale, staring eyes in the hollowed out faces of old white haired men with beards laying on their chests, almost all in black suits. My ancestor is near the middle in the front row standing on crutches. He was the pharmacist in our town and one of the first to enlist. He came back with his health ruined to find that his wife had been swindled out of everything they owned while he was tending sick and injured soldiers all throughout the South. They saved the house by selling the land near downtown and moving it next to the railroad tracks on a little odd shaped piece of land that was all they could afford. I have been in that house when I was a child and my aunt pointed to the cracks that opened when they moved it. No one in the family ever had the money to have it repaired, from that era on we have been working class and getting by, like many of the people who lost out in that time. Fortunes were won and lost in that time, but usually it was lots of little people losing and a few winning.

I agree with his courage and morality; slavery was an evil that needed to be stamped out. But America paid with its soul to do what the founding fathers lacked the will or courage to do.

I think people are foolish if they think that America would not have become the shallow, selfish, immoral nation we have become if the Civil War had not happened or had ended in a peace between the United and Confederate states. Not gonna happen, no amout of Southern aristocratic nobility would have stopped it. But perhaps in an America where the federal government didn't have the power to tell everyone in every state how to tie their shoes or what they can eat, drink or own, maybe there would have been someplace to go.

If I recall correctly, the American Civil War killed more Americans than all of our other wars combined. It devastated the economy and left hatred and divisions that will never heal. It was fought to end slavery but that was not its cause. It was an economic war that was waged to maintain the economic primacy of the industrial North East.
"Save the Union" was the rallying cry but it would have been more accurate if it had been "For the shareholders".

Lincoln was the man of the hour. He saved the Union and I will give him credit for being a statesman and not intending to punish the South. Which is probably what got him assasinated. But what he did to the existing political power structure on the United States pretty much made it inevitable that we become a popular Democracy rather than a Republic and laid the groundwork for what we have now, a grossly over powered and despotic central government run by. . . wait for it, the same class of people who engineered the Civil War. The same people who send us to war for sugar, or oil. In the name of liberty and human rights of course.
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Well, the states that once made up The Confederacy are the freedom loving states today. The Union, today, contains the most socialistic states, and people, in America.

Maybe there is something to it.
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They did foresee it and the remedy is in the Constitution. They just didn't realize we wouldn't avail ourselves of it before now.

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the remedy is in the constitution they just didnt forsee a house controlled by a gop with no balls
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"Isn't it unAmerican to be a Confederate Sympathizer?"

Isn't it unAmerican to be totally uninformed like you? Isn't it?

Really, don't they have history books where you live?

Google the Hartford Convention of 1814-1815.

Here, www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/256148/Hartford-Convention

It was okay for the New England states to consider secession 50 years before the War Between the States.

Historical sympathizers. Reading is fundamental.
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the remedy is in the constitution they just didnt forsee a house controlled by a gop with no balls
What they didn't foresee was an electorate that resembled this:

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I understand the whole southern pride thing. I lived there.

However the entire culture they are pining for is long gone and even back then was only possible because of the institution of slavery.

They want to relive the myth of the south without acknowledging it was all based on slavery.
And there we have it. HH
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When I was stationed at Ft. Bragg I was driving through Fayetteville when I saw a big ole Ford truck with a huge confederate flag flying from the bed of the truck. That wasn't the strange part. What stood out was that the truck was being driven by three big, overalls wearing, hick looking bearded, black men.
Well, I have read that the confederate Army was the first on the continent to let free black soldiers serve in combat for pay. Not to mention being the most favorable to Jews (the first Jewish U.S. Senator went with the south, where he became secretary of state) and the first to have Native American soldiers, including Brig. gen. Standhope Uwatie.

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Hollywood would like to paint the south as "white supremacists" and try to equate them to modern white supremacists, but it was a lot different, according to history. The attitudes of northerners at the time were at least as racist, if not more so.
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