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Old 02-18-2014, 10:16   #1
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Swiss Airforce Grounded During Hijacking Because It Was Outside Office Hour

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_4804151.html

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Old 02-18-2014, 10:21   #2
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"Thank you for calling the Swiss Air Force. Our office is currently closed. If you wish to stage an air assault or need assistance to repel an air attack, please call back during normal office hours. Thank you, and have a pleasant day."
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:23   #3
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Switzerland has an air force?
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Old 02-18-2014, 10:33   #4
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Switzerland has an air force?
Only during normal business hours.
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You may make sport of their procedures, but when's the last time the Swiss lost a war ? ....

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Old 02-18-2014, 11:00   #6
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All their pilots were busy going down the bobsled run in Sochi

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Old 02-18-2014, 11:05   #7
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You may make sport of their procedures, but when's the last time the Swiss lost a war ? ....

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Swiss AF

Currently operating F18's along with F5s from way back when.

If you think their operations are a bit thin, look up what current German, French and English armed forces are today--from the numbers I saw they looked to be less than 1/2 of what they were doing the CW.

The bottom line seems to be these countries are still riding on our largess for their defensive needs, but on a larger scale than ever. Given our lack of cash to fund our current government needs, you have to wonder our current presence in Europe will end up on the chopping block.
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Old 02-18-2014, 12:30   #9
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There's a big difference between staffing an operational squadron and staffing an operational squadron that stands alerts 24/7. To maintain a section (two planes) of Alert 10 jets, you probably need four more jets and six to eight more pilots/aircrews, not to mention a few dozen more maintainers and ordnance loaders. All that extra cost may not be worth escorting a hijacked jet down to the deck once in a blue moon.
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There's a big difference between staffing an operational squadron and staffing an operational squadron that stands alerts 24/7. To maintain a section (two planes) of Alert 10 jets, you probably need four more jets and six to eight more pilots/aircrews, not to mention a few dozen more maintainers and ordnance loaders. All that extra cost may not be worth escorting a hijacked jet down to the deck once in a blue moon.
Especially when you're surrounded by nominally friendly countries with modern air forces on every side.
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Especially when you're surrounded by nominally friendly countries with modern air forces on every side.
Who also are only open during 'normal business hours' ? ...

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Old 02-18-2014, 18:36   #12
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You may make sport of their procedures, but when's the last time the Swiss lost a war ? ....

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When your foreign policy is to not get up in other peoples' business, you don't have a lot people knocking at your borders to invade or cause you harm............ Holding their money for them don't hurt either.
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Depending upon the approach into GVA, the plane was likely in French airspace. GVA is right on the border.

If people know a little about geography, Geneva and Basel are in walking distance to France and Germany (respectively).

In fact, the Basel airport is in France.

But GVA is right next to France. So, the plane was likely escorted in by French planes. Coming in from Payerne Airbase is harder and then they would likely just stay above Lac Leman (on the Swiss side) anyways. So, why not let the French bring them in from French airspace.
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Old 02-18-2014, 21:54   #14
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With a small, historically neutral country like Switzerland, SAMs are probably a better trade off for round the clock watch...

And what would be the point of bombing the world's banker, anyway?
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:35   #15
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Smart move on the part of the Swiss.

If the Air Force isn't needed, why spend money on it?

There is a learning lesson here.
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There's a big difference between staffing an operational squadron and staffing an operational squadron that stands alerts 24/7. To maintain a section (two planes) of Alert 10 jets, you probably need four more jets and six to eight more pilots/aircrews, not to mention a few dozen more maintainers and ordnance loaders. All that extra cost may not be worth escorting a hijacked jet down to the deck once in a blue moon.
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Especially when you're surrounded by nominally friendly countries with modern air forces on every side.
That mindset is running thin in the US. We'd rather dump money into the security drain than invest it in actual infrastructure maintenance and improvements. I know of a local town that recently lost access to their fire department coverage because the bridge between them has deteriorated so much that their engines can't cross it. They now have to use another department that is nearly 15 minutes further away.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:39   #17
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Wow they get a hour and a half for lunch?
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:01   #18
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Depending upon the approach into GVA, the plane was likely in French airspace. GVA is right on the border.

If people know a little about geography, Geneva and Basel are in walking distance to France and Germany (respectively).

In fact, the Basel airport is in France.

But GVA is right next to France. So, the plane was likely escorted in by French planes. Coming in from Payerne Airbase is harder and then they would likely just stay above Lac Leman (on the Swiss side) anyways. So, why not let the French bring them in from French airspace.
Correct, I have friends that live 5 miles from the Geneva airport. One side of the airport is in France although the main runway is in Switzerland. Swiss are smart, neutral and have everyone's money. Have a higher standard of living than the US.

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Before we make fun of the Swiss, we should remember the stellar performance of our Air Force on 9/11.

Or maybe consider the current scandal with the ICBM crews!
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There's a big difference between staffing an operational squadron and staffing an operational squadron that stands alerts 24/7. To maintain a section (two planes) of Alert 10 jets, you probably need four more jets and six to eight more pilots/aircrews, not to mention a few dozen more maintainers and ordnance loaders. All that extra cost may not be worth escorting a hijacked jet down to the deck once in a blue moon.
But if it saves just one child's life....


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