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Old 02-06-2014, 21:48   #21
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You dont do anything... I have friends that are liberal. It doesnt make them less capable of being a good friend. Friendship is a investment in many things and as long as you get a return on that investment, its not a wasted venture.

I have several friends who are anti gun.. I respect that position to the degree that I do not carry to their home or in the cars but other than that, I tell them to shut up about it. I have had no problems with it nor have I lost any friends over it.
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:53   #22
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:55   #23
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Perhaps continue to treat them with respect and as friends until or unless they stop doing the same for you. Hopefully there is more common ground than disagreement.
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Old 02-06-2014, 22:20   #24
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One on one conversation is where you can really win the heart and mind. Be kind, trustworthy and articulate. Some people are just beyond reasoning, sadly enough.

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Old 02-06-2014, 22:21   #25
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They have given you the choice. Give up our guns or give up their friendship. If me I'd say FU and find new friends.
I didn't really see where they'd left him w/ that ultimatum, just seem to be really pushing him to give up his firearms.

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This was also my first thought while reading that first post,
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Old 02-06-2014, 22:23   #26
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Seriously, it's like any belief or conviction. Which matters more and does one interfere with the other? You're also better off telling people why you believe instead of why they should believe.
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Old 02-06-2014, 22:23   #27
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Way to early to tell if you are a troll. I figure either that, or this conversation with your friends prompted you to join GT. Your name implies that you are a law enforcement officer, but if you were, it would be surprising that your friends were surprised.

We obviously can't tell you what to do. You have to decide if it is worth it to be friends with people that don't respect your decision to be able to defend yourself. I would probably continue to be friends with them, and either not bring it up, or ask them what they would do if someone breaks in their house.

Speaking of that, if all of your guns are unloaded and locked up, if someone does break in, they probably won't do you any good.
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Old 02-06-2014, 22:26   #28
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Smells like BS. But in the chance that it's not, if your friends were truly your friends, they would accept your beliefs. You are not breaking any laws and it is like you stated, your constitutional right.

You have a few options:
- Get new friends who respect you whether or not they agree with you
- Continue current friendships and stop bringing up this subject
- If they continue to bring it up, ask them firmly to stop and let them know that you do expect them to respect your belief just like you respect theirs.

You don't have to justify your reasons to anybody. I've head people tell me that I should get rid of my firearms. My answer is always along the lines of "this subject is not negotiable." Depending on who I am talking to, I may try to help them see my viewpoint and reasoning.

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Old 02-06-2014, 22:48   #29
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Hi,

Apologies if this is posted in the wrong forum section. I looked at the other forum sections, but I couldn't think of a better place to put it.

Here is my problem: I live in Northern Virginia. Virginia is pro-gun, but many people in NoVa are from other states, and aren't comfortable around firearms (including my closest friends).

I have only been a gun owner for less than a year, and when I started buying guns, I didn't think it would be an issue.

In fact, I didn't even mention to my friends that I am a gun owner, since I feel that it is a non-issue.

Recently, I was hanging out with my friends and the issue of guns came up, and I mentioned that I'm a gun owner.

I was really surprised that my friends reacted with concern, as if finding out that I own guns is scary, or frightening.

One of my friends said that she thinks that "no one should be allowed to own guns," and my other friends seem to be frightened of the fact that I own guns. Another of my friends said that only the police should be allowed to have guns.

These are my closest friends, and I really care about them, so I am not going to stop being friends with them. They are also part of my church community, so we spend a lot of time together.

But since finding out that I own guns, one of my friends said he doesn't want to hang out with me unless I get rid of the guns. Some of my other friends haven't said that (at least not yet), but they don't want to hang out at my apartment, since there are guns there (in my gun safe).

I was planning on being room mates with one of these friends, but now I know that he is very uncomfortable around firearms, even if they are locked up.

I don't want to upset my friends, but I also feel that I should be able to own guns, since it is a constitutional right.

But my friends don't see it that way. One of my friends said that he never wants to own a gun, and that I don't need guns either.

I even talked to my pastor about it, and he doesn't like guns either (he said that I shouldn't feel offended, since he wouldn't even trust himself with a firearm).

I have tried explaining to my friends about how gun ownership is an important constitutional right, and how guns are a useful tool for self-defense, but they listen to what I'm saying, and tell me that they still disagree with me.

They are practically appalled at the idea of owning guns for self-defense.

They also seem horrified that I own "more than one gun," and they feel that owning multiple guns is especially concerning.

I have tried mentioning all the pro-gun explanations I can think of (examples of self-defense from the news, "guns don't kill people, people kill people", "guns save lives", etc).

But my friends still disagree with me, and keep telling me that I need to get rid of my guns.

I love my friends, and I don't want my gun ownership to upset them.

But at the same time, I also consider my 2nd Amendment rights to be important. I don't want to sell my guns.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

What should I do?
Ignore those ****** bags. You need a better class of friends any way. Sounds like a good time to adopt the practice of open carry. It may save you a lot of time and heart ache by sorting out your real friends from among a pack of left wing phony liberals.

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Old 02-06-2014, 22:50   #30
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Troll or not, this is EXACTLY how antis think. They would roll over and die pleading with some demon spawn to spare their lives while said spawn cut their gizzards loose with a dull butter knife wrather than defend themselves.

Personally, I can't imagine (much less abide) such a mindset, but I have seen and heard such statements myself. I find the one especially telling. That 'they don't trust themselves with a gun' so why in the name of John Moses Browning would they trust you with one. That's the crux of the matter right there. They don't trust themselves, so no one else can be trusted either, regardless of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I had one (lady online from Austrailia) friend politely ask me to change the subject when I in polite terms told her I refused to be food for some godless vermin. We haven't spoken since and probably won't again through no wish of my own.

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P.S. I once watched an anti gun lady all but turn green with fear when I told her I had an AK. Like I was a terrorist wannabe ready to slaughter everyone is sight. AKs have that effect on people Im told.

Just the pure evil of the darned old things posions the mind...
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Old 02-06-2014, 23:06   #31
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Try to educate them, even offer to tak them shooting. If they don't want to learn, and only complain, then change the subject when they bring it up.
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Old 02-06-2014, 23:10   #32
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Old 02-06-2014, 23:17   #33
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Why in the world should the OP make any effort to educate or appease such a pack of pansies? You don't owe them anything including an explanation. Stop letting them make you feel like you do. If you REALLY still want to be friends, treat like you would any other time a friend says something stupid, just ignore it and go on with what ever conversation you want to have like they never said a thing. Any one who doesn't even trust their self with a gun, sure as heck should never be encouraged to get one or make decisions about them for any one else. Who could know him better than he knows himself and he's labeled himself as irresponsible and not to be trusted concerning firearms. Take his word for it.

Be friends when you can. That's all you need to do. Just let nature take it's course, you don't owe them anything beyond that. It will solve it's self eventually.
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Try to educate them, even offer to tak them shooting. If they don't want to learn, and only complain, then change the subject when they bring it up.
Yea that, or you could just ditch the SOB's and find better friends.
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Yea that, or you could just ditch the SOB's and find better friends.
Oh, the'll ditch him soon enough when he resuses to pander to them.
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If the OP is serious I suggest the AR-7 as a neat somewhat non threatening way to get them into shooting. http://henryrepeating.com/rifle-survival-ar7.cfm Show them basic safety rules and have shoot at targets that provide instant feedback. Steel targets, tin cans or the rolling plastic targets. Don't get all serious about self defense, make it fun. BTW if anyone gives any indications that they can't be trusted with a firearm don't let them get their hands on one of yours.
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Yea that, or you could just ditch the SOB's and find better friends.
Should we ridicule the sheeple or try to win them over to our side? I say ignore the worst of them and try to recruit the the best of them.
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Oh, the'll ditch him soon enough when he resuses to pander to them.
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Should we ridicule the sheeple or try to win them over to our side? I say ignore the worst of them and try to recruit the the best of them.
Have you ever had a true friend? These "real" friends like OP describes aren't "true" friends.
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Since MOST fear of guns comes from a position of ignorance, a little education can be a good thing. And if he opens the eyes of one person, that's one person more than was on our side yesterday.
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