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Old 01-09-2014, 11:07   #21
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I don't see the Arsenal moving unless is priced more in the Glock/M&P/XD/CZ range. I can't imagine it's that much better of a gun to command a significantly higher price tag.
Until the gamers get a hold of it and start winning all the matches because the lower bore axis allows faster follow up shots.

Then all the cool kids will want one.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:26   #22
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I want the R-51, and have been guilty of including Ruger for this exciting new Remington product, as well.

I know less about the Arsenal Strike One. While it looks interesting, I will need to see something it does better than its peers to excite me. There are LOTS of guns that I would like to add (CZ's, S&W, and other "traditional" handguns I don't own... not counting BodyGuards, revolvers, and old, historical pieces... modern polymer and steel "looks like a normal gun" guns!) that would be competing for those dollars in my personal, competitive marketplace. Time will tell on that one.

The gun I want to see is old news. Beretta announced the tiny Pico long ago, and I am still waiting to check that gun out.

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Old 01-09-2014, 11:29   #23
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:33   #24
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When he does lose control maybe lots of us Glock fans will get some of the variety we have wanted for SO long!
By the time that happens we'll all likely be long down the road with other manufacturer's guns by our side.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:34   #25
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Which brings me to my final point: As a self proclaimed Glock fanboi I'm saddened to report that with each passing year of Glock's inability to check the pulse of the consumer I'm an owner of more and more handguns by other manufacturers and becoming less and less of a Glock fanboi. Glock may have the lion's share of the market but their inability to adapt to the markets quickly (or at least at all) will be their eventual demise. Not a demise so much as eradicated from the face of the earth but they won't be the volume seller of handguns unless something changes at the corporate level. Market share is going to competition year after year of them not bothering to offer what it is the buying masses are flocking to in record numbers. It should be no surprise that the conceal carry crowd is growing at quickening rates and if Glock still thinks they're G17 (or even G19 these days) is the perfect carry weapon then they're more out of touch with reality than I thought. Their release of a single-stack .380 (Glock 42) to compete with the likes of the LCP and other 'pocket' 380's tells me they agree with this at least in part. Time to wake up Glock, your competitors are beating you at your own innovation game.


I totally agree with this. I still love my Glocks. I have owned 9 of them and currently have a 19 and 26. They were my carry pistols for years, bigger and smaller. I NEVER thought this would happen, However, I have changed my 2 main carry guns away from Glock. My larger carry gun is now an H&K 45C, and my smaller carry gun is now a Kahr PM9. Although, I still carry my Glocks sometimes. They will never be retired! I would love a "Shieldish" Glock, but Gaston has never cared about what anyone else thought. He won't be around forever, even though he plans to live to 125 years old. When he does lose control maybe lots of us Glock fans will get some of the variety we have wanted for SO long!
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By the time that happens we'll all likely be long down the road with other manufacturer's guns by our side.


Sadly very likely!
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:38   #27
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By the time that happens we'll all likely be long down the road with other manufacturer's guns by our side.
I agree. I'm not brand loyal, so I see no reason to wait for Glock when there are already so many great carry option out there from other manufactures.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:40   #28
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I agree. I'm not brand loyal, so I see no reason to wait for Glock when there are already so many great carry option out there from other manufactures.
It's funny that people called me a fanboi because, at the time, Glock was the best for what I needed. Now-a-days there are other 'bests' and people are coming around to see that I'm loyal to whatever is the best value that fits my needs.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:46   #29
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Both are interesting. I'd beta test the Remington this year, but no way in hell am I going to beta test something from the motherland of customer satisfaction.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:07   #30
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Like many others, the Remington has piqued my interest, and if I can get ahold of one, I will most likely buy it. The Arsenal, on the other hand, really is not my cup of tea, but I can see the benefits of the design.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:36   #31
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posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.
If the company is able to make the gun entirely in the US, offering an aluminum frame and a steel slide with sweeping curves and early 20th century lines ... and sell it for under $400 .... that will be very impressive, indeed.

Reading about the 10 pre-production pistols tested by authors at the range, and how the functioning issues encountered were all able to be resolved with light cleaning & lubrication, I'd like to see some further testing done before I'd have any interest in adding yet another compact 9 to my retirement CCW collection.

If this new pistol is ammo sensitive (power levels and/or bullet shape) or cleanliness/lube sensitive, there are any number of other compact 9's available that are more forgiving of such influences.

Granted, it does have some 1920's & 30's nostalgic eye appeal for folks who enjoy retro-style pistols of yesteryear.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:53   #32
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The problem with Remington is that they are owned by Cerberus, the same corp. that owns and drove Marlin into the ground. As well, go over to the Rem. Forum and you'll find no few want a new Rem. rifle, especially a .22 LR, as the quality is so bad. I have a wait & see approach here.
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:54   #33
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Arsenal decided to weld two 1911 pistols together. Bac, do you have one of those? It makes Glock look skinny.
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The problem with Remington is that they are owned by Cerberus, the same corp. that owns and drove Marlin into the ground. As well, go over to the Rem. Forum and you'll find no few want a new Rem. rifle, especially a .22 LR, as the quality is so bad. I have a wait & see approach here.
Yep. Cerberus destroyed Marlin. All the beautiful old Marlins that were at their old HQ looted by the fatheads. You could not give me a Remington rifle for my own use. The only Remmy I would buy would be an older 700.
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I'm still very happy with Glock as my main handgun platform. I am glad to see a slim 9mm with a decent trigger to give the Shield some competition. The Arsenal also looks interesting, but after the Caracal debacle I'm pretty skeptical. Looks like the Arsenal has a nonstandard, and crappy, rear sight just like the Caracal did. That alone is a deal breaker for me.
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Old 01-10-2014, 06:30   #36
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Held one yesterday....I'm on the list! Not too big, not too small, and an all metal construction...love it
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Definitely too big for pocket carry, but it would fill the void between my P228 and P938.
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The R51.... Sexiness personified!!

Psssssst don't look now, but the Arsenal Strike-Uno is a dressed up, beefed up, priced up Caracal... Look at it's design shape and features.... (Minus the "innovative" barrel link-up function) I owned a Caracal F & C.... Good shooters, but got out during the cash and dash refund offer Caracal offered. If these are not imported in the $400~$550 range.... Fughetta Boutit!!!
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The R51.... Sexiness personified!!

Psssssst don't look now, but the Arsenal Strike-Uno is a dressed up, beefed up, priced up Caracal... Look at it's design shape and features.... (Minus the "innovative" barrel link-up function) I owned a Caracal F & C.... Good shooters, but got out during the cash and dash refund offer Caracal offered. If these are not imported in the $400~$550 range.... Fughetta Boutit!!!
It does look a lot like the Caracal...
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Held one yesterday....I'm on the list! Not too big, not too small, and an all metal construction...love it
Very nice

I look forward to seeing one myself.
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