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Old 12-24-2013, 06:04   #51
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I carry in a regular belt mounted holster, pretty much all the time. My favorite Taylor's motor jacket has BUG pockets, but I rarely use them.
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:13   #52
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I'm waiting for someone to post some go pro footage of them practicing doing drive bys on their motorcycle....lmao

Truth be told all that would have to happen is gunsite or some school to offer a class in it and "everyone" would think it's ok...
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Old 12-24-2013, 09:29   #53
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In the portion of such establishment primarily devoted to the sale and consumption of alcohol.

I just spitballed that one so some of the verbiage may be a little off. But the next time you want to ask me whether I know my state's firearms laws...well...don't.

Also, motorcycles have storage space.

You are very close on the language. You may know the laws, but you are disregarding them...

What part of the Pegasus Lounge is not devoted to the selling of alcohol? I think you would have a difficult time passing the "rational man test" on that.

http://www.pegasusniteclub.com/
http://www.pegasusniteclub.com/index...to-gallery.htm
from their site:
"PEGASUS LOUNGE is a full service liquor bar"

Nice try though.
LOL....

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Old 12-24-2013, 09:56   #54
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Knock it off. Get off your high horse.

We're trying to talk about motorcycle carry. Not the interpretation of some law.
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Old 12-24-2013, 10:08   #55
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Knock it off. Get off your high horse.

We're trying to talk about motorcycle carry. Not the interpretation of some law.

It is relevant because I ride (a lot).

I don't carry when I ride because I know at some point I may stop in for a beer. I will not leave a gun on a bike. There is no safe place to do so. And, there is no private way to take the gun off and move it even if you did.

This guy admitted to going to a bar carrying.

I have no respect for biker BBA walking in a bar with a gun.

It isn't just stupid. It is illegal in Florida.

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Old 12-24-2013, 10:16   #56
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I ride a couple of fast bikes and on either it would have to be a shoulder holster or in the tank bag because I ride fully geared up in a race suit, one or two piece, or a Stitch in the winter. Jeans don't protect a thing so it's full armored leather or the Stitch or I stay home.

Talked to a guy once who carried on his Harley. Carried a 1911. He went down once and landed on the gun. It help shatter his hip or was the cause of it. No thanks.

My local turf is all twisties so I don't worry about it there, it's remote, farm country. When I leave my area for sport touring I have a gun with me in a tank bag but never on my person. We ride hard so leaning all day, and while we all have track time under our belts and each has well over a decade of experience landing on a gun would not be pleasant for the body. I use fully armored race gloves for protection and if you wear something similar you should really try doing some presentations with them. Far from any easy task and I wouldn't recommend it. Motorcycle gloves tend to be thick and precurved, and none of that makes a good firearm glove. For me, I've tried it plenty and it's an AD waiting to happen just trying to fit the glove inside the trigger guard.

Put me in the camp of wanting it only for when I dismount the motorcycle. While riding it just about has no purpose as my hands need to be on the bars until a complete stop. Not to mention riding requires both hands and feet for functionality. I suppose you could bang it in to neutral and use your rear brake to slow while you draw.....but you'd go down almost guaranteed. Instead I'll use the throttle and bail. I've never run from LEO's but if anyone other than LEO was coming after I have no doubt or fear of dropping them, quickly. Not much out there could keep up. Track time has its advantages.
That's exactly where I was coming from with my comment. I ride the same way, 2 fast bikes ATGATT and lots of track time under my belt.

If I'm touring sure, I might have a weapon stored in/on the bike but I don't need or want one strapped to me if I come off.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:11   #57
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That's exactly where I was coming from with my comment. I ride the same way, 2 fast bikes ATGATT and lots of track time under my belt.

If I'm touring sure, I might have a weapon stored in/on the bike but I don't need or want one strapped to me if I come off.
Well all I can say is that there are those of us who have been down. Landing on a firearm is something I'm not going to chance. I take ATGATT very seriously and it's just not possible to strap a firearm to myself with any kind of safety under a suit.
I think those who ATGATT and who are heavily experienced, well it just presents more issues than prevents. But I will say I don't commute anymore and generally don't do any riding around town. Twisties most of the time with a track day here and there.

If someone could design some large and thorough hip armor, large enough to accommodate a G26. It would have to be larger than the firearm itself. Then you could use something like a wilderness safepacker on the outside of the suit. But then you'd still have the problem of a presentation with your throttle hand which isn't advisable and just not realistic.

Like you said, on a sport touring trip I'd want something with me, for PM, when the bikes are parked, but then again I pull mine into the motel room and sleep with it at the foot of the bed

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Old 12-24-2013, 11:15   #58
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It would never occur to me to not have one on. I'm agonizing right now on whether to go from a German sport tourer to a new Yamaha FJR or a 2012 road king with 1500 miles. Maint costs will be dramatically lower long term with the Yamaha, but the RK is sure pretty. Either way, gun stays on me. Not that its a critical need.
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Old 12-24-2013, 11:28   #59
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It would never occur to me to not have one on. I'm agonizing right now on whether to go from a German sport tourer to a new Yamaha FJR or a 2012 road king with 1500 miles. Maint costs will be dramatically lower long term with the Yamaha, but the RK is sure pretty. Either way, gun stays on me. Not that its a critical need.

First, FJR's kicked ass in the Iron Butt Rally this year. Great bike.

But, why do you think long term costs are higher on the Harley.
I've owned japanese and Harley. The Harley has been cheaper.

My next bike will be back to a Japanese sport tourer just because I have a somewhat unique need for one.

Harley has no chain maintence and replacement, or sprocket replacement. No valve adjustments. Very simple to work on. 3 holes for lube and go again.

I do all my own wrenching so expense doesn't drive my decisions, but Harley has been the easiest on upkeep and repairs I have had.


And, many decades ago (late 70s-early 80s) I took a bike over a car on the highway. When you hit the highway in a wreck you have no idea or control over what is happening. I would not want a gun on me. In my wreck, the bike came over with me and ran over me and I never knew it until I got out of the hospital and saw the tire tracks across my chest. Wouldn't have wanted a gun anywhere near that mayhem.

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Old 12-24-2013, 11:41   #60
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With a quality holster, it's not going to make a big difference compared to other factors (vehicles) in a crash. I've seen a guy come out of a crash with the butt worn off his revolver, at least at an angle. No one cared that the duty weapon took the hit instead of his hip. I ride a lot of miles. Over 80-100K, my inexpert non-direct-experience Al-Gore driven research has led me to believe that a japanese bike is less likely to require major repair over that kind of mileage than HD. I don't do anything myself except fluid changes. All I know is that I'm having too many problems out of my BMW, and parts are just too high. Not to mention when small things break, as often as not, the replacement has to come from germany, not from a warehouse the next state over. Thanks for your experiences. Gun and bike.
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Old 12-26-2013, 09:55   #61
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I've done a lot of track miles and schools, and taught motorcycle safety. When I am carrying on a bike, I don't ride at speeds I might otherwise ride at. Not out of fear of crashing, but because I know there is a good possibility I will be dealing with LEO's, and doing warp speed with a concealed handgun probably wouldn't make them happy to deal with me.
As to stopping at bars, I never drink and ride. I never understood why anyone would want to impair themselves and get on a motorcycle. That's about a 50% crash statistic. For that matter, I usually don't ride with people who need to stop at bars. I know from experience, that I'm the one who will have to deal with the aftermath of their choices.
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I've done a lot of track miles and schools, and taught motorcycle safety. When I am carrying on a bike, I don't ride at speeds I might otherwise ride at. Not out of fear of crashing, but because I know there is a good possibility I will be dealing with LEO's, and doing warp speed with a concealed handgun probably wouldn't make them happy to deal with me.
As to stopping at bars, I never drink and ride. I never understood why anyone would want to impair themselves and get on a motorcycle. That's about a 50% crash statistic. For that matter, I usually don't ride with people who need to stop at bars. I know from experience, that I'm the one who will have to deal with the aftermath of their choices.
Stopping for a beer at a bar is a Harley thang, you wouldn't understand.
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I promise never to ride my Harley into a bar while armed.
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Old 12-27-2013, 08:53   #64
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It is relevant because I ride (a lot).

I don't carry when I ride because I know at some point I may stop in for a beer. I will not leave a gun on a bike. There is no safe place to do so. And, there is no private way to take the gun off and move it even if you did.

This guy admitted to going to a bar carrying.

I have no respect for biker BBA walking in a bar with a gun.

It isn't just stupid. It is illegal in Florida.
I didn't admit a thing. I stick my gun under the saddle of my bike and lock it when I can't carry it once I get to my destination. Theres a Florida law that protects that action. Stop looking for an argument, you're not impressing anyone by being a jerk on the internet in an otherwise peaceful thread.

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Lordy, I hope not. You're supposed to stop in a parking space and then walk in!
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Lordy, I hope not. You're supposed to stop in a parking space and then walk in!
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Stopping for a beer at a bar is a Harley thang, you wouldn't understand.
I've stopped for beer on every bike I've ridden. BMW, Suzuki etc. I never blamed the bike I was riding.
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I didn't admit a thing. I stick my gun under the saddle of my bike and lock it when I can't carry it once I get to my destination. Theres a Florida law that protects that action. Stop looking for an argument, you're not impressing anyone by being a jerk on the internet in an otherwise peaceful thread.

You remind me a lot of one of my sons.
I will leave it at that.
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It is relevant because I ride (a lot).

I don't carry when I ride because I know at some point I may stop in for a beer. I will not leave a gun on a bike. There is no safe place to do so. And, there is no private way to take the gun off and move it even if you did.

This guy admitted to going to a bar carrying.

I have no respect for biker BBA walking in a bar with a gun.

It isn't just stupid. It is illegal in Florida.
I have no respect for a biker getting on a bike after drinking.

Personally, I think your decision to drink and ride is much harder to defend than his decision to carry and ride.

Your justification that you might go down and, if that happens, the gun might cause additional injury is tenuous...at best.

You're much more likely to go down after drinking, even one beer, every time you do it. I will agree that not carrying while riding is a good idea if you're gonna drink and ride...

The fact that you have laid a bike down and still choose to drink and ride undermines your judgment in every other thread, IMO.

Bikes and alcohol go together about as well as bikes and ice.
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All I know is that I'm having too many problems out of my BMW, and parts are just too high. Not to mention when small things break, as often as not, the replacement has to come from germany, not from a warehouse the next state over. Thanks for your experiences. Gun and bike.
That sucks. I've got a GSA and have had zero issues out of it. I do my own maintenance though...
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I have no respect for a biker getting on a bike after drinking.

Personally, I think your decision to drink and ride is much harder to defend than his decision to carry and ride.

Your justification that you might go down and, if that happens, the gun might cause additional injury is tenuous...at best.

You're much more likely to go down after drinking, even one beer, every time you do it. I will agree that not carrying while riding is a good idea if you're gonna drink and ride...

The fact that you have laid a bike down and still choose to drink and ride undermines your judgment in every other thread, IMO.

Bikes and alcohol go together about as well as bikes and ice.

I respect that.

When I say a beer, it is a beer. I can't tell you when I had my last hangover.
And, in 45 years of riding I have been down exactly...once.

NOW:

How do you think John Rambo is getting home after leaving the Pegasus lounge and the titty bar he talked about after a night of drinking (with his gun)?
(just food for thought...)
Maybe some of your rightousness is misplaced.

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I respect that.

When I say a beer, it is a beer. I can't tell you when I had my last hangover.
And, in 45 years of riding I have been down exactly...once.

NOW:

How do you think John Rambo is getting home after leaving the Pegasus lounge and the titty bar he talked about after a night of drinking (with his gun)?
(just food for thought...)
Maybe some of your rightousness is misplaced.
Now just who the hell said i was drinking? You cant even get booze at full nude titty bars. Listen, ive had about enough of your bull**** assumptions and arrogance. Quit while youre behind already. Nobody is impressed.

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I've stopped for beer on every bike I've ridden. BMW, Suzuki etc. I never blamed the bike I was riding.
fnfalman hates Harleys. He apparently thinks that was some anti-Harley remark, even if I can't figure out why.
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I am about to buy another motorcycle, my first since I have turned 21 and began carrying, and I was wondering what some of your opinions on carrying while riding are. I am looking at a Honda RC51. That's a sport bike so it's an aggressive, forward leaning position. Right now I carry with a glock 19 in an IWB galco holster. I don't think it will be an issue at all. I was just curious of some experiences you guys have had and if you have any tips.
Carrying it either in or under a tactical vest works well.
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