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Old 12-22-2013, 11:03   #26
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I carry while riding but our seated/riding positions are very different as I ride a Road King. I carry a G19 and I've used either a Fobus paddle holster or a Tagua owb belt holster . Have had no issues with the weapon working loose.


Both holsters are right handed. I've thought of getting a weak (left) side holster but quite frankly my muscle memory probably wouldn't "recognize" it.


For cover I usually wear a leather vest or jacket.


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Old 12-22-2013, 11:17   #27
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When I've carried on my bikes, it's usually been with a strong side IWB and occasionally OWB holster. My Jacket is a Vanson that is a bit longer in the back, and does just fine concealing. I've thought about one of their "traditional" police jackets with the built in firearm breast pocket.

FWIW, I ride a '74 BMW, and a '69 Norton.
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Old 12-22-2013, 14:50   #28
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

Drawing while riding is never going to end well.

So you would need to be stopped for the gun to ave any value - but you need both hands to control a stationary bike (unless you put it in neutral - at which point you have just trapped yourself).

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Old 12-22-2013, 15:21   #29
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

A motorcycle is a method of transportation just like a car. Do you only plan to shoot from your car when you carry while driving?
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Old 12-22-2013, 15:39   #30
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

Drawing while riding is never going to end well.

So you would need to be stopped for the gun to ave any value - but you need both hands to control a stationary bike (unless you put it in neutral - at which point you have just trapped yourself).


Not controversial to me but perhaps not the reason I carry.


I don't carry while on my motorcycle thinking that while I'm moving I'm going to have to draw my pistol. I don't carry in my car thinking that while driving I'm going to have to draw my pistol. Can these situations happen?? Yes. Can a situation such as this be delayed and or avoided. Again yes.


When I get off the bike or out of the car I am armed. I'm not opening a saddlebag and then getting my pistol out, while at the same time trying to stay aware of my surroundings and/or those individuals who may be watching. I'm not reaching into a glove compartment or reaching for a holster because my pistol is already being worn and is on my person. I'm not having to raise my cover garment to holster my pistol thereby telegraphing to someone watching me that "hey that guy just drew a pistol".


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Old 12-22-2013, 16:43   #31
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

Drawing while riding is never going to end well.

So you would need to be stopped for the gun to ave any value - but you need both hands to control a stationary bike (unless you put it in neutral - at which point you have just trapped yourself).


Who said anything about shooting from the bike?

You are using the bike the same way as you use a car- to GET someplace; once you are there, (wherever "there" may be) being armed is just sensible....What are you gonna do, leave your pistol home because you rode your motorcycle?
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Old 12-22-2013, 17:06   #32
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

Drawing while riding is never going to end well.

So you would need to be stopped for the gun to ave any value - but you need both hands to control a stationary bike (unless you put it in neutral - at which point you have just trapped yourself).

10:30PM on a Thursday night on the way to meet my brother at the titty club, I'm at the Wachovia (now Wells Fargo) on Hillsborough Avenue next to the Applebee's. Why do I remember every detail of it?

Because my motorcycle was turned off, kickstand down, and I was at the ATM getting money. Guy came up around the building walking up behind me in the drive-through only ATM lane looking to mug me. It was pretty easy to draw my IWB pistol and let him inspect the barrel. He put his hands up and ran away.

Although, you're right. A bike can get you out of a bad situation. Once I pulled up to a stop sign on the way to a club called The Pegasus Lounce, IIRC, and a crackhead took off running from the sidewalk up to my bike. I nailed it and he missed me by less than 6 feet. However, had he connected, I would've been on the ground next to, potentally under, my bike and he would've been standing over me. Thankful I had my gun that night even though I didn't need it.

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Old 12-22-2013, 17:09   #33
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How's he gonna get "shot in the chest", unless he somehow pulls the trigger? the pistol's not gonna fire unless the trigger gets pulled....
Do you understand what happens when you go sliding down a road with potential hazards at 50+MPH? Lots of ways for that trigger to get snagged. Not saying it would, but it could, with just a bit more likelihood than the guy at Starbucks bumping into you. Which, for that matter, isn't to say that an IWB gun wouldn't get snagged and go off. But I'd rather have it pointing at my ass than my chest.

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Old 12-22-2013, 17:33   #34
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Do you understand what happens when you go sliding down a road with potential hazards at 50+MPH? Lots of ways for that trigger to get snagged. Not saying it would, but it could, with just a bit more likelihood than the guy at Starbucks bumping into you. Which, for that matter, isn't to say that an IWB gun wouldn't get snagged and go off. But I'd rather have it pointing at my ass than my chest.
Actually, I do understand quite a bit about the physics of what occurs during various crashes, to include taking a low-side slideout on a bike; what I don't understand is exactly how a pistol that is in a pocket holster (and anybody who is foolish enough to not use some type of pocket holster if they are carrying in a pocket may want to rethink that concept) in a pocket, especially a front pocket , is going to wind up causing their pistol to discharge.... How is something going to "get in there" during the slide?
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Old 12-22-2013, 17:36   #35
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Actually, I do understand quite a bit about the physics of what occurs during various crashes, to include taking a low-side slideout on a bike; what I don't understand is exactly how a pistol that is in a pocket holster (and anybody who is foolish enough to not use some type of pocket holster if they are carrying in a pocket may want to rethink that concept) in a pocket, especially a front pocket , is going to wind up causing their pistol to discharge.... How is something going to "get in there" during the slide?
If all you do is slide, then the chances are minimal, and you're a very lucky person likely with some very high quality gear. We don't need to go into accident pictures, but people get all kinds of interesting injuries when they take a tumble at speeds. Its just one less thing to worry about, in my book.
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Old 12-22-2013, 17:37   #36
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Actually, I do understand quite a bit about the physics of what occurs during various crashes, to include taking a low-side slideout on a bike; what I don't understand is exactly how a pistol that is in a pocket holster (and anybody who is foolish enough to not use some type of pocket holster if they are carrying in a pocket may want to rethink that concept) in a pocket, especially a front pocket , is going to wind up causing their pistol to discharge.... How is something going to "get in there" during the slide?
Road rash "eats" away the holster, now leaving exposed weapon would be my guess.
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Old 12-22-2013, 17:47   #37
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Road rash "eats" away the holster, now leaving exposed weapon would be my guess.
Right; and now you may or may not have a pistol sliding down the road; not great, and it's gonna be hell on the finish, but I believe the likihood of something getting into the trigger guard at the correct angle and depressing the trigger as the pistol slides along in such a way that it causes the gun to fire is remote in the extreme; the possibility of all of that happening, the pistol going off, and the rider actually being hit is more remote still....

And when you couple that with the fact that almost all the road rash injuries I have ever seen (and I've seen a bunch) were knees, back,, shoulder, hand, side, butt, and hip; I don't think I've ever seen someone with road rash on the front of their thigh where their front pocket is; It's possible, and I am sure it has happened, but again, the likelihood is far less than that of the other wound positions....

As for impact, well, if you can show me how the impact from a crash can cause a pistol that is in a holster to fire, I will be a believer; if you're hitting something that hard, you have other problems....

What I'm saying is, the argument for carrying on an empty chamber for this reason simply doesn't hold much water given the circumstances involved.

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Old 12-22-2013, 18:44   #38
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Dan - who trained you to shoot while riding a motorcycle? Our local PD does not allow motor officers to shoot while riding. Too much liability.

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I am not sure that shooting from the moving bike is taught but shooting from the motor and motor officer shooting courses seem to be more common.

http://www.galvestonpolice.net/training/?p=28
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Old 12-22-2013, 18:47   #39
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When I ride, I use my Miami Classic shoulder holster under a light jacket.

x2 - great holster under a jacket.
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x2 - great holster under a jacket.
That is a great holster; very classy, very functional, very nicely made.
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Old 12-22-2013, 19:32   #41
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This may seem controversial but I really don't see point of carrying while riding.

IMHO a bike will get you out of a bad situation faster than a gun can be drawn.

Drawing while riding is never going to end well.

So you would need to be stopped for the gun to ave any value - but you need both hands to control a stationary bike (unless you put it in neutral - at which point you have just trapped yourself).

So why would you carry a gun when going some place in your car? Makes as much sense as this rant.

Do you think people get on their motorcycle and just ride around non-stop until they get home? That will come as a surprise to the guys who go for rides that last weeks at a time.

And, no, you don't need both hands to control a motorcycle, moving or stationary.
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Old 12-23-2013, 08:17   #42
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I ride a cruiser not a rocket -

I have found the easiest way to carry concealed is with a vest or jacket.

Many have conceal carry pockets built in for just such a need.

Having the gun in a vest conceal pocket also helps to prevent road rash normally on a hip or pelvis area during a slide. I prefer leather but have had excellent mileage with man made jackets with padding.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:38   #43
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When riding my motorrad I carry my LCP in my jkt. pocket. I use an Uncle Mike's pocket holster. I usually carry a spare mag also. Merry Christmas to all at GTand your families.
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:59   #44
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I made a holster that completely filled up the right inside pocket of my mc jacket. Filled up as in a flat rectangular heavy piece of leather with a kydex holster mounted on it for a medium frame auto. Since the leather completely filled the dimensions of the pocket there was no movement at all. I tried X15's and Miami Vice type shoulder rigs but one way or another they always moved back out of reach when riding.
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Old 12-23-2013, 13:12   #45
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My favorite motorcycle handgun is my Keltec P3AT. Weather often changes around here, and the Keltec is cheap enough that I don't have to worry if it gets soaked. Typical riding gear has plenty of pockets for it. The S&W 340 makes a great bike gun too, because it's very durable, weather resistant, and hides pretty much anywhere the Keltec will.
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we didn't try the "Road Rash Test"

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Road rash "eats" away the holster, now leaving exposed weapon would be my guess.
While we didn't try the "Road Rash Test" We did try several others and couldn't break it (until we used TNT).

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Old 12-23-2013, 19:21   #47
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Once I pulled up to a stop sign on the way to a club called The Pegasus Lounce

You do know that carrying in a bar is against the law in Florida.

Don't you?

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Old 12-23-2013, 21:35   #48
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You do know that carrying in a bar is against the law in Florida.

Don't you?
In the portion of such establishment primarily devoted to the sale and consumption of alcohol.

I just spitballed that one so some of the verbiage may be a little off. But the next time you want to ask me whether I know my state's firearms laws...well...don't.

Also, motorcycles have storage space.
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Old 12-23-2013, 23:37   #49
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I ride a couple of fast bikes and on either it would have to be a shoulder holster or in the tank bag because I ride fully geared up in a race suit, one or two piece, or a Stitch in the winter. Jeans don't protect a thing so it's full armored leather or the Stitch or I stay home.

Talked to a guy once who carried on his Harley. Carried a 1911. He went down once and landed on the gun. It help shatter his hip or was the cause of it. No thanks.

My local turf is all twisties so I don't worry about it there, it's remote, farm country. When I leave my area for sport touring I have a gun with me in a tank bag but never on my person. We ride hard so leaning all day, and while we all have track time under our belts and each has well over a decade of experience landing on a gun would not be pleasant for the body. I use fully armored race gloves for protection and if you wear something similar you should really try doing some presentations with them. Far from any easy task and I wouldn't recommend it. Motorcycle gloves tend to be thick and precurved, and none of that makes a good firearm glove. For me, I've tried it plenty and it's an AD waiting to happen just trying to fit the glove inside the trigger guard.

Put me in the camp of wanting it only for when I dismount the motorcycle. While riding it just about has no purpose as my hands need to be on the bars until a complete stop. Not to mention riding requires both hands and feet for functionality. I suppose you could bang it in to neutral and use your rear brake to slow while you draw.....but you'd go down almost guaranteed. Instead I'll use the throttle and bail. I've never run from LEO's but if anyone other than LEO was coming after I have no doubt or fear of dropping them, quickly. Not much out there could keep up. Track time has its advantages.
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Old 12-24-2013, 04:14   #50
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Well said on all points. I was just about to comment that no one has mentioned the danger of coming off and landing on the pistol, especially with a waist level holster against pelvis or spine. I would think front and center or just possibly shoulder holster to be the safest.

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