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Old 12-18-2013, 14:49   #1
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Lead ammo being banned( or so they say)

I just read on Fox News that lead ammunition is in the process of being banned. I guess tree huggers say that it pollutes and that it kills eagles and different types of birds so they want to switch to "green" copper bullets. Copper being more expensive how much do you think a box of pistol ammo is going to be? I hope these idiots don't get their way I'm tired of paying $22 for a box of winchester white box .40. I can only imagine what an all copper bullet would do to prices. Does anyone think this lead bullet ban will happen?
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Old 12-18-2013, 16:06   #2
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I just read on Fox News that lead ammunition is in the process of being banned. I guess tree huggers say that it pollutes and that it kills eagles and different types of birds so they want to switch to "green" copper bullets. Copper being more expensive how much do you think a box of pistol ammo is going to be? I hope these idiots don't get their way I'm tired of paying $22 for a box of winchester white box .40. I can only imagine what an all copper bullet would do to prices. Does anyone think this lead bullet ban will happen?
Already law for hunting in California I'm pretty certain. Saw a show where they knew some immigrants were trying to poach (deer/hog) in central coastal ca. Could not prove it but they got a ticket for having lead ammo if I remember correctly.
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Old 12-18-2013, 16:21   #3
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They are obviously trying a back door approach to gun bans. They can't get the guns, they'll outlaw the ammo.

Next your cache of ammo will be illegal.
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Old 12-18-2013, 17:55   #4
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They are obviously trying a back door approach to gun bans. They can't get the guns, they'll outlaw the ammo.

Next your cache of ammo will be illegal.
The gun-grabbers, in D.C., and locally, are a bunch of real sneaky bastards. Of course, when one avenue to more gun control closes, they just open up another one.

It brings to mind the antics of Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynahan of NY (Hillary's predecessor). The good senator (may his ass rest in peace) wanted to implement MORE gun control, and when he discovered the traditional methods were undoable, he proposed a 1,000% tax on all 9mm ammo. His rationale for taxing 9mm is/was unclear to me, but it was painfully obvious that this was just one more little sneaky trick to make it next to impossible for law-abiding 9mm gun owners to buy ammo and shoot it. How he rationalized that this bill, thankfully never to become law, at least not yet, was going to reduce crime was never fully explained. It was just the product of another warped liberal mind, and a critical piece of the liberal agenda. (I mean, where would a liberal be if he/she didn't fervently advocate more gun-control?). Today, years after the old boy had his ticket punched, you see the same thing. Banning lead for bullets and ammo screws not only the factory ammo purchaser, manufacturer, and distributor, but also the reloader (me) as well. What the hell are we supposed to do, shoot pebbles out of our Glocks? This time we have the tree-huggers to thank; and, of course you know it's FOR THE CHILDREN! HOW THE HELL DOES GUN-CONTROL STOP CRIME??? Somebody PLEASE tell me! How does shooting really expensive copper bullets save the ******* environment? Please tell me.

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I believe copper is around three times the price of lead. The last lead smelter in the United States just closed their doors because they didn't want to pay the cost of compliance with EPA standards. Lead for bullets will have to be increasingly used from old car batteries and imported from other countries.
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Old 12-18-2013, 18:06   #6
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How could an all copper bullet even work??

Copper is distinctly different than lead obviously. A bullet made of copper that is the same size/shape as one made of lead would weigh a lot less. That would mess up the whole operation of auto loading pistols designed with traditional lead bullets and I don't know if they could work well with different weight/size recoil spring etc not to mention the difference in ballistics, etc.

That might be part of the plan - to make existing autoloading firearms obsolete and then ban future sales of.

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Old 12-18-2013, 18:19   #7
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How could an all copper bullet even work??
Seriously?
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The gun-grabbers, in D.C., and locally, are a bunch of real sneaky bastards. Of course, when one avenue to more gun control closes, they just open up another one.

It brings to mind the antics of Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynahan of NY (Hillary's predecessor). The good senator (may his ass rest in peace) wanted to implement MORE gun control, and when he discovered the traditional methods were undoable, he proposed a 1,000% tax on all 9mm ammo. His rationale for taxing 9mm is/was unclear to me, but it was painfully obvious that this was just one more little sneaky trick to make it next to impossible for law-abiding 9mm gun owners to buy ammo and shoot it. How he rationalized that this bill, thankfully never to become law, at least not yet, was going to reduce crime was never fully explained. It was just the product of another warped liberal mind, and a critical piece of the liberal agenda. (I mean, where would a liberal be if he/she didn't fervently advocate more gun-control?). Today, years after the old boy had his ticket punched, you see the same thing. Banning lead for bullets and ammo screws not only the factory ammo purchaser, manufacturer, and distributor, but also the reloader (me) as well. What the hell are we supposed to do, shoot pebbles out of our Glocks? This time we have the tree-huggers to thank; and, of course you know it's FOR THE CHILDREN! HOW THE HELL DOES GUN-CONTROL STOP CRIME??? Somebody PLEASE tell me! How does shooting really expensive copper bullets save the ******* environment? Please tell me.

This country is going to Hell; hell, maybe we're already there.

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How could an all copper bullet even work??

Copper is distinctly different than lead obviously. A bullet made of copper that is the same size/shape as one made of lead would weigh a lot less. That would mess up the whole operation of auto loading pistols designed with traditional lead bullets and I don't know if they could work well with different weight/size recoil spring etc not to mention the difference in ballistics, etc.

That might be part of the plan - to make existing autoloading firearms obsolete and then ban future sales of.

Yep, yep and yep.

Also, IMO - Copper is less lethal than lead-core bullets. A 125 gr. HP copper .401 bullet is the same length as a 180 gr. HP bonded, lead-core brass or copper jacketed bullet. Case space is compromised substantially obviously. It's damn near impossible to find solid copper projectiles (non-HP). If it's heading towards solid copper, 9x23 and 10mm will probably be the future for pistols as well as a huge increase in the number of 357mag revolvers. Cartridges with long for caliber cases will be what survive under such nonsensical laws. If the end of the GAP has not already been sealed, this will do it.

Maybe there is a future in copper/brass jacketed tungsten bullets?
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Old 12-18-2013, 18:45   #9
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They're not being banned.
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Old 12-18-2013, 18:49   #10
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I'll continue to secure my own lead, cast it into what I want and use it as I please.
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Old 12-18-2013, 19:18   #11
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I'll continue to secure my own lead, cast it into what I want and use it as I please.
Yup. Cast your own......
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I still have half a ton of lead shot.

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So how can they be so worried about lead yet they fill our light bulbs with mercury and kill eagles and owls with their wind farms?

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Old 12-18-2013, 21:30   #16
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It isn't being banned, people. I can think of dozens of things to get worked up over, but this isn't one of them.


California's ban has to do specifically with ammunition used for hunting.


I do think the efforts of the environmentalists need to be monitored closely, don't misunderstand me.


Ammo will continue to be manufactured with lead predominately for at least the next several decades.


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Old 12-18-2013, 21:55   #17
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How many times is this false story going to be reposted. Almost all ammo is made from recycled lead. There will be zero impact on the manufacture of ammo.
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How could an all copper bullet even work??

Copper is distinctly different than lead obviously. A bullet made of copper that is the same size/shape as one made of lead would weigh a lot less. That would mess up the whole operation of auto loading pistols designed with traditional lead bullets and I don't know if they could work well with different weight/size recoil spring etc not to mention the difference in ballistics, etc.

That might be part of the plan - to make existing autoloading firearms obsolete and then ban future sales of.
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This. 90% of bullets are produced from recycled lead. Chill out...
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The ban may be the production now, but also the use of the product latter. Think California.
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I just read on Fox News that lead ammunition is in the process of being banned. I guess tree huggers say that it pollutes and that it kills eagles and different types of birds so they want to switch to "green" copper bullets. Copper being more expensive how much do you think a box of pistol ammo is going to be? I hope these idiots don't get their way I'm tired of paying $22 for a box of winchester white box .40. I can only imagine what an all copper bullet would do to prices. Does anyone think this lead bullet ban will happen?


Read the same thing. Read the overly optimistic replies to your thread. I have a very different opinion. In a nutshell, they can't ban the guns so they are going to make what goes in them so expensive you can't afford to shoot them.



Below is my reply to a similar thread...



This started about 10 years ago when lead smelting plants started getting shut down due to ever increasing EPA rules. Read yesterday that the last operating lead plant in the US will close its doors (after 90 years if I recall) on Dec 31st due to govt pressure and such. They tried to be compliant but Obama kept moving the goal line. So with ALL lead being imported, price up, based partly on demand, you do the math.

They know they can't get the guns, but they have already made huge strides towards making ammo so expensive law biding folk can't afford to shoot them. I quit reloading shot gun shells for this reason. Lead shot 25 lb bags are 3-4x what they were and the savings in making your own dwindled. It is obvious what is going on, but if you read this and think I am nuts, I understand. A decade ago I would have agreed with you.

But now I am considering stocking up on about 30-40k bullets for reloading over the next 20-25 years. Lock my price in if you will. I can get 6,000 223 bullets for $450 now. Bet the price will be much higher when China is shipping us lead in cargo ships. That time is coming I am afraid to say. NRA did great at protecting our guns, but not so effective at protecting what goes in them. Not blaming, just an observation.

Still think I am nuts, ask yourself why the US military is phasing out lead bullets starting in 2014. Read up on their green bullet. They will spend 20 million dollars I read doing so, just to offer a non lead bullet. We are taking away our military's dependence on lead in small arms.

Why?


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I believe we get most of our lead offshore from places like China. They’re not bothered by agencies like the EPA.

While environmentalists have advocated good things such as cleaning up rivers, streams and the air, they loose their way when they go after lead in ammo. Lead is simply trivial in terms of threatening other animals. It’s just a cover liberals use to take a swipe at shooting.

I don’t see lead going away anytime soon, too many uses for it. Lead acid batteries are going to be with us for quite a while.

To reiterate, there is no excuse too sleazy for the foaming at the mouth anti gun liberal to embrace. Don
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This. 90% of bullets are produced from recycled lead. Chill out...

Where does recycled lead come from
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