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Old 10-19-2013, 12:21   #1
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454 Casull or 460XVR?

Hey, gang. I'll be purchasing another big bore wheelie in the spring and have decided to go with one of those two.

From anything I have read comparison wise, with heavier weight bullets ( 240gr and up ) they perform very close. The 460 gives a very slight edge in velocity over the 454 Casull, but uses quite a bit more powder to accomplish it.

For example, my current Hornady manual shows 31.5gr of Win 296 pushing a 300gr bullet to 1600fps in the 454 Casull.
Likewise it shows 39.3gr of Win 296 to get the same 300gr bullet up to 1600fps in the 460.

That's quite a difference in necessary powder charges.

Does anyone else not really see a big advantage in the 460?

I am thinking for the price difference between a Ruger SRH 454 Casull and the S&W 460XVR, I could buy a lot of powder!

Thoughts?
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Old 10-19-2013, 13:47   #2
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I have a 460V - can shoot em both through same gun if my heart so desires.
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Old 10-19-2013, 14:06   #3
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That is true, the 460 is more versatile. I just don't know if there's enough difference between the two in loadings with heavier weight bullets to make the 460 worth it.

With 300gr loads they are very, very close.

I've got the next four or five months to think it over.

I am leaning more toward the SRH 454, but S&W revolvers are nicer.

Decisions, decisions.
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Old 10-19-2013, 14:08   #4
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I have a 460V - can shoot em both through same gun if my heart so desires.
How is the muzzle blast with the shorter barrel of the 460V?
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Old 10-19-2013, 15:56   #5
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Old 10-19-2013, 16:35   #6
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The 460 has some serious diminishing returns in it length compared to the 454. i really dont think the extra length is worth it.
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Old 10-19-2013, 16:50   #7
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The 460 has some serious diminishing returns in it length compared to the 454. i really dont think the extra length is worth it.
That's kind of what I am thinking as well. The 460 S&W really shines with 200gr bullets for long distance shooting. And even with 240gr bullets, the 460 is still faster than the 454...but not much. And when you get up into 300gr bullets and heavier, they are pretty much even for all intents and purposes.

I wish S&W would make a run of 454 Casulls on their X Frame!
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Not a hunter, just love big bore revolvers with a lot of power!
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Old 10-19-2013, 17:30   #9
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Old 10-19-2013, 20:16   #10
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for me the Casull makes more sense in the Ruger, it a great and efficient round in a very solid gun. I have had to many timing issues with S&W 29s and 629s to trust them with a 460. if the same thing happened to a 460 that happened to a few S&W .44 mags I owned I wouldn't survive.
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I've had good experiences with Ruger .454 Casulls. If you're just buying one to plink with and have a big blast with at the range, get the .454. If I were you, for pure FUN and BLAST factor, I'd consider the Ruger Redhawk Alaskan. I've fired one many times with Magtech 260gr. loads, and it's a...well, blast!

I LOVE the .454; I've got a LSI Puma 16" carbine chambered in the caliber, and it shoots like a dream. I plan to take my first pig with it sometime in the next few years.
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Old 10-19-2013, 22:35   #12
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I have a 460V - can shoot em both through same gun if my heart so desires.
So with a 460 you can shoot : 454, 45 colt, and .410?

With a 454 you can shoot: 45 colt and .410?

Looks like I'd go with 460.
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Old 10-20-2013, 00:11   #13
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So with a 460 you can shoot : 454, 45 colt, and .410?

With a 454 you can shoot: 45 colt and .410?

Looks like I'd go with 460.
No. MOST .454s shoot only .454 and .45 Colt. However, there is only one gun in known existence that shoots all three, and it's a gigantic revolver sold through Taurus; the model number/type I'm too lazy to go track down.

Besides that, no: .410 cannot be shot through revolvers chambered for .454 Casull.
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No. MOST .454s shoot only .454 and .45 Colt. However, there is only one gun in known existence that shoots all three, and it's a gigantic revolver sold through Taurus; the model number/type I'm too lazy to go track down.

Besides that, no: .410 cannot be shot through revolvers chambered for .454 Casull.
That would be the Raging Judge Magnum. 45/.410/454 casull. I've been trying to find 1 in SST for 6 months with no luck. :(

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Old 10-20-2013, 09:30   #15
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I'm partial to Rugers heavy revolvers for durability. S&W lists its 460 with almost carbine length barrels. Since this gun is for giggles and grins, maybe the longer S&W barrels will provide you different perspectives / experiences in powerful revolvers in a range environment. Also consider who would want to buy your 460/454 gun when you move on and want to sell for the next toy (if your money supply is unlimited the preceding does not apply)?

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Old 10-20-2013, 13:38   #16
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Of those two, definitely the 454 for me. The 460 XVR is just odd to me, it's a big bore revolver that they (S&W) want to turn into a 200yd mini (but no really so mini) rifle. Big bore handguns shine using BIG, HEAVY hardcast slugs and moderate velocity. So to me the 460 XVR is nothing more than trying to sell velocity and I doubt there's anything living the 460 XVR can take that the 454 couldn't take just as easily...with less powder.

The Ruger SRH 454 is a fine revolver and very accurate to boot, not that whatever S&W version of the 460 XVR isn't, I just really don't care much for S&W at all here lately. Plus I just think those extra long cylinders just look wrong. With the SRH, recoil really isn't that bad at all, not nearly what it's made out to be IMHO. I used to have a SRH 454, but for around here (Kentucky), there isn't anything a warm loaded .45 Colt won't kill just as dead, so my Ruger Bisley covers anything I need a gun to cover.

As a general rule of thumb, if you want more power, focus on going up in caliber and weight and not velocity. I'm a gigantic fan of the .45 overall, and while it probably makes the best all around caliber for big bore revolvers, if you want real big look into the .475's and .500's. A BFR isn't that expensive (compared to a FA) and after all, it's in the best platform for the big bore, a single action!
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:00   #17
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Not a hunter, just love big bore revolvers with a lot of power!
Then you should get the 460. Or get some real power and get the 500 mag.
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Then you should get the 460. Or get some real power and get the 500 mag.
Hey, creophus. I've actually got a 500 S&W. Mine has the 6-1/2" barrel. I was just interested in adding a heavy 45 caliber revolver to the collection.

I am still on the fence about this, but I am leaning more toward the Ruger SRH 454. My thinking is that for the difference in price between the SRH and the S&W 460XVR, I can buy a couple eight pound containers of Win 296.

I 've got a few months to think about it, and I'll probably change my mind a half dozen times between now and then...but I am leaning SRH.
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Hey, creophus. I've actually got a 500 S&W. Mine has the 6-1/2" barrel. I was just interested in adding a heavy 45 caliber revolver to the collection.

I am still on the fence about this, but I am leaning more toward the Ruger SRH 454. My thinking is that for the difference in price between the SRH and the S&W 460XVR, I can buy a couple eight pound containers of Win 296.

I 've got a few months to think about it, and I'll probably change my mind a half dozen times between now and then...but I am leaning SRH.
Then you're no stranger to the BIG magnum scene. I don't know if you've fired a 460, but it's MUCH milder than the 500 on the recoil in. Enjoy whatever you decide to get.
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Old 11-02-2013, 17:25   #20
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Just realized something that I overlooked before. The 460XVR uses large rifle primers. That would be one less new component to keep up with, as the 500 Mag also uses large rifle primers.

So now I am leaning 460XVR again.

Decisions, decisions...
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