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Old 10-30-2013, 13:53   #26
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If you think the symptoms that cause a person to need to take psych meds are bad, the symptoms that one suffers when they stop taking the meds are much worse.

Even just depressed housewife on a SSRI, quit taking them and a whole new set of symptoms appears.

That said, I don't think that throwing pills at mental problems is a surefire approach to fix the problems, and for many people medication causes more problems than it cures.
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Old 10-30-2013, 13:56   #27
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Until humans understand there are dangerously deficient humans and that life isn't special we will have these problems. Every one of these school and theater shooting idiots should have been dead a long time ago.
I am pretty sure that lanza and every other mass murderer firmly believed that life isn't special. For how that belief works out on a national level one needs only to study Germany under the Nazi's.

Eliminating problem people was their specialty.
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Old 10-30-2013, 15:54   #28
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I am pretty sure that lanza and every other mass murderer firmly believed that life isn't special. For how that belief works out on a national level one needs only to study Germany under the Nazi's.

Eliminating problem people was their specialty.
Nice try. The Nazi's eliminated lots of people who weren't mentally deficient or deranged.
This discussion should be about people who can't function without being loaded with drugs. If they don't take them they are very dangerous to all those around them.
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Nice try. The Nazi's eliminated lots of people who weren't mentally deficient or deranged.
This discussion should be about people who can't function without being loaded with drugs. If they don't take them they are very dangerous to all those around them.
Which did Nazi Germany start killing first?

The answer of course is the physically and mentally deficient. That is how it starts and history tells us where it progresses to.

Your belief that because there exists the potential for some of a particular group to be dangerous it is ok to deprive all them of even basic human rights can just as easily progress to, since some gun owners have proven to be dangerous maybe it would be best to eliminate them. We can just classify them as dangerous mental defectives.

It's easy enough to find plenty of posts just on this site and this forum by professed gun owners reflecting rampant paranoia bordering on the delusional and hostility and threats (or fantasies) of violence.
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Old 10-30-2013, 16:49   #30
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Maybe because the founding fathers brought God into first. They were clear that the govt. They created was only sufficient for a moral and religious people.

But then you're so much smarter than them aren't you?
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Old 10-30-2013, 17:26   #31
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Maybe because the founding fathers brought God into first. They were clear that the govt. They created was only sufficient for a moral and religious people.

But then you're so much smarter than them aren't you?
Awesome post - right on target.
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Old 10-30-2013, 17:44   #32
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Some people are just pure evil. They have no respect for human life, not even their own.

I'm convinced that today's society is creating these people by the bus load every day.

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I have no doubt our current society facilitates alot of the problems but I believe some are just born evil.

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People like Lanza are born, not made. To blame society is simply passing the buck. HH
I agree - one clue is that some of these people have siblings who do not turn our nearly as bad.
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Until humans understand there are dangerously deficient humans and that life isn't special we will have these problems. Every one of these school and theater shooting idiots should have been dead a long time ago.
I agree there are some among us who we ought to be able to admit should not be among us. We can debate whether to incarcerate them or sentence then to death but we ought to be able to agree they should never walk among us again.
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Nice try. The Nazi's eliminated lots of people who weren't mentally deficient or deranged.
This discussion should be about people who can't function without being loaded with drugs. If they don't take them they are very dangerous to all those around them.
The argument could be made that had the mentally deranged murderers been purges from Nazi Germany, what happened wouldnt have happened.

So, would we call Mengele insane? Did they eliminate him?
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How about dirtbag was mentally ill and NOT USING his medication? I would guess something of that nature to be very possible.

Severe mental illness patients sometimes just go cold turkey on their meds because they don't like how the meds make them feel. I really wish the mental institutions could be brought back in some form. There are people that do not belong in jail, but are to dangerous to be on their own also.
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The problem was never that Lanza was 'on something' when he shot those kids. The problem is that Lanza had a long history of mental illness and obviously went off of his meds. A paranoid schizophrenic or severe manic depressive that suddenly goes off his/her meds can be every bit as dangerous and unstable as any drug-crazed addict under the influence.
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Old 10-30-2013, 18:24   #35
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I agree there are some among us who we ought to be able to admit should not be among us. We can debate whether to incarcerate them or sentence then to death but we ought to be able to agree they should never walk among us again.
Are we talking about society as a whole or just GlockTalk?


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Nice try. The Nazi's eliminated lots of people who weren't mentally deficient or deranged.
This discussion should be about people who can't function without being loaded with drugs. If they don't take them they are very dangerous to all those around them.
As already pointed out, Nazi Germany's programs to purify society started with the mental and physical handicapped. The phrase " life unworthy of live" (in German: "Lebensunwertes Leben") was a very real Nazi slogan. Adolf Hitler saw no place for the mentally and physically disabled in his vision of a "racially pure" Germany.

This was all began before the Nazi ever considered mass killing of Jews. Once the Nazi got comfortable with the idea of mass killings, the killing Jews and others was a natural next step.

You gotta know your history, son.
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Does it really matter if he was taking meds or not? The guy was a nutcase either way and had no place in society. He should have been locked up at the least.
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What about those who killed innocents for their God?
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Maybe because the founding fathers brought God into first. They were clear that the govt. They created was only sufficient for a moral and religious people.

But then you're so much smarter than them aren't you?
If the Founding Fathers meant America to be a theocracy, then why did they draft up and passed the First Amendment?
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But this doesn't fit my monological belief system. Now I have to make up another conspiracy theory to support the old one.
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If the Founding Fathers meant America to be a theocracy, then why did they draft up and passed the First Amendment?
Who said anything about the founding fathers wanted a theocracy? That is precisely what they did not want. They also did not want God banished from the public square.

There is a reason they stressed the importance of morality and religious belief. Both stress self restraint by the individual rather than a "because I can" mentality. Which they warned would lead to anarchy and ultimately tyranny.
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50mg of thorazine at bedtime the night before and we would have never heard of Sandy Hook.
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[QUOTE=Dragoon44;20727009]Are we talking about society as a whole or just GlockTalk?





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I am reading a book about a male registered nurse who was a total nutbag and killed hundreds of his patients by injecting them with prescription meds.
In the end, you can't do anything about these types of people. Maybe their dog, maybe the voices in their heads, maybe what they perceive to be the injustices done to them make them do what they do. They will kill no matter what, with whatever means available.
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Well lets just let all of them lead thier lives as they see fit. We wouldn't want to do anything to curtail their right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness. If several innocents get killed in their persuits, well that is the price we pay for being free.
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Well lets just let all of them lead thier lives as they see fit. We wouldn't want to do anything to curtail their right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness. If several innocents get killed in their persuits, well that is the price we pay for being free.
I am sure that others would say the same about some of your habits.
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Well lets just let all of them lead thier lives as they see fit. We wouldn't want to do anything to curtail their right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness. If several innocents get killed in their persuits, well that is the price we pay for being free.
Isn't that basically the anti gun argument? Innocents are being killed. If just one of them would be saved by restricting the right to own guns it would be worth it.
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Eric could start a new forum "GT Survivor", every week a poster would be voted out of existence.
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Isn't that basically the anti gun argument? Innocents are being killed. If just one of them would be saved by restricting the right to own guns it would be worth it.
No it is just the opposite. If there is no control then everybody is free to do as they please.
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