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Old 11-01-2013, 06:50   #1
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Guy "Helps" Cops by Firing at Suspect

http://www.wtoc.com/story/23841509/p...ont-be-charged

Summary: Random guy sees shoplifter fleeing, police in pursuit, sees shoplifter reach into his pocket, fires at the shoplifter.

The police interviewed him and decided NOT to charge him.

I imagine in some jurisdictions this would be taken more seriously and is probably illegal.

As a CC'er, I would NEVER intervene with a firearm when cops are in pursuit (barring the suspect attacking me). I personally feel an extra unknown gun (unknown to the cops) in the mix is just asking for trouble, and understandably so bullets in my direction. To me, CC is for others' and my immediate protection, when the professionals show up I become a bystander unless asked otherwise.

FWIW, GA does not require a class before CC.

Aside from stay away from Walmart, what would you do?
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:59   #2
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:09   #3
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I would not intervene under almost all circumstances. About the only way I MIGHT get in involved is if a single officer was pinned down and I was in a position to both engage the shooter and communicate with the officer.
(ETA: and the officer accepted the offer to help)

I am not drawing a weapon unless I can somehow let the officer know I am a good guy. The chances of that happening are beyond slim though.

I'm like you. My CCW is to protect me and my loved ones. If someone else benefits from me doing that then that is a bonus for them.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:13   #4
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I would not intervene under almost all circumstances. About the only way I MIGHT get in involved is if a single officer was pinned down and I was in a position to both engage the shooter and communicate with the officer.

I am not drawing a weapon unless I can somehow let the officer know I am a good guy. The chances of that happening are beyond slim though.

I'm like you. My CCW is to protect me and my loved ones. If someone else benefits from me doing that then that is a bonus for them.
Very good mindset on this topic.........couldn't have said it any better.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:27   #5
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He might have helped more if he actually hit the suspect. As it was he could have been shot himself, officers thinking they were being fired upon.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:33   #6
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It's a great way to get yourself shot by a cop in my opinion.

How in the hell would he know who you were, unless, as previously mentioned, you had some way to personally communicate with him?
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:52   #7
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The only way I might do that is if I knew the BG had the drop on the officers, was about to open fire on them and I knew I was in a better position to take him out than they were. Highly unlikely situation.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:59   #8
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If that happened in the People's Republic of New York there is no doubt that the guy would have been arrested and charged with anything and everything the DA could think of.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:02   #9
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:10   #10
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If that happened in the People's Republic of New York there is no doubt that the guy would have been arrested and charged with anything and everything the DA could think of.
I'm not a fan of NY law but if they arrested him for firing at a fleeing shoplifter, I'd be all for them prosecuting him.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:20   #11
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:30   #12
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I would not intervene under almost all circumstances. About the only way I MIGHT get in involved is if a single officer was pinned down and I was in a position to both engage the shooter and communicate with the officer.

I am not drawing a weapon unless I can somehow let the officer know I am a good guy. The chances of that happening are beyond slim though.

I'm like you. My CCW is to protect me and my loved ones. If someone else benefits from me doing that then that is a bonus for them.
That's also my feelings as well.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:34   #13
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Lots of states he'd be fried in. I guess he was shooting in self-defense. He thought the guy was drawing a weapon?

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Old 11-01-2013, 09:42   #14
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I've seen 12 yr olds write better than that "journalist."

Details and facts are slim. I think you'd be charged almost anywhere in the country if you did what was described.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:44   #15
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I would not intervene under almost all circumstances. About the only way I MIGHT get in involved is if a single officer was pinned down and I was in a position to both engage the shooter and communicate with the officer.

I am not drawing a weapon unless I can somehow let the officer know I am a good guy. The chances of that happening are beyond slim though.

I'm like you. My CCW is to protect me and my loved ones. If someone else benefits from me doing that then that is a bonus for them.
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If that happened in the People's Republic of New York there is no doubt that the guy would have been arrested and charged with anything and everything the DA could think of.
Hold for expert GT members who will cite chapter and verse of local code for explanation why they are right and you are wrong.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:09   #16
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The CCW holder needs to be arrested and go to jail when convicted.

He broke the rules, plain and simple.

If we are not to talk to the police, it must be a felony to help them!
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Idiot. I cannot imagine why he would not have been arrested.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:36   #18
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:38   #19
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Yikes;

While I admire this fellow's civic-mindedness, I cannot help but think that this was a situation in which soooooo many things could have gone horribly wrong from this guy's actions.....
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:41   #20
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Not something I think I would do with the details given but he definitely sounds within the law, in Georgia you are within the law if the suspect is in the commission of a felony. Story stated felony shoplifting so it's all good.


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Old 11-01-2013, 10:43   #21
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:47   #22
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As a CCer on my own I know I should leave it to the police to do their jobs in a firefight. They don't need an extra factor getting involved, so I'll avoid involving myself if possible. That said if I come under the suspect's fire as well, I'm certainly going to return fire.

In my job there is the possibility that I may be asked to assist to some degree, but it's highly unlikely that this will be in a capacity of firing on a suspect, and more likely I'd be asked to help get bystanders to safety.

Of course there's no knowing every possible scenario. I suppose there's some situation out there where it would be prudent to fire on a suspect who's already engaged with law enforcement, but it would have to be a rather extreme scenario.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:55   #23
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Not something I think I would do with the details given but he definitely sounds within the law, in Georgia you are within the law if the suspect is in the commission of a felony. Story stated felony shoplifting so it's all good.
TX has a similar law IIRC. I always viewed the purpose of that as giving you some legal protection to come to others' aid. With the police around, I'd still let them handle it.
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I won't help anyone but immediate family.....that's it.

Everyone else....well.....blame it on Virginia's stupid laws.

Michigan, on the other hand, allows one to use deadly force to defend another person. VA? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!
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Nope, I'd stay out of that mess unless the bad guy was armed and posed a threat to my family or me.
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