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Old 11-02-2013, 11:15   #226
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So far he's skipped those questions asking about that...
Oh... He's answered it, whether he's chosen to do so directly or not.

I think we are all clear on the subject.


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Old 11-02-2013, 11:18   #227
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I just take pause when I read sixteen rounds fired.

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issu...mo-on-the-job/

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Gramins had discharged 33 rounds. Four remained in his magazine.
Did you take pause reading that?

Did you know Officer Gramins hit the suspect 17 times with .45ACP rounds?
Did you know Officer Gramins put .45 ACP rounds into the suspects heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney?
Did you know Officer Gramins put three hits of .45 ACP to the suspects head/face?
Did you know that after being shot 17 times the suspect still showed vital signs when EMS arrived on scene?

What was it you were saying about people "dropping like a sack of tots" after two shots?

With all of your "knowledge, education, and experience", do you think that Officer Gramins should have fired twice and stopped shooting?


Your ignorance is evident. Your lack of respect for the position LEOs are put in is sad. Especially for someone who claims to have been at a police academy, and despite your claims otherwise, you ARE here to "stir the pot." That is obvious. I don't know why. But until you prove otherwise, nobody will believe you.



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As someone posted earlier, the case law is grounded in what a reasonable OFFICER on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that POLICE OFFICERS are often forced to make split-second decision.

That "reasonableness" standard is NOT based on what a reasonable PERSON (you) would find reasonable. But rather, what a reasonable OFFICER (not you) would find reasonable.

So your comments (especially since you aren't a reasonable Officer), are moot. What you find "reasonable" or what makes you "take pause" in this case has no bearing on the legality of the officer's actions.

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Old 11-02-2013, 11:36   #228
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That "reasonableness" standard is NOT based on what a reasonable PERSON (you) would find reasonable. But rather, what a reasonable OFFICER (not you) would find reasonable.
This, I think, is giving far more credit than is due in this case.
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:45   #229
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http://m.universityherald.com/articl...64-old-man.htm

That article reads like assembly instructions, originally written in Chinese and translated into English in the Philippines. That's a "college" newspaper, right?
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Old 11-02-2013, 11:54   #230
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That article reads like assembly instructions, originally written in Chinese and translated into English in the Philippines. That's a "college" newspaper, right?


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As the officer approached the vehicle and asked the man for his driver's license and registration, Genda is alleged to have pulled a handgun, instigating the officer to fire several shots at him.

They can't even get the facts straight. The gun didn't come out on first approach. It came out AFTER initiating the stop, AFTER he ran the plate, and AFTER initial contact where the officer got a bogus SSN from the driver. Based on what the officer is saying("The SSN you gave me comes back to a dead guy"), the bodycam video doesn't start until after all of that has happened and the officer is asking him to get out of his car.


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Old 11-02-2013, 12:21   #231
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Oh... He's answered it, whether he's chosen to do so directly or not.

I think we are all clear on the subject.


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I am talking about trying to get these guys to testify in court when one of them messes up big time.
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Old 11-02-2013, 21:40   #232
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From another thread...
Russ, you ole detective. You really are the best at "Gt Detective" that I have seen. Make sure you turn your clocks back this evening.
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Old 11-02-2013, 21:46   #233
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http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issu...mo-on-the-job/

Did you take pause reading that?

Did you know Officer Gramins hit the suspect 17 times with .45ACP rounds?
Did you know Officer Gramins put .45 ACP rounds into the suspects heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney?
Did you know Officer Gramins put three hits of .45 ACP to the suspects head/face?
Did you know that after being shot 17 times the suspect still showed vital signs when EMS arrived on scene?

What was it you were saying about people "dropping like a sack of tots" after two shots?

With all of your "knowledge, education, and experience", do you think that Officer Gramins should have fired twice and stopped shooting?


Your ignorance is evident. Your lack of respect for the position LEOs are put in is sad. Especially for someone who claims to have been at a police academy, and despite your claims otherwise, you ARE here to "stir the pot." That is obvious. I don't know why. But until you prove otherwise, nobody will believe you.



Oh, and a note on Graham vs. Connor:


As someone posted earlier, the case law is grounded in what a reasonable OFFICER on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that POLICE OFFICERS are often forced to make split-second decision.

That "reasonableness" standard is NOT based on what a reasonable PERSON (you) would find reasonable. But rather, what a reasonable OFFICER (not you) would find reasonable.

So your comments (especially since you aren't a reasonable Officer), are moot. What you find "reasonable" or what makes you "take pause" in this case has no bearing on the legality of the officer's actions.
I read about that shooting right after it happened. I think if he had gone with the 9mm initially it may have ended earlier than it did but when you look at how short of a timespan it happened it was not long at all.

I shot a man in his ass and he did fall like a "tater tot". Not everyone will stop that easily as shown by these events as described above because the person can either be on drugs or nuts etc. I was one of six on top of a greened out dude one night and it was like holding a tiger by the tail.
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I read about that shooting right after it happened. I think if he had gone with the 9mm initially it may have ended earlier than it did but when you look at how short of a timespan it happened it was not long at all.

I shot a man in his ass and he did fall like a "tater tot". Not everyone will stop that easily as shown by these events as described above because the person can either be on drugs or nuts etc. I was one of six on top of a greened out dude one night and it was like holding a tiger by the tail.
This begs the question, how did you 'shoot the man in his ass'?

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This begs the question, how did you 'shoot the man in his ass'?

For the love of all that is holy, I hope he doesn't actually answer the question. It could easily go so horribly wrong.........
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This begs the question, how did you 'shoot the man in his ass'?

You really wish to hear more of his gun store commando bull **** stories? He's obviously a troll who is full of **** and just trying to get someone, anyone, to pay attention to him.

What a complete d-o-u-c-h-e.
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You really wish to hear more of his gun store commando bull **** stories? He's obviously a troll who is full of **** and just trying to get someone, anyone, to pay attention to him.

What a complete d-o-u-c-h-e.
I'm not convinced that a firearm even came into play.
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I doubt seriously that he was ever a cop. Probably spent his entire career driving an ice cream truck.
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Just as I suspected. Here he is: Sno Kone Joe:

http://www.timesunion.com/local/arti...in-4479911.php
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This begs the question, how did you 'shoot the man in his ass'?

Man was facing me with a gun in his hand and turned to run when mine came out..as he quickly turned I fired without aiming. Hit him in the right butt. Literally went down like a "sack of taters". Not a very big time event and kind of embarrassing.
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I doubt seriously that he was ever a cop. Probably spent his entire career driving an ice cream truck.
"Good Humor" man. I am the milk man too.
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"Good Humor" man. I am the milk man too.
You're a jackass, and you need to go somewhere else.
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You really wish to hear more of his gun store commando bull **** stories? He's obviously a troll who is full of **** and just trying to get someone, anyone, to pay attention to him.

What a complete d-o-u-c-h-e.
I don't go to gun stores much at all. If I want to hear moaning and groaning and whining about the work I just go to the donut shop. I love donuts.
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JuneyBooney is just here looking for attention.

He can be described by the term "attention whore," if you will.
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This begs the question, how did you 'shoot the man in his ass'?

Aren't you supposed to aim center of ass?

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Juney, straight and to the point:

Were you ever a LEO?

Are you a LEO now?

Answer those two questions. YES/NO

That's is all. You've been dodging the question for 4 pages. I already know the answer, but I just want to see you ignore this one too and answer some totally unrelated question out there.
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