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Old 10-28-2013, 17:43   #101
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Looks like someone crushed a vw bug a little bit.
Except it has a long hood to accommodate all that motor.

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Old 10-28-2013, 17:55   #102
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I would not classify the M-roadster coupe as a "hot hatch". It is a 2 seat sports car.

I think a defining characteristics of a hot hatch is seating for 4 (or 5), small exterior, rear hatch with folding seats to accommodate cargo and of "zippy".

The m-roadster is less of a hot hatch than a 911 Targa is....

This is NOT a hot hatch even though there are "4 seats" and a hatch back...

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Old 10-28-2013, 17:58   #103
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Car threads annoy me. I start browsing the interwebz for new cars...

But this one motivate to replace fuel lines this weekend...
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Old 10-28-2013, 18:05   #104
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You seem to know a lot about BMWs, do you drive one?

I might consider driving a BMW if they made a pickup, I can't fit all my gear in a hot hatch. Maybe something like this.
I've driven a few them, also some experience with VWs.

That's the one off M3 Ute, they ran that thing around the 'Ring a few times, they announced it as an April Fools joke a few years back: http://wot.motortrend.com/april-fool...#axzz2j43mK3VY

If you need more room then the hot hatch offers, the X1 is an option, still has the great hydraulic steering if you go with awd model. Still doesn't have a lot of space in the back, but if you fold down the seats it's not bad. Bonus is, it's the cheapest BMW available in the US.
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Old 10-28-2013, 18:09   #105
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For anyone looking for a cool, economical hatchback, I highly recommend the Chevy Sonic. It beat out everything else I was looking at.
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Old 10-28-2013, 20:00   #106
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I would not classify the M-roadster coupe as a "hot hatch". It is a 2 seat sports car.

I think a defining characteristics of a hot hatch is seating for 4 (or 5), small exterior, rear hatch with folding seats to accommodate cargo and of "zippy".

The m-roadster is less of a hot hatch than a 911 Targa is....

This is NOT a hot hatch even though there are "4 seats" and a hatch back...

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The witness is being hostile and uncooperative. C'mon Dana, the BMW MCoupe has a big-ass hatch and it's hot.

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Whatever the Targa is, it's not a hatchback.

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Old 10-28-2013, 20:04   #107
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If you need more room then the hot hatch offers, the X1 is an option, still has the great hydraulic steering if you go with awd model. Still doesn't have a lot of space in the back, but if you fold down the seats it's not bad. Bonus is, it's the cheapest BMW available in the US.
Test drove a X1. Very nice, good power great handling. A little pricey compared to GTI's, Focus ST's, etc. It is in a different class than those but it just didn't have a lot more to offer, at least for our needs, aside from a little more ground clearance, AWD option and the luxury brand. If I lived in an area where an all wheel drive car was needed the X1 would've definitely considered.
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Old 10-28-2013, 21:13   #108
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The witness is being hostile and uncooperative. C'mon Dana, the BMW MCoupe has a big-ass hatch and it's hot.
It needs a turbo. All cars need turbos.
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If I was going to buy a pre-owned hot hatch, it would be a low mileage '98-'02 BMW MCoupe.

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BMW reintroduced the MCoupe for model years 2006-2008, but the car was not near as funky.

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The first gen M Coupe has always been a favorite of mine. Just something about it. Looks like it'd be blast to zip around in. And you don't see them very often.
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Old 10-30-2013, 14:43   #110
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Hot hatches are for people who want hot hatches. No matter what your favorite fan boy love is, if person wants a HH.. well that's what they want.

3rd Gti. Had a R32 also (Mk V) Loved it. Got totalled by drunk driver. While parked. At church. 300 feet from the road. Uphill. Through a cemetary.

Before buying this one, (after the untimely demise of "Thumper") we looked hard at the Focus, the ST wasn't quite out yet, but driving the regular versions, didn't like the fit at all. Now that the ST is out we have driven it, and like the GTi better. Will most undoubtedly get the new R32.

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Old 10-31-2013, 07:36   #111
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another vote for the Yaris. some of the models mentioned are great cars in many ways but not within the OP's limitations I think.

I'm 6'1 220 and plenty of headroom and room in general in my little Yaris. Average 36.5 mpg with mixed driving, 40-43 on extended highway trips.

Handles like a go-cart, road hugging 106 hp go-cart!

And it was the cheapest car on the Toyota lot.
Agree on the Yaris, I'be got a 2012. 37 mpg with a 5 speed. It's so light, you outrun everyone from a light and it does 75 all day on the Interstate.
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Old 10-31-2013, 10:34   #112
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buick verano turbo tuned on e85 400hp crank 450tq crank

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LOL, no matter how many times it gets mentioned, a Yaris is most definitely NOT a hot hatch. A GTI had more power in 1975
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Old 10-31-2013, 12:47   #114
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Agree on the Yaris, I'be got a 2012. 37 mpg with a 5 speed. It's so light, you outrun everyone from a light and it does 75 all day on the Interstate.
It out runs everyone?

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Agree on the Yaris, I'be got a 2012. 37 mpg with a 5 speed. It's so light, you outrun everyone from a light and it does 75 all day on the Interstate.
Nobody else is racing you, you aren't outrunning them, they just aren't trying.

If you like your car, neat, that's all that matters.
But a 10 second 0-60 is old dog, with a broken leg, slow.

Congrats on getting better mileage than the EPA estimates, that's exceptionally rare.
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Agree on the Yaris, I'be got a 2012. 37 mpg with a 5 speed. It's so light, you outrun everyone from a light and it does 75 all day on the Interstate.
Maybe it's just that no one wants to be seen racing against a Yaris.
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VW R-32

they're pretty kick ass
My wife has an '06 TT, 3.2 Quatro with the DSG. I believe it's the same chassis as the R32, fun little car.
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The witness is being hostile and uncooperative. C'mon Dana, the BMW MCoupe has a big-ass hatch and it's hot.
The witness is always hostile and uncooperative...
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The Opel Astra OPC is what I would define as the hot hatch version.

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I don't think that American's love the idea of Hot Hatches as much as England and Europe. The most exciting HH's always seem to come from the other side of the pond.
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I don't think that American's love the idea of Hot Hatches as much as England and Europe. The most exciting HH's always seem to come from the other side of the pond.
Based on many of the replies, many American's don't even have a clue what a HH is.
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I don't think that American's love the idea of Hot Hatches as much as England and Europe. The most exciting HH's always seem to come from the other side of the pond.
There are reasons.

1) Fuel is cheap here.

Do you think Mr Blue Collar with a vette wants to pay $9/gallon to feed it keeping in mind that most driving isn't highway so they don't get to take advantage of the tall overdrive on the highway?

2) Vehicle taxes are a combination (depending upon country in Europe) of a displacement tax, C02 emissions tax, and HP tax. Taxes are also MUCH higher in Europe for cars. The displacement taxes are also not linear.

So, do you want to pay taxes on a 6.2L or a 3.8L?

3) Most Europeans don't own a garage, let alone a two or three car garage. Parking, if you live in a city, is very difficult and/or very expensive. This means many families have one car. Some have two. But it is very rare to have more than 2.

This is why people buy one car and they try and get one that "does everything". Hatchbacks and wagons far outweigh any other vehicle style.

4) Parking spaces are small. A small hatch, if you have to go into a city is much better than a larger car.

So what happens, if the HH is a performance car that works for them.

Once you step up into the sports car range, the demographics are much different than the American buying a sports car. Typically, you have either very young buying very cheap sports cars, it is a second car for the family but a daily driver, or people who aren't worried if they can spend $140K for a vette or $210K for a 911.
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Carbs would crack and new ones were not cheap! Back axel was out of alignment and I could only get about 12k miles out of a tire set. There were many other problems and the only car that made me cry as it had a knack of breaking down at the point the very farthest from a garage.
My Omni had the transmission replaced twice in the first 200 miles. Total pos.
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