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Old 10-25-2013, 17:13   #51
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I will go with demographics.

90% of Corvette owners are mature, not young idiots driving like D-bags trying to prove something
Actually, as far as "sports cars" go, I see more "old boy racers" driving vettes than about anything.
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Old 10-25-2013, 17:48   #52
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Actually, as far as "sports cars" go, I see more "old boy racers" driving vettes than about anything.
Around here, the d-bags that act like they are doing a time trial on public streets are usually driving BMW's and Subarus. 20 somethings with more money than brains.
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Old 10-25-2013, 17:50   #53
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Dude. It's on the autobahn.
You can drive fast without doing like a D-bag trying to cause a wreck.
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Old 10-25-2013, 19:12   #54
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I will go with demographics.

90% of Corvette owners are mature, not young idiots driving like D-bags trying to prove something
GM is doing great deals on the Vettes. You get a year's worth of Viagra free with every purchase.
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Old 10-25-2013, 19:26   #55
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Dayum! That's awesome. I've never tried it, but I hear bullfu**ers (Red Bull and Viagra) are the bomb!

Throw in a Stingray and ......
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Old 10-25-2013, 20:29   #56
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I will go with demographics.

90% of Corvette owners are mature, not young idiots driving like D-bags trying to prove something
Answered it before I could. Thanks. Hah.

Generally young kids who still live with mommy and daddy drive souped up grocery getters because they watched too much fast and furious instead of trying to figure out ways to make more money to buy a real sports car.
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Old 10-25-2013, 20:35   #57
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Answered it before I could. Thanks. Hah.

Generally young kids who still live with mommy and daddy drive souped up grocery getters because they watched too much fast and furious instead of trying to figure out ways to make more money to buy a real sports car.
So how isl living mommy and daddy's basement since you arent driving a F458 Italia?? As you said, you should figure out way to make more money to buy a real sports car if you werent living in mommy's basement.
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Old 10-26-2013, 02:00   #58
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The snob runs thick with this one.

Too bad that "real sports cars" is slower around the ring than a POS corvette.

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Old 10-26-2013, 08:33   #59
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The snob runs thick with this one.

Too bad that "real sports cars" is slower around the ring than a POS corvette.
I find a 7:32 for a car magazine (autobild) driven 458.

First vette I find by a journalist is a ZR1 at 7:38.

GM test driver in a z06: 7:42. Independant tested z06, 7:49.

BUt maybe you werent talking about my comment and were talking about the vette driver saying people couldnt afford a real sports car...
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I've heard good things about the Mazdaspeed 3, though I'm fortunately at the point in life where buying a two door car with a letter slot trunk has minimal impact. Kind of debating between the BRZ and the MX-5.


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yeah me too the biggest knock on those was the amount of torque steer I think they cleared that up somehow(some management system???)
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:22   #61
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Probably get flamed for this but take a look at the Gen IV Camaro's with LS1, 1999-2002. A little old but you can get a nice one, all stock, with around 50K miles for less than you pay for a new econobox. 6 speed is preferred and you get a real T-56, something you cant even get in a new GT Mustang.

The look is dated but performance is good for the money. Mine averages 26 mpg in daily commute. Have put over 100,000 miles on it since purchased, so far only have to invest in a water pump and tires.

For low to mid 20K range you can pick up a C5 ZO6. Most of these are garage queens and in great shape. Again a lot of bang for the buck.

For high 20's you might be able to score a low option new Mustang GT - drive one of these before you write it off - fantastic car.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:32   #62
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Probably get flamed for this but take a look at the Gen IV Camaro's with LS1, 1999-2002. A little old but you can get a nice one, all stock, with around 50K miles for less than you pay for a new econobox. 6 speed is preferred and you get a real T-56, something you cant even get in a new GT Mustang.

The look is dated but performance is good for the money. Mine averages 26 mpg in daily commute. Have put over 100,000 miles on it since purchased, so far only have to invest in a water pump and tires.

For low to mid 20K range you can pick up a C5 ZO6. Most of these are garage queens and in great shape. Again a lot of bang for the buck.

For high 20's you might be able to score a low option new Mustang GT - drive one of these before you write it off - fantastic car.
You are missing the point.

The "hot hatch" and the 2+2 coupe (and sports cars) are different markets with different buyers. You cant put someone in the back of the GenIV camaro for 2 hours.

People use the hot hatches as daily drivers that can hold more than one passenger in comfort, get decent mileage, all weather vehicles, have room in the back to haul stuff, and are still fun to drive.

It is a completely different market.
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Old 10-26-2013, 09:48   #63
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Obviously never heard a good Boxer.

The 800HP Subaru STi - YouTube

Z06 vs 450hp STi - YouTube

I've only got 270 AWHP, but with no lag and massive suspension travel it's a super fun car to drive every day.

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Old 10-26-2013, 10:19   #64
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I find a 7:32 for a car magazine (autobild) driven 458.

First vette I find by a journalist is a ZR1 at 7:38.

GM test driver in a z06: 7:42. Independant tested z06, 7:49.

BUt maybe you werent talking about my comment and were talking about the vette driver saying people couldnt afford a real sports car...
Whatever dude.
This has gone as far off the hot hatch topic as it could.

http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.ph...&Itemid=300055

http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/
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You are missing the point.

The "hot hatch" and the 2+2 coupe (and sports cars) are different markets with different buyers. You cant put someone in the back of the GenIV camaro for 2 hours.

People use the hot hatches as daily drivers that can hold more than one passenger in comfort, get decent mileage, all weather vehicles, have room in the back to haul stuff, and are still fun to drive.

It is a completely different market.
To be fair, you couldn't stick me in the back seat of a hot hatch for 2 hours, either....
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Old 10-26-2013, 15:51   #66
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VW R-32

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By the numbers, yes. I drove one, was actually considering buying it, but even at stock power levels the torque steer is pretty horrific. I guess you could get used to it, but why, when there are so many other options out there.
That's interesting; I didn't sense any torque steer at all in the all-wheel drive Golf R32.

Volkswagen is getting serious about horsepower in the "R" cars - the new one, based on the seventh-gen Golf, will have 296 HP/280 ft lbs torque.

...the first Golf R32 produced 237 horsepower, and the one that followed made 247 hp. The outgoing third-gen model offered 261, which means the latest Golf R, with its turbocharged 2.0-liter TSI four-cylinder engine now producing 296 hp, has received the biggest bump in power by far. In fact, the 36-hp bump is more than the R-line has seen in its first three generations combined.

That engine also makes 280 foot-pounds of torque, which can be carved up by either a six-speed manual or dual clutch transmission. As before, a Haldex all-wheel-drive system sends power where its needed most among the four contact patches.


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Old 10-26-2013, 16:30   #67
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And VW is willing to sell a two door hatchback in North America.
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Old 10-26-2013, 17:17   #68
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People use the hot hatches as daily drivers that can hold more than one passenger in comfort, get decent mileage, all weather vehicles, have room in the back to haul stuff, and are still fun to drive.

It is a completely different market.
Exactly the reasons I decided on my Focus ST.
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Old 10-26-2013, 18:39   #69
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Exactly the reasons I decided on my Focus ST.
Those are bad reasons.

Everyone knows you should have bought a corvette and then another car as a daily driver...didn't you read the thread?

Oh, BTW, do you live in your parents basement?
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I"ve had 3 Dodge Omni's, 2 of which were turbo. Keep in mind the 1986 Omni GLH-S did 0-60 at around 6.5 seconds and the quarter mile at around 14.7 seconds. Doesn't sound really fast by today's standards but FYI the 1986 Mustang GT ran 14.7 in the quarter as well.

Along with the Dodge cars I've had a integra, talon awd, and GTI VR6 which would be considered "economical". Currently I have 2 hatchbacks a 99 Saab 9-3 SE (200hp) and a 2009 Porsche Cayman S, obviously I wouldn't consider the Saab a "hot hatch" and the Cayman is not "economical". However, hatchbacks are my favorite body style for their versatility and I've had 10 hatchbacks out of the 12 cars I've owned.

My favorite "hot hatch" was the GTI VR6, the VR6 engine is awesome and in the hatchback it's a blast to drive. Hopefully when the Saab has served its purpose I can get another VR6.
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Those are bad reasons.

Everyone knows you should have bought a corvette and then another car as a daily driver...didn't you read the thread?

Oh, BTW, do you live in your parents basement?
No, but my girl's mom lives in our "basement"...is that close enough?
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To be fair, you couldn't stick me in the back seat of a hot hatch for 2 hours, either....
There's plenty of room back there, you'd be fine:

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So guys, what "hot hatch" is better than a VW Golf R with all-wheel drive and 296 hp?

I had to step away from the convo for a little bit - my dance card is filling up. I had an invitation to a 160th SOAR regimental ball tonight which I had to balance against a 7:00 AM sim period in the morning...and you guys, of course.

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Forget the Golf R, give me the M135i xDrive.

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Forget the Golf R, give me the M135i xDrive.

0-62mph in the M135i xDrive 5.1 seconds
0-62mph in the VW golf R w/ 4motion 5.3 seconds

difference in price is $7200


and if we're going to compare cars that aren't yet available in the states, lets include the Mercedes A45 AMG
it's about $7500 more than the M135i too
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